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Congratulations Miguel Oliveira winning the MotoGP Styria, he is also entitled to bring home a luxury BMW type M4 2021. I think Oliveira was lucky at the last lap, in last corner Miller and Espargaro were slightly wide and out of the track while fighting. Oliveira came on the inside and finished first, Miller and Espargaro in second and third. This result is not far from my prediction that Ducati, KTM which has great power on the straight track will dominate the race this time.
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I never have seen a thing like this, Viniales broken is break and his moto has smashed into the wall at 200 kph!

The driver jumped over the moto avoiding the wall, red flag, and restart of the race. The driver is ok.

Astonishing.




Source pic: https://twitter.com/Libero_official/status/1297513010961973249
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That's what i love about motoGP, Dach weekend a other driver and manufacture can win or stand at Polposition.



The first 9 driver between 0.3 sec 👌, should Formula1 also think about "concession points"??

This is because in MotoGP the skills of the riders are more emphasized than the skills of F1 drivers.This is the main difference and that is why MotoGP is better to watch on TV as there is a lot of overtaking usually in MotoGP and partly I believe this is because also the tiredness can be feel more for the rider during a MotoGP race than a F1 driver which is seated in the vehicle and enjoys the race.In MotoGP also the danger is way bigger and also the adrenaline.
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That's what i love about motoGP, this weekend a other driver and manufacture can win or stand at Polposition.



The first 9 driver between 0.3 sec 👌, should Formula1 also think about "concession points"??
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Williams F1 has been sold... The end of an ERA.

Yeah about the party mode, guess what Mercedes and Honda cried about it (the 2 motors with the biggest gain) and they delayed by 1 GP. Roll Eyes

They still said in the official announcement that the headquarters will be in UK where they are and they will continue to race under the same name Williams.I agree partly with this decision as Williams was struggling from quite some time now and no green light was seen in their latest developments of the few last years so probably they got really bored to get this decision which of course sadness us all.

@coinlocket$ this is good news for the sport because with new owners in place Williams will finally become competitive, and more competition is always welcome in this sport. @swogerino yea you’re right but at the end of the day I’m really happy to see new owners in place, because they’ll splash cash and make Williams great again.
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Williams F1 has been sold... The end of an ERA.

Yeah about the party mode, guess what Mercedes and Honda cried about it (the 2 motors with the biggest gain) and they delayed by 1 GP. Roll Eyes

They still said in the official announcement that the headquarters will be in UK where they are and they will continue to race under the same name Williams.I agree partly with this decision as Williams was struggling from quite some time now and no green light was seen in their latest developments of the few last years so probably they got really bored to get this decision which of course sadness us all.
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Williams F1 has been sold... The end of an ERA.

Yeah about the party mode, guess what Mercedes and Honda cried about it (the 2 motors with the biggest gain) and they delayed by 1 GP. Roll Eyes

Yes the F1 it is becoming more and more commercial and there is simply no space or simply too little money for individualists.

For Honda i think it's not the big Problem, the engine is good and have power but for a LEDs time Honda have not so many extra power than Mercedes, so it's possible that Mercedes not so dominant at the Qualifying.
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Williams F1 has been sold... The end of an ERA.

Yeah about the party mode, guess what Mercedes and Honda cried about it (the 2 motors with the biggest gain) and they delayed by 1 GP. Roll Eyes
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Was almost done for Vettel to Aston Martin (aka Racing Poing aka the pink Mercedes) instead of Perez but Perez brings a lot of money to the team with his sponsors and now the deal may not happen.
Keep also in mind Perez after this year will have 2 more years in his contract.

Also the Party Mode of the engine will may delay by 1 week from Belgium to Monza.,

Where did you found that info about the party mode. Haven't read it anywhere else yet.

Herr you can read about the van of the "Party" mod.

F1 engine mode restriction postponed until Italian GP

Also the tradition team Williams are sold to private investment firm.

Williams F1 team sold to private investment firm

Tomorrow for the second MotoGP Rave at austria the qualifying, Yamaha, Ducati or KTM 🤔?

Results from FP2

Styria MotoGP: Espargaro sets FP2 pace for KTM



Thanks. The news also came along on gpupdate which I use for the f1 news.
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Was almost done for Vettel to Aston Martin (aka Racing Poing aka the pink Mercedes) instead of Perez but Perez brings a lot of money to the team with his sponsors and now the deal may not happen.
Keep also in mind Perez after this year will have 2 more years in his contract.

Also the Party Mode of the engine will may delay by 1 week from Belgium to Monza.,

Where did you found that info about the party mode. Haven't read it anywhere else yet.

Herr you can read about the van of the "Party" mod.

F1 engine mode restriction postponed until Italian GP

Also the tradition team Williams are sold to private investment firm.

Williams F1 team sold to private investment firm

Tomorrow for the second MotoGP Rave at austria the qualifying, Yamaha, Ducati or KTM 🤔?

Results from FP2

Styria MotoGP: Espargaro sets FP2 pace for KTM

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Was almost done for Vettel to Aston Martin (aka Racing Poing aka the pink Mercedes) instead of Perez but Perez brings a lot of money to the team with his sponsors and now the deal may not happen.
Keep also in mind Perez after this year will have 2 more years in his contract.

Also the Party Mode of the engine will may delay by 1 week from Belgium to Monza.,

Where did you found that info about the party mode. Haven't read it anywhere else yet.
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Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

Albon isn't performing particularly well. But he is also to an extent made to look bad because Verstappen is really performing extremely well in a car that is nowhere near the quality of the Mercedes.
I would suspect that most drivers would look poor if they have Verstappen as a team-mate. Similar to how Bottas doesn't look great, because we can only compare him against Hamilton.

You got me wrong.
I am not comparing Albon with Max, but Albon with Gasly. Last season we saw that Redbull switched those two drivers and Albon was way better than Gasly , it was like they made the correct decision.
However, this season Albon is not any better than Gasly and I think that he do not deserve to be the second driver in RBR.

I think the same, that Albon, Gasly and Kwjat have the same Level, good but not at the Level than Max.

Was almost done for Vettel to Aston Martin (aka Racing Poing aka the pink Mercedes) instead of Perez but Perez brings a lot of money to the team with his sponsors and now the deal may not happen.
Keep also in mind Perez after this year will have 2 more years in his contract.

Also the Party Mode of the engine will may delay by 1 week from Belgium to Monza.,

I've heard rumors that Stroll's own son has to give way because of Vettel?

Totto Wolf think, that the "Party mod" ban can make Mercedes faster at race? I think the more power from Mercedes is enought to win also without Party mod.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-engine-mode-ban-wolff/4860037/

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Was almost done for Vettel to Aston Martin (aka Racing Poing aka the pink Mercedes) instead of Perez but Perez brings a lot of money to the team with his sponsors and now the deal may not happen.
Keep also in mind Perez after this year will have 2 more years in his contract.

Also the Party Mode of the engine will may delay by 1 week from Belgium to Monza.,
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Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

Albon isn't performing particularly well. But he is also to an extent made to look bad because Verstappen is really performing extremely well in a car that is nowhere near the quality of the Mercedes.
I would suspect that most drivers would look poor if they have Verstappen as a team-mate. Similar to how Bottas doesn't look great, because we can only compare him against Hamilton.

You got me wrong.
I am not comparing Albon with Max, but Albon with Gasly. Last season we saw that Redbull switched those two drivers and Albon was way better than Gasly , it was like they made the correct decision.
However, this season Albon is not any better than Gasly and I think that he do not deserve to be the second driver in RBR.
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Fuel refills were part of the races in the past.
Just remember that they stopped it in order to make the sport more competitive. How is it possible for them to take a decision now to recall them back?
It is just about the money that teams invest in their cars and this is the reason why Mercedes is the best team by far.

I watch TV with this opinion refuel in the 90s , and the races are more interesting, so many different strategies, fast stop and lighter car at the beginning or heavy cars and faster at the end... At time so many boring all Teams have the same strategy no freedom of movement for smaller Teams. So at time are good start and Mercedes win...
Yeah, refuleling gave much more options for strategy. Not like we have now - 1-2 pit stops to change tyres when most teams choose same strategy and stop almost same time. But I remember complaining about boring races back then too Cheesy. Mainly because small number of ocertakes and Schumi dominance.
^  I think Kvyat is the better driver.  Horner should've been more patient with the guy and should have given him more time and waited for him to get less nervy.  IMHO.
I think that all of them - Albon, Kvyat and Gasly is similar level drivers. But all of them will look bad in comparison with Max. I just think that main problem that Red Bull don't have patience and gives too much pressure for them - every mistake can cost them seat in Red Bull.
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^  I think Kvyat is the better driver.  Horner should've been more patient with the guy and should have given him more time and waited for him to get less nervy.  IMHO.

But switching Kvyat for Verstappen turned out well for Red Bull.

Albon was near to podium finishes but Hamilton ruined both if them. He isn't a bad driver but should perform much better with the car.
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After a terrible accident between Zarco, Morbidelli, Pol Espargaro and Oliveira FIM took them for evaluation. It looks like the main purpose of FIM is for security. Yes, it's a good move to see crash incidents on video and the slow motion is terrible. Educate racers that winning is not the goal but safety is number one. Rossi was very lucky at that time, if not possible he would be seriously injured.
This week the race will take place at the Red Bull Ring, the character of the straight track will be seen again, it looks like Ducati will be the favorite of the champions of this circuit.    Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2020/08/18/statement-from-the-fim-motogp-stewards/340097
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^  I think Kvyat is the better driver.  Horner should've been more patient with the guy and should have given him more time and waited for him to get less nervy.  IMHO.
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Red Bull needs to find a better driver than Albon. Being lapped by your teammate in the same car.

Albon isn't performing particularly well. But he is also to an extent made to look bad because Verstappen is really performing extremely well in a car that is nowhere near the quality of the Mercedes.
I would suspect that most drivers would look poor if they have Verstappen as a team-mate. Similar to how Bottas doesn't look great, because we can only compare him against Hamilton.
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Actually also the tyres Management is in discussion.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hamilton-pirelli-tyres-fans-2022/4859345/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-1

My opinion are, i hope for tyres the are mature longer and for faster laps, but for a better and variety strategy at the Teams and not all the same, a smaller gasoline tank than all Teams must refuel. And no gasoline Limit, that's Motorsport and no boring carrera track run like Formel E.



I agree with this.In fact you reminded me of McLaren golden era when they used to have a bigger gasoline tank than other teams and based on different strategies they used to win races only because of that and they were not the fastest car on track.I wish those days of true F1 battles between teams come again and why not remove the electronics from the car to see which driver has better skills.Unfortunately I know this will only remain a wish.
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