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Quote from: swogerino on September 03, 2020, 04:35:01 AM

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

I agree with you, it will be hard to watch, but they have to try to get as much as they possibly can from this one. At least show some fighting spirit, put up a fight, try some alternative strategy and mix it up during the race. Fans already know this season is gone down the drain, but would appreciate to see some fighting spirit at least.

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I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if there was some rain Grin

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

Indeed.
He possibly got transferred to Ferrari in order to have a better future instead of sitting at McLaren.
Ferrari is not going to help him contest for a championship title if this car stays in this situation. I hope Binotto is going to do some moves during this season in order to improve the situation that happens right now.

The problem by Ferrari is Binotto and the management, i think Ferrari must change more thinks then only the drivers. Ferrari have a big management problem. Technician, drivers and money are not there problems.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 02, 2020, 04:53:34 AM

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We well see at Misano but i think Suzuki also the Inline motor have also a very good handling and the engine is a litle bit stronger than Yamaha, and also have 2 good drivers. I don't count on Ducati but this year is all possible.

Although this circuit is a stop and go, I predict ducati because they are in their own home. Apart from that, Francesco Bagnaia did not experience the problems experienced by Dovizioso when cornering. Just look at the Andalusian MotoGP, Bagnaia, whose driving style relies on cornering speed, looks good. Bagnaia did not feel any motor problems when cornering, unfortunately she failed to enter the podium because Desmocini Gp was damaged. Although Bagnaia is not the same team as Dovizioso, I think it is a ducati manufacturer.

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Quote from: Waffen on August 31, 2020, 01:25:39 PM

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if there was some rain Grin

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

Indeed.
He possibly got transferred to Ferrari in order to have a better future instead of sitting at McLaren.
Ferrari is not going to help him contest for a championship title if this car stays in this situation. I hope Binotto is going to do some moves during this season in order to improve the situation that happens right now.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 03, 2020, 06:06:10 AM

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 02, 2020, 02:43:27 AM

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

This season is already a foregone conclusion. There is no medicine or remedy that could help Ferrari during this season, all they can do is try to create chaos with other teams about Merc's DAS and similar other technical legalities to try to get more even ground for the next season. Just like Merc did to them last season and ruined them for this one.

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

Not only Ferrari itself will have problems in Monza although they also have poor aerodynamics, unfortunately you will find all cars with Ferrari engines at the end of the field. I'm curious whether Ferrari will get past Q1 on Saturday.

I am afraid that Ferrari wont get it to Q2. If they make it, it would be a miracle. I am wondering how good Renault would to on that track.

I like those close race weekends all the time. We need just more races in a 'normal' season.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 03, 2020, 04:35:01 AM

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 02, 2020, 02:43:27 AM

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

This season is already a foregone conclusion. There is no medicine or remedy that could help Ferrari during this season, all they can do is try to create chaos with other teams about Merc's DAS and similar other technical legalities to try to get more even ground for the next season. Just like Merc did to them last season and ruined them for this one.

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

Not only Ferrari itself will have problems in Monza although they also have poor aerodynamics, unfortunately you will find all cars with Ferrari engines at the end of the field. I'm curious whether Ferrari will get past Q1 on Saturday.

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 02, 2020, 02:43:27 AM

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

This season is already a foregone conclusion. There is no medicine or remedy that could help Ferrari during this season, all they can do is try to create chaos with other teams about Merc's DAS and similar other technical legalities to try to get more even ground for the next season. Just like Merc did to them last season and ruined them for this one.

I think Ferrari will suffer a heavy humiliation in their home race this year.Their car speed is really ridiculous and in a track where the engine power is king I think all other cars will have a big advantage over Ferrari.One thing is sure I would never want to be in Vettel or Leclerc place for this race.

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Quote from: dre1982 on September 02, 2020, 02:43:27 AM

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

This season is already a foregone conclusion. There is no medicine or remedy that could help Ferrari during this season, all they can do is try to create chaos with other teams about Merc's DAS and similar other technical legalities to try to get more even ground for the next season. Just like Merc did to them last season and ruined them for this one.

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 01, 2020, 05:29:25 PM

Quote from: Koal-84 on September 01, 2020, 02:19:52 AM

~snip~
But KTM is this year very strong and also have young and hungry drivers. Results and time intervals last year.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/ergebnisse/2019/session/san-marino-gp-rennen-29246.html

Marc beat Fabio in the last round.

It seems that on this board not many people like MotoGP, it's just that we often discuss the Moto GP. 😀 You're right, but over the nine races the winners of this circuit were divided equally with Marquez, Lorenzo and Rossi three times as champions on this circuit. But maybe tomorrow Marquez won't race yet, and this is an advantage for his opponent. I think either Yamaha or Ducati will win at this circuit this season.

This looks really so Grin

, but no problem with the discuss with you Grin

. We well see at Misano but i think Suzuki also the Inline motor have also a very good handling and the engine is a litle bit stronger than Yamaha, and also have 2 good drivers. I don't count on Ducati but this year is all possible.

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Quote from: Waffen on August 31, 2020, 01:25:39 PM

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if there was some rain Grin

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

Very said for Sainz that he change to Ferrari, but i think Raikkönen have a little bit smile on his face when he overtake the Ferrari Grin

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Quote from: Naida_BR on September 02, 2020, 02:37:06 AM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 31, 2020, 02:25:38 PM

Quote from: Waffen on August 31, 2020, 01:25:39 PM

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if there was some rain Grin

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

If was even more sad to see Räikkönen passing Vettel in an Alfa Romeo.

Let's hope they will fix it soon otherwise Sainz will have a hard time there at Ferrari. If you saw his face during the race, he is having a headache already.

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 31, 2020, 02:25:38 PM

Quote from: Waffen on August 31, 2020, 01:25:39 PM

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if there was some rain Grin

With this Ferrari car, he is going to win only if all cars are involved in an accident.
It was very sad to see Gasly an Alpha Tauri passing the Ferraris in Belgium.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on September 01, 2020, 02:19:52 AM

~snip~
But KTM is this year very strong and also have young and hungry drivers. Results and time intervals last year.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/ergebnisse/2019/session/san-marino-gp-rennen-29246.html

Marc beat Fabio in the last round.

It seems that on this board not many people like MotoGP, it's just that we often discuss the Moto GP. 😀
You're right, but over the nine races the winners of this circuit were divided equally with Marquez, Lorenzo and Rossi three times as champions on this circuit. But maybe tomorrow Marquez won't race yet, and this is an advantage for his opponent. I think either Yamaha or Ducati will win at this circuit this season.

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Quote from: AakZaki on August 31, 2020, 03:28:34 PM

Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/event/San+Marino#info-track

Sunday 13 September Moto GP races will take place at Marco Simoncelli Misano World Circuit, San Marino Italy. Seeing that from the five racing series there are four different winners and only QUARTARO can win twice, the competition for the title is increasingly difficult to determine. Interestingly, the race in Italy will take place in two series. Then seeing the character of this circuit there are slow turns, fast corners, straight tracks also exist, this combination is quite difficult for the racers. In 2019, Marquez won at this circuit, followed by two Yamaha riders QUARTARO and Vinales. How about the race this time, will it be different again? Yes, I hope the old VR racers can still win in this series. He plays at home and he has won three times at this circuit like Marquez and Lorenzo

Misano is a good track for Yamaha and also Suzuki, you say it, only Marc can beat the Yamahas the last year Rossi are #4 at the end, the time intervals were very short. But KTM is this year very strong and also have young and hungry drivers. Results and time intervals last year.

https://www.motorsport-magazin.com/motogp/ergebnisse/2019/session/san-marino-gp-rennen-29246.html

Marc beat Fabio in the last round.

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Source: https://www.motogp.com/en/event/San+Marino#info-track

Sunday 13 September Moto GP races will take place at Marco Simoncelli Misano World Circuit, San Marino Italy. Seeing that from the five racing series there are four different winners and only QUARTARO can win twice, the competition for the title is increasingly difficult to determine. Interestingly, the race in Italy will take place in two series. Then seeing the character of this circuit there are slow turns, fast corners, straight tracks also exist, this combination is quite difficult for the racers. In 2019, Marquez won at this circuit, followed by two Yamaha riders QUARTARO and Vinales. How about the race this time, will it be different again? Yes, I hope the old VR racers can still win in this series. He plays at home and he has won three times at this circuit like Marquez and Lorenzo

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Quote from: Waffen on August 31, 2020, 01:25:39 PM

I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

Vettel did a nice interview on Dutch television. He was joking that he would won easily if there was some rain Grin

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I think Vettel's performance is better than other which are mention in the poll section.

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Last qualifying with "Party mod" but it looks like a Q3 without any Ferrari powerd engine. Ferrari so worst this years, chassis and engine.

The problem is the deal with the FIA.
Ferrari engine lost around 50hp because of it.

Ferrari did a new engine and because of the new rules they can't touch it till the end of the season.

Meanwhile, Mercedes is using what Ferrari was using last year and they increased their power around 40hp

-50-40=-90

Ferrari engine has now 90hp less than Mercedes and they can't touch the engine till next year.

Why Mercedes can use it and it has been banned of Ferrari? Well, Mercedes can do everything.

I also read this with less horse power, so all Ferrari powered teams have the same problem. Very sorry for Kimi he have not many chance this year for points. I will waiit and see if Kimi is still interested next year.

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It's more fun to watch Lando calling Verstappen, Sainz, Russel etc then yesterdays race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X398Ksj6Dbg Great to see that the guys also enjoy it outside the circuit. Grin

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Race yesterday very boring, but the rest of this session are the same. Start -> finish victory from Mercedes. Ferrari is so weak, also Kimi overtakes Ferrari with the same engine.

Highlights from yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOy63dhQmUg&feature=emb_err_woyt

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Quote from: Cnut237 on August 31, 2020, 02:12:05 AM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 31, 2020, 01:33:42 AM

That was a boring race yesterday. I think it came because of the early safety car. They had to take the pitstop too early so the rest of the race they just had to save tyres.

Yes, that didn't help. But I think as soon as Hamilton got through the first few corners on the opening lap, it was pretty much guaranteed that he'd win. Bottas can't compete because he's not good enough, Verstappen can't compete because his car's not good enough. Drivers and constructors championships are as good as over already. Still, we can't take anything away from Hamilton, he's a top driver performing at the top of his ability.

There was moment in the race Hamilton said on the teamradio that he was losing power. That could made the race and the championship more interesting but few seconds later he was still driving 320km/h and his engineer told him that it was already fixed.

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