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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 16, 2023, 07:19:51 PM

14 points of advantage in a 70 possibility points is nothing.

But Martin is at a bigger risk, if the will go out from one race it will be over, while Bagnana can still score a 0 points and be in the game.

That's right, if we talk about possibilities, Martin is the one who can't make any mistakes in the remaining two series. Meanwhile, Bagnaia still has a chance to become world champion if he doesn't get the full points in one of the races, even though Bagnaia still needs to win again to maintain his firm position at the top until the end of this season. The Qatar circuit is a circuit that is liked by almost all riders at the moment so there will be quite a battle that will thrill the hearts of the spectators even though I have to stay up late to watch the race in Qatar.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 15, 2023, 07:25:01 PM

No raid is predicted in Las Vegas.

Without a doubt, the Las Vegas Grand Prix is the most anticipated stage of the entire season. I was shocked to learn that they invested around US$500 million to celebrate this event, but... as a consequence they hope to generate US$1.7 billion in revenue to justify the expense and inconvenience caused to the city's residents.

Just like with Miami, Formula 1 encountered a lot of resistance to mounting a street race near the Las Vegas Strip. The construction of the structures caused problems for residents and even tourists, who have to divert their paths and travel greater distances to reach emblematic points in the region. Traffic was also severely hampered around the circuit. Within three months, the region will host another important sporting event: the SuperBowl (the NFL final), which will be played at Allegiant Stadium, on February 11, 2024.
Of course we are talking about two great events... "it is an evil that comes for the greater good", but I put myself in the shoes of the residents there and honestly I would not want to go through this inconvenience.

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 16, 2023, 12:35:06 PM

If in the Qatar series this week Bagnaia fails to finish in the main race, then Bagnaia must at least be able to finish ahead of Martin in the Sprint race so as not to be far behind Martin. Because the distance of 14 points that Bagnaia has is still quite risky for him and is clearly not yet in the safe category, which is why Bagnaia still has to fight to get first position, both in the Sprint and in the main race.

14 points of advantage in a 70 possibility points is nothing.

But Martin is at a bigger risk, if the will go out from one race it will be over, while Bagnana can still score a 0 points and be in the game.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on November 16, 2023, 06:19:46 AM

I did not count Bagnaia's points in the remaining race series and only outlined Martin's chances in one of the remaining two series.
Bagnaia, who is ahead of Martin, must be careful not to make even the smallest mistakes during the race.

Any mistake will really affect Bagnaia in this season's championship, because Bagnaia on the one hand must be able to play safely in order to maintain his position. However, on the other hand, Bagnaia still needs to fight for victory because this season there is a Sprint Race which makes every rider think twice about the championship.

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It's not wrong because it's still a possibility like the possibility I told Martin.
If in another possibility that is different from the possibility you have stated, Bagnaia fails to finish and doesn't get any points, what will happen to the competition?

If in the Qatar series this week Bagnaia fails to finish in the main race, then Bagnaia must at least be able to finish ahead of Martin in the Sprint race so as not to be far behind Martin. Because the distance of 14 points that Bagnaia has is still quite risky for him and is clearly not yet in the safe category, which is why Bagnaia still has to fight to get first position, both in the Sprint and in the main race.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 15, 2023, 07:25:01 PM

No raid is predicted in Las Vegas.

But it will be very cold.

I think I've never seen the car running in such cold track, there will be 10°C Shocked

What's a raid?

And they're running the race late at night so yeah, it wouldn't be surprising to see the track that cold. And it's winter in the desert. :/

Anyway, here's the schedule.

2023 F1 Las Vegas GP Schedule
Track: Las Vegas Strip Circuit, Nevada

Nov 17, Friday: Practice 1 20:30 - 21:30
Nov 17, Friday: Practice 2 00:00 - 01:00
Nov 18, Saturday: Practice 3 20:30 - 21:30
Nov 18, Saturday: Qualifying 00:00 - 01:00
Nov 19, Sunday: Race 22:00

^ A very fast track with possibly very cold tires. What could possibly wrong?

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 15, 2023, 05:32:28 AM

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With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

It seems there is one thing that makes you forget to calculate the number of points, namely points for Bagnaia in one race series. Because you only count points for Martin and don't count points for Bagnaia,

I did not count Bagnaia's points in the remaining race series and only outlined Martin's chances in one of the remaining two series.
Bagnaia, who is ahead of Martin, must be careful not to make even the smallest mistakes during the race.

Quote from: Davian144 on November 15, 2023, 05:32:28 AM

now let's say as a small example that for example Martin can win the race and Sprint by getting 37 points in one series, while Bagnaia manages to finish right behind Martin in one series or in other words managed to finish in second place with 29 points. That means Bagnaia still has a 9 point advantage as his capital in the closing series of this season, namely at Valencia and now try to calculate whether what I said is true?

It's not wrong because it's still a possibility like the possibility I told Martin.
If in another possibility that is different from the possibility you have stated, Bagnaia fails to finish and doesn't get any points, what will happen to the competition?

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No raid is predicted in Las Vegas.

But it will be very cold.

I think I've never seen the car running in such cold track, there will be 10°C Shocked

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I believe that we are going to see a big fight for the second place to be fair, not everyone talks about that but Hamilton is going for that second place, and that's a big boost to the team, with such a horrible car at the start of the season, they really did make a huge comeback without a doubt.

We are talking about only 22 point difference and yes not that many races left but if Perez DNF's or something, or gets very low points, Hamilton seriously has a chance to do that, with just 2 races left, Hamilton could get 18-18 total of 36 points if he finishes second, I doubt Max would leave the first place, but Hamilton could get 36 points with 2 second finishes, that should allow him to have a big chance to become second overall.

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Quote from: FanEagle on November 11, 2023, 04:10:30 PM

Next race will be Las Vegas one, that is going to definitely be a fun one without a doubt for racers. I mean we are talking about somewhere "new" give or take, even though there has been races there before, F1 added it recently. I think it is going to be a bit shocking because not that many racers have raced there, so that means they do not have enough time there and this could change a lot.

It does bring in rookies (or young racers) closer to older ones, because when you are that good, as a veteran, you know how to save and all, but when you do not have track experience that much, it does bring in racers closer. This doesn't really apply to many teams, but could apply to ones like Mercedes, where I believe experience of Hamilton brought in a lot more points to him so far, and Russell could definitely give him a run for his money this race around. Lets see, we are going to see a race where I bet that some unexpected results will happen for sure.

I think the Las Vegas GP is going to be a spectacular opening ceremony, you can't miss the introduction of the drivers, the tour of the track and so on. With the cold weather conditions, the new, smooth asphalt and the fact that it's the first time to drive on this track, it's going to be a race full of surprises. In Las Vegas, Ferrari, with a car that consumes tires in normal weather conditions because it's cold, could warm them up faster than its rivals, especially in qualifying. Also, the Las Vegas GP could be a record breaking race for Verstappen. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on November 15, 2023, 04:55:27 AM

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

It seems there is one thing that makes you forget to calculate the number of points, namely points for Bagnaia in one race series. Because you only count points for Martin and don't count points for Bagnaia, now let's say as a small example that for example Martin can win the race and Sprint by getting 37 points in one series, while Bagnaia manages to finish right behind Martin in one series or in other words managed to finish in second place with 29 points. That means Bagnaia still has a 9 point advantage as his capital in the closing series of this season, namely at Valencia and now try to calculate whether what I said is true?

Quote from: swogerino on November 15, 2023, 04:59:17 AM

I don't think Martin will held such pressure very well compared to Bagnaia who is more experienced and also a World Champion.Bagnaia needs to be careful to manage these last two races to not crash in the early stages and then to recover gradually if it happens that he is behind Martin.Of course the competition here in the MotoGP is much better than F1 where the world Champion is already decided several races before the end of the season and this is a huge boost to better visibility and followers for MotoGp rather than F1 in this context.If the odds are good though I would bet on Bagnaia to win the season.

The potential still looks the same even though up to now Bagnaia still has a lead of 14 points and this will still make the remaining two series this season even fiercer in terms of competition between the two. I am also quite sure that Bagnaia will be able to defend his title for this season if he doesn't make the slightest mistake, because the distance is so close that both of them have to fight together until the end of the season to determine who will be world champion this season.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on November 15, 2023, 04:55:27 AM

Quote from: Davian144 on November 15, 2023, 03:04:59 AM

I don't think it's that difficult for Martin to catch up with the 14 points that Bagnaia has in the two remaining series this season, because if Martin has better focus in the Qatar series and the final series in Spain, I think Bagnaia will also have heavy pressure for that matter. So their competition will be presented again this week in Qatar.

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

I don't think Martin will held such pressure very well compared to Bagnaia who is more experienced and also a World Champion.Bagnaia needs to be careful to manage these last two races to not crash in the early stages and then to recover gradually if it happens that he is behind Martin.Of course the competition here in the MotoGP is much better than F1 where the world Champion is already decided several races before the end of the season and this is a huge boost to better visibility and followers for MotoGp rather than F1 in this context.If the odds are good though I would bet on Bagnaia to win the season.

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 15, 2023, 03:04:59 AM

I don't think it's that difficult for Martin to catch up with the 14 points that Bagnaia has in the two remaining series this season, because if Martin has better focus in the Qatar series and the final series in Spain, I think Bagnaia will also have heavy pressure for that matter. So their competition will be presented again this week in Qatar.

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

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Quote from: moneystery on November 13, 2023, 12:14:39 PM

bagnaia and martin put on a world-class show, where the two of them fought side to side, elbow to elbow, which was very exciting to watch. but it must be admitted that bagnaia remains calm, patient, with a neat racing line in responding to martin and that is what allows him to maintain his position.

Their competition was only presented for a very short duration because after that, the race felt very sleepy due to the riders in the front row having quite a big gap. I still want to see how they compete in Qatar at the end of this week because Qatar also has a pretty good circuit for the Ducati factory as well as for several top riders from all manufacturers.

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it was just unlucky for martin not to get p3, but if martin can see the opportunity and improve his strategy going forward, i think martin can catch bagnaia in the remaining sprints and races ahead even though it will be quite difficult.

I don't think it's that difficult for Martin to catch up with the 14 points that Bagnaia has in the two remaining series this season, because if Martin has better focus in the Qatar series and the final series in Spain, I think Bagnaia will also have heavy pressure for that matter. So their competition will be presented again this week in Qatar.

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Americans are expanding the brand in their country.

Idk if they can be competitive at the start but it is now official.

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I have examined the Las Vegas track before the race weekend. I wasn't contented with what I saw to tell the truth. Because the straights are just too long. This track would make use of more turns in my opinion. It would make the race more watchable. Of course, having long straights is good for watching more overtakes as well. But it makes the track more boring when the number of turns is really low. I believe that it is against the nature of Formula 1. The drivers would also not feel like they are being challenged I think.

I'm putting the image of the track below for you to understand what I mean better:

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Quote from: panjul07 on November 12, 2023, 10:57:16 AM

It is 14 points now, it will be great to see that the competition between Pecco and Martin for the title will be determined in the last race.
Martin is a great rider and he is still young compared to other, lets say he fails to steal the title this season, I hope he will do it in the next season.

There are still 3 races to go (including the two sprint races where only half the points are awarded) and a lot can happen, there is still a maximum of 74 points, so a crash from either of them and the cards will be reshuffled, but I hope there is no crash and the championship will be decided in Valencia. But I still think that Bagnaia should just about manage to defend the title in Valencia, although the pressure on both of them will be pretty equal. Hopefully a third rider won't crash with one of them and decide the championship.

Next season will be interesting to see how well Marc copes with the Ducati, although I don't think he can fight for the title again.

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Quote from: Davian144 on November 13, 2023, 09:35:16 AM

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In essence, Bagnaia has also done something good and extraordinary by being on the third podium and finishing the race ahead of Martin so that Bagnaia can still maintain a points distance from Martin, even though it is only 14 points. However, Bagnaia must continue to fight hard in the two remaining series, especially in the Qatar series which will be held at the end of this week.

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bagnaia and martin put on a world-class show, where the two of them fought side to side, elbow to elbow, which was very exciting to watch. but it must be admitted that bagnaia remains calm, patient, with a neat racing line in responding to martin and that is what allows him to maintain his position.

it was just unlucky for martin not to get p3, but if martin can see the opportunity and improve his strategy going forward, i think martin can catch bagnaia in the remaining sprints and races ahead even though it will be quite difficult.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on November 12, 2023, 02:44:15 PM

We are only 2 races away from at the end of the season now. I'm getting more curious about what action Red Bull will decide to take about Perez situation. As we have known his performance has dropped down a lot lately. It dropped so sharply that we even started to see some amateurish mistakes from him like the one at the beginning of the Mexico GP and there was his weird incident during the Suzuka GP. Sad

We don't have the same old Perez anymore at least for now. I wonder whether he can collect himself until next season to return stronger. If he believes that he can manage to fix his current concentration problems then I would like him to stay at Red Bull. Because I don't feel like Ricciardo can guarantee performing better than Perez. We don't have a competitive Ricciardo anymore.

In the last race at least he showed in the last couple of laps that his fighting spirit is still there against Alonso and of course I never expected him to beat Alonso when both cars were performing nearly the same in those last laps.For the moment I don't see any good successor to him that will allow Verstappen to win easily and Redbull already knows this that is why most likely they will continue with him even with 2024 as this would mean another easy title for Verstappen if other teams don't improve their cars.As long as they have been silent on this matter it means they are going to honor his contract also for 2024.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on November 12, 2023, 05:10:51 AM

Switching from Ducati to Honda is probably the worst thing you can do at the moment, unless you can't get a place with a team.

I also have that assumption, because in almost all the series held this year, Ducati motorbikes are almost very often seen at the front and dominate the front row. Meanwhile, Honda is almost often a fixture in the back row, so it is very possible that the decision made by Marini is a bad thing for next season. Because Marquez no longer feels at home there.

Quote from: boty on November 12, 2023, 05:36:20 AM

It is indeed not a good choice to leave the best motorbike on the current grid and switch to a motorbike that is very difficult to finish a race, if it is true that Marini accepted an offer from Honda, of course there are other things that he saw so he accepted the offer from Honda.

A very good race for Bastianini today because he managed to get first today with two series remaining, of course this will add more opponents to Martin and Bagnaia.

There won't be much that Marini can do if his bike isn't competitive enough like this season if he actually accepts the offer from Honda. Because Honda is looking for a very talented rider for next season, because they have lost the tough rider they often relied on in previous seasons, namely Marquez. So I was a little surprised when rumors about Marini started appearing in many media today.

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The big result today for the Italian.

He kept basically the same advantage but they have 1 less race to race.

Not sure if they will have more sprint races before the end of the season or they are done with them

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