MtGox account in the USA has been seized by the DHS? - page 3.

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Quote from: Cubic Earth on May 14, 2013, 04:45:19 PM

Just got of the phone with Dwolla - no hoax people. Call them yourselves. I asked about a warrant number or court order number and the rep. told me she didn't have any of that info. But she did say that Dwolla has been asked to not do business with Mt.Gox and for the moment they are complying.

What would be too funny was if Dwolla got scared shitless (not double checking with DHS) by some suits serving the order, and it all turns out to be a hoax.

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Quote from: ionstorm on May 14, 2013, 04:56:22 PM

This kind of shit is the reason we need bitcoin, can't wait until we are not reliant on banks..

Well, strictly speaking we're not reliant on banks. You only make yourself reliant on banks if you insist on trading back and forth into fiat.

If people just stayed in bitcoin world once they accrued their coins, there wouldn't be any problem. Now that you can buy stuff using bitpay and gyff, is there any real need to switch into dollars or any other currency at all? This only affects the speculators and currency traders - they just can't resist going back into their old world...

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Quote from: svenp on May 14, 2013, 09:01:50 PM

Quote from: gmaxwell on May 14, 2013, 08:56:20 PM

Next person to talk to dwolla, ask them for a case number. It should be listed on the top of the seizure warrant. If for some reason they can't/won't provide that, try to get the name of the certifying judge that signed it.

I'd call them myself but I'm not a dwolla customer.

I can find nothing showing in pacer on the docket for this.

Well, what sort of DHS action would not show a public record in PACER? Hmmm?

Sorry, don't know... care to clarify? Or do you not know?

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Quote from: leopard2 on May 14, 2013, 07:53:10 PM

Quote from: Klestin on May 14, 2013, 07:47:34 PM

Quote from: leopard2 on May 14, 2013, 07:46:14 PM

What the heck is Dwolla? For retards that cannot fill in a wire transfer form?

Retards are those who don't want to pay expensive wire transfer fees?

Just find a bank that is cheaper, and transfer larger amounts - the fee is normally the same for $10 or $500.

BTC is like a foreign currency; and you would not buy $10 worth of Euros or whatever from a bank, would you?

I would buy $10 worth of Euros... I don't have to buy massive quantities. My bank charges a percentage which is built into the exchange rate and is very small.

you must be new here, cuz this is the second post I've found where you sound misguided... do some homework...

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Quote from: gmaxwell on May 14, 2013, 08:56:20 PM

Next person to talk to dwolla, ask them for a case number. It should be listed on the top of the seizure warrant. If for some reason they can't/won't provide that, try to get the name of the certifying judge that signed it.

I'd call them myself but I'm not a dwolla customer.

I can find nothing showing in pacer on the docket for this.

Well, what sort of DHS action would not show a public record in PACER? Hmmm?

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Quote from: leopard2 on May 14, 2013, 08:16:41 PM

Look I don't know what to say Undecided

I have had coworkers going for Mtgox because "they are the largest" Roll Eyes

When I saw their statement about putting customers through AML hell, when they access their website via a proxy, that is all I needed to know.

Then to make things worse, people use extra intermediaries, for a PEER TO PEER bitcoin!?! Dwolla, Paypal, and whatnot?

If only 10% of Mtgox customers would trade on localbitcoins, this would not have happened. At the moment Gox is 80% and spreads on localbitcoins are awful, but that can change.

Sure exchanges are comfortable but they are completely unnecessary; all that is required is real people with bank accounts and BTC wallets.

any money service business licenses??? That I cannot afford...

unless of course you're just assuming all the people selling bitcoins in the US are ok with breaking the law... which may be accurate, but not for me.

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Next person to talk to dwolla, ask them for a case number. It should be listed on the top of the seizure warrant. If for some reason they can't/won't provide that, try to get the name of the certifying judge that signed it.

I'd call them myself but I'm not a dwolla customer.

I can find nothing showing in pacer on the docket for this.

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Bye bye Mt Gox and Dwolla, hello Coinbase!

BTW, is Coinbase any good?

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I have funds that are "stuck", sent money from Mt. Gox to Dwolla this afternoon. Balance is gone from Mt. Gox but obviously isn't in Dwolla -- hopefully Mt. Gox credits my account back the withdrawal that never happened.

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One maxim to keep in mind - never assume malice when incompetence will suffice as an explanation.

If Mt. Gox has been responding to inquiries from DHS like apparently deal with the business partners and customers, it could be the DHS decided they just need to grab the account and get this straightened out.

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Quote from: crazy_rabbit on May 14, 2013, 05:08:10 PM

Quote from: myself on May 14, 2013, 05:04:43 PM

2011 thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dwolla-mutum-sigillum-llc-mtgox-13547

Lets hope that Gox has been playing by the rules in all jurisdictions. It would really suck if it turns out that they haven't.

it doesn't work this way, they always have rules and ways of interpreting them to find you did not comply

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Quote from: Raoul Duke on May 14, 2013, 07:50:18 PM

Quote from: Klestin on May 14, 2013, 07:47:34 PM

Quote from: leopard2 on May 14, 2013, 07:46:14 PM

What the heck is Dwolla? For retards that cannot fill in a wire transfer form?

Retards are those who don't want to pay expensive wire transfer fees?

Retards are the ones who continue using a company after said company declared themselves to be against everything BTC represents. That was what, 1 and a half year ago already? Huh

donkeys will be donkeys, I guess...

For once I agree with you!

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Here's Mt Gox's statement from a few minutes ago. The wall observer thread is too distracted by a girlie picture right now to comment so I'll get your opinion instead.

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Statement Regarding Dwolla:

Like many who have contacted us, MtGox has read on the Internet that the United States Department of Homeland Security had a court order and/or warrant issued from the United States District Court in Maryland which it served upon the Dwolla mobile payment service with respect to accounts used for trading with MtGox. We take this information seriously. However, as of this time we have not been provided with a copy of the court order and/or warrant, and do not know its scope and/or the reasons for its issuance. MtGox is investigating and will provide further reports when additional information becomes known.

https://www.facebook.com/MtGox/posts/468895216528224

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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on May 14, 2013, 08:16:46 PM

Quote from: mgio on May 14, 2013, 06:51:22 PM

I'm really shock bitcoin price hasn't crashed with this news. $119 to $114 isn't really a crash.

I wonder if we will see a slow decline over the next few days as this gets reported in the news.

No think this through a little ... if people can't get their US Dollars out of Mt. Gox via Dwolla what can they do??

Well they can buy BTC and move them out of Gox .... net result BTC demand, USD supply ....

Excellent. Nothing would be better for long term BTC future than an outage of Mtgox. After awhile people would find out, hey, it works without them...

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Quote from: crazy_rabbit on May 14, 2013, 03:34:25 PM

Well to be fair the bank system doesn't exactly like Dwolla either, so it's double whammy.

They use a credit union, I believe, something owned by the people, not a banker. Its like a Co-op.

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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi ~

I guess we have now moved to phase 3.

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Quote from: mgio on May 14, 2013, 06:51:22 PM

I'm really shock bitcoin price hasn't crashed with this news. $119 to $114 isn't really a crash.

I wonder if we will see a slow decline over the next few days as this gets reported in the news.

No think this through a little ... if people can't get their US Dollars out of Mt. Gox via Dwolla what can they do??

Well they can buy BTC and move them out of Gox .... net result BTC demand, USD supply ....

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Look I don't know what to say Undecided

I have had coworkers going for Mtgox because "they are the largest" Roll Eyes

When I saw their statement about putting customers through AML hell, when they access their website via a proxy, that is all I needed to know.

Then to make things worse, people use extra intermediaries, for a PEER TO PEER bitcoin!?! Dwolla, Paypal, and whatnot?

If only 10% of Mtgox customers would trade on localbitcoins, this would not have happened. At the moment Gox is 80% and spreads on localbitcoins are awful, but that can change.

Sure exchanges are comfortable but they are completely unnecessary; all that is required is real people with bank accounts and BTC wallets.

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Quote from: proudhon on May 14, 2013, 06:37:19 PM

If only there were a way to move value around without the threat of it getting seized by a third party. Somebody should invent something.

This ^^

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Quote from: papaminer on May 14, 2013, 07:57:40 PM

Quote from: MickeyT2008 on May 14, 2013, 03:35:13 PM

MtGox is outside the jurisdiction of the US government, they can't seize their accounts or anything of theirs at all. Maybe the email is badly worded

TELL THAT TO MEGAUPLOADS ATTORNEY

At it said they were freezing their US accounts. If they have account in the US, they surely can be frozen.

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