My Recent Experience at a Land-Based Casino - page 3.

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Quote from: abel1337 on July 10, 2022, 06:22:34 PM

Surely this will have an impact to the casino especially if this came out on media.

Why it will give an impact on the casino if that said person will his take life? It's a casino and anyone knows that there's gambling there, obviously.

What do you guys think of casinos? A rehabilitation program for gamblers? A marketplace? A shopping mall?

Before you stepped-in into a casino, you should know your responsibility. Casinos are not forcing anyone to gamble and they have gambling-responsibility terms.

They wont really be having any issues if ever a person would mess up their lives just because of gambling.Its out of their responsibility and its true that they havent been forced to play in the first place which means
that they wont really be responsible but if one of the workers do sees out one of his relatives on getting addicted and spending up too much and having that concern which is normal then its not bad to make
out some silent approach into the person and not into the form of yelling because it would really be affecting overall reputation which people around could see such public scene.
Its not good for the business but that worker does deserve second chance and should be warned out on what he had done.

About what happened between the employee and his relative that's out of the discussion already involving the casino's reputation and status as that can be settled in a proper way. But like I said, if ever something wrong with that person, casinos are out of it.

Casinos are not there to force anyone and they shouldn't blame what will happen to that person.

I appreciate what the nephew doing but he can stop his relative in a much more responsible way rather than shouting at the business main area.

The employee could've decline his relative to seat and play at the casino in a much more polite manner so that the situation won't escalate into shouting or else ask the management that he would really appreciate if the establishment will ban him for the meantime because his wife needed him more than ever as his wife recently delivered twins. I'm sure the management would consider the employee's request.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on July 12, 2022, 09:48:56 AM

True, there was a more ethical way the employee could have done it, a more polite way, a way that didn't attract a lot of attention and create inconvenience to everyone in the casino. the employee has made a noise and it is clear the employee has violated the rules of the gambling house this cannot be justified even though the man is actually his uncle. if we read and study the op story this case is like a double edged sword, if someone were to be a casino manager which choice to make, fire or

If that worker had been there on that casino for how many years then he might really be getting some consideration or warning but it totally depends on the manager on what decision he would made on such
incident.Its not really good to make up some noise specially on casino premises which do really draw lots of attention which would create out some scene which will not really be that appealing into other customers
which would neither affect or not but its not really that a good gesture to be done. Personal things should be settled on a private way and shouting inside the premises of the casino wont really be that a good idea.
Settle things on home or say or advise if ever you do see that one of your relatives or loved ones is really getting addicted with casino games.

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Well! I had had days without seeing a story where the loser or the compulsive gambler did not appear.

Sometimes the rules come before the moral judgment or the judgment of our actions, it's that simple, a manager does not make decisions based on his emotions (at least not totally), it is based on rules govern him. So, if the employee violated any rule, the sanction proceeds, the sanctions can be temporary suspension, permanent suspension, etc.

On the other hand, there are laws where casinos must prohibit not because of them as companies, but by law, if they know or suspect gambling players from entering their facilities, someone can be a loser but not necessarily a compulsive gambler, at least with a diagnosis dictated by a specialist.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 10, 2022, 06:58:24 PM

Quote from: abel1337 on July 10, 2022, 06:22:34 PM

Surely this will have an impact to the casino especially if this came out on media.

Why it will give an impact on the casino if that said person will his take life? It's a casino and anyone knows that there's gambling there, obviously.

What do you guys think of casinos? A rehabilitation program for gamblers? A marketplace? A shopping mall?

Before you stepped-in into a casino, you should know your responsibility. Casinos are not forcing anyone to gamble and they have gambling-responsibility terms.

But before that, why will this came out on media? Even if someone reported this, this will not be taken seriously because they also know that it was the fault of those who gamble and not the casino unless maybe if the casino is operating illegally, then it will also be taken down.

On the story, no, the guy didn't take his life but there was a problem with his family. It seems the guy is not responsible enough to care for his family when they needed them the most especially now that her wife has her newborn baby. Casino's has their own terms, in terms of being a responsible gambler but it was often being ignored by the gamblers.

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True, there was a more ethical way the employee could have done it, a more polite way, a way that didn't attract a lot of attention and create inconvenience to everyone in the casino. the employee has made a noise and it is clear the employee has violated the rules of the gambling house this cannot be justified even though the man is actually his uncle. if we read and study the op story this case is like a double edged sword, if someone were to be a casino manager which choice to make, fire or

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Quote from: Lanatsa on July 11, 2022, 06:16:55 PM

Quote from: agustina2 on July 10, 2022, 06:58:24 PM

Quote from: abel1337 on July 10, 2022, 06:22:34 PM

Surely this will have an impact to the casino especially if this came out on media.

Why it will give an impact on the casino if that said person will his take life? It's a casino and anyone knows that there's gambling there, obviously.

What do you guys think of casinos? A rehabilitation program for gamblers? A marketplace? A shopping mall?

Before you stepped-in into a casino, you should know your responsibility. Casinos are not forcing anyone to gamble and they have gambling-responsibility terms.

They wont really be having any issues if ever a person would mess up their lives just because of gambling.Its out of their responsibility and its true that they havent been forced to play in the first place which means
that they wont really be responsible but if one of the workers do sees out one of his relatives on getting addicted and spending up too much and having that concern which is normal then its not bad to make
out some silent approach into the person and not into the form of yelling because it would really be affecting overall reputation which people around could see such public scene.
Its not good for the business but that worker does deserve second chance and should be warned out on what he had done.

About what happened between the employee and his relative that's out of the discussion already involving the casino's reputation and status as that can be settled in a proper way. But like I said, if ever something wrong with that person, casinos are out of it.

Casinos are not there to force anyone and they shouldn't blame what will happen to that person.

I appreciate what the nephew doing but he can stop his relative in a much more responsible way rather than shouting at the business main area.

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Quote from: agustina2 on July 10, 2022, 06:58:24 PM

Quote from: abel1337 on July 10, 2022, 06:22:34 PM

Surely this will have an impact to the casino especially if this came out on media.

Why it will give an impact on the casino if that said person will his take life? It's a casino and anyone knows that there's gambling there, obviously.

What do you guys think of casinos? A rehabilitation program for gamblers? A marketplace? A shopping mall?

Before you stepped-in into a casino, you should know your responsibility. Casinos are not forcing anyone to gamble and they have gambling-responsibility terms.

They wont really be having any issues if ever a person would mess up their lives just because of gambling.Its out of their responsibility and its true that they havent been forced to play in the first place which means
that they wont really be responsible but if one of the workers do sees out one of his relatives on getting addicted and spending up too much and having that concern which is normal then its not bad to make
out some silent approach into the person and not into the form of yelling because it would really be affecting overall reputation which people around could see such public scene.
Its not good for the business but that worker does deserve second chance and should be warned out on what he had done.

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Quote from: wiss19 on July 10, 2022, 11:09:04 AM

Strange that he always lose. Never seen such a guy that has a terrible luck. Maybe winning in gambling is not for him? And the reason why he keeps on gambling is maybe not because of the profit this time but because he only want to have fun.

I'm sure there's a win in between. Not all have terrible luck but the timing to stop is not just executed properly. Since that person might be aiming for more profits, even though luck is always there and giving him chance to win, he still continues to play and the worst thing happened. The same cycle will happen again over and over again the next day and so.

As always, there's a thing in the gambler's mindset about why should we stop if we are lucky never realizing that it's now the start of the trap as they will just continue to bet. I admit, even for me, it's really hard to stop when we feel lucky and it's obvious that it's there while we play.

Just a while ago, I'm playing in a fiat casino with a capital of $20, spare funds on my fiat wallet app that is popular here. I managed to get winnings up to $300 for just a short time of playing because of that big multipliers. Since I'm feeling lucky and my capital is small, I decided to play more but someone got hit on my head that I need to take a break after experiencing no winnings in about, maybe 30-40 spins that I never experienced playing at crypto-slot games. I end up taking $200 at the end lol. Just imagine if the amount involved is decent.

Really hard to stop when we feel lucky.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 07, 2022, 12:23:26 PM

If you were the casino manager would you fire the casino worker for interfering with your business or would you ban the gambler from visiting the casino?

I'd just leave him alone and do his thing even though it looks bad to stop customers from playing at their casino it's also for the better since the worker is only concerned for his uncle.

Quote from: wiss19 on July 10, 2022, 11:09:04 AM

Strange that he always lose. Never seen such a guy that has a terrible luck.

It's somewhat normal for gamblers to have bad luck but there could be a couple of factors that make him lose most of the time. I've seen a similar user with bad luck and in his case, he lacks self-control as he doesn't stop until he reaches a certain amount or recovers his previous losses.

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Quote from: abel1337 on July 10, 2022, 06:22:34 PM

Surely this will have an impact to the casino especially if this came out on media.

Why it will give an impact on the casino if that said person will his take life? It's a casino and anyone knows that there's gambling there, obviously.

What do you guys think of casinos? A rehabilitation program for gamblers? A marketplace? A shopping mall?

Before you stepped-in into a casino, you should know your responsibility. Casinos are not forcing anyone to gamble and they have gambling-responsibility terms.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 09, 2022, 05:52:13 PM

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If the owner doesn't really have a sense of sympathy and he's all in for the money and profit, he will fire the employee that has stopped one of his customers from gambling because of the situation.
But if the owner has compassion and understanding, that won't be a big deal to him. This happens in some casinos too when they see someone can't handle the addiction, they're banning them from entering the premises.

I don't think it is a matter of sympathy. It is a matter of professionalism but of course, the owner can always give a warning to the employee, that would probably settle it, and possibly the employee won't do that thing again. What happens, happens, that the employee with his act of rudeness should accept whatever the Casino owner decided while on the other hand if it was the first offense of the employee then the owner can just give the employee a warning.

Owner or the person in charge can follow what he thinks is right. He can have sympathy and stop that customer per se if he's certainly cannot stop himself.
If they think that it's rudeness, on the case and example of OP is different. They're relatives and that's why he has to stop what the customer has been doing because of real world problems and obligations he has to face. That's where the sympathy goes and that's why if there's really no concern on them, whether it's the owner or just an employee, I'm sure that it's understandable whatever they choose to decide.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 07, 2022, 12:23:26 PM

If you were the casino manager would you fire the casino worker for interfering with your business or would you ban the gambler from visiting the casino?

If I'm the casino owner I wouldn't fire that casino working knowing that the gambler has some serious gambling problems and the worker is the newphew of that gambler. I would resort in humanitarian ways than a greedy casino owner. Also, There could be a negative possible tendency that the gambler might do like taking his own life because of the financial problem he is facing + family responsibilities he don't commit, Surely this will have an impact to the casino especially if this came out on media. This way you don't do unjust with your workers and you avoided future problems in your business. It's the workers family that knows the internal problem with that gambler, It's not a random dude just keep losing. You should be just considerate with the workers action.

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Quote from: wiss19 on July 10, 2022, 11:09:04 AM

I will give that worker a special treatment among my other workers because I like the attitude that he is showing towards our customers.

Do you mean that yelling in front of many clients there is a good attitude for you?

Always be professional if you are at work and don't make sh*t out there.

If that employee is concerned about his relative, he can grab that person into another spot in the casino and do a confrontation there. Regardless of whether the employee care for his relative or not, it's not appropriate to just shout there in front of other gamblers. The employee should know the limit.

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Quote from: Slow death on July 10, 2022, 05:28:10 PM

there are cases where the manager if he realizes that a certain player in symptoms of being addicted he can send the player away but this can also create another problem if the player goes to complain in court as the manager may have acted in good faith but he doesn't have any proof that the game is addicted so the court will give the player right

That's too far if the case will go to court as that act of the manager is just part of humanity. Well, it's true, and reality speaking that can really happen somewhere if the gambler is too addicted and he wants nothing from anyone but only him to gamble.
He wouldn't care that people are concerned about his situation and he can reason out that it is his money that he's gambling with and no one should intervene with what he is doing whether you're the manager or the owner.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 07, 2022, 12:23:26 PM

If you were the casino manager would you fire the casino worker for interfering with your business or would you ban the gambler from visiting the casino?

Banning the gambler won't do anything good to his gambling habit. He will just go to a different casino or gamble online. What I will do is I will invite a psychologist to the casino to talk to him abiout why is he still gambling everyday despite of his losses and his wife just gave birth. If that doesn't work then I won't be able to do anything for him anymore as it's not the casino's concern why he continues to gamble.

As for the casino worker, that is not enough reason to fire him. He is just concern to the addicted gambler and did not do anything to the casino's profit

Doing so could be perceived as discrimination, something that could result in the casino having to pay a large fine. the player needs to make the decision himself to seek medical help, or perhaps the relatives can call a doctor to see the player and the doctor will determine if the player is sick or not. But casino cannot hire a psychologist without the customer's consent because it can be understood as if the casino is discriminating against people

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 07, 2022, 12:23:26 PM

If you were the casino manager would you fire the casino worker for interfering with your business or would you ban the gambler from visiting the casino?

This answer differs from person to person based on personality, If it is a greedy human...they may choose to quickly fire this casino worker, but if you consider that because of the relationship this worker has with this chronic gambler they have lost control and acted unprofessionally, you may just scold them and caution against such unprofessional acts, but at the same time consider what caused her to act recklessly and try to add such a user to exclusion list so they have restricted access to your casino, maybe it can assist after all just his loss will not affect your profit.

A casino manager should not be biased, but should always be balance in his decision making. Firing his staff will only cause another problem, so it would be better if he can talk to him in a serious way and advise him not to do it again, regardless of how the customer behaves. Also, the manager should not ban the gambler because he's still bringing profits to the casino. However, he can advise him to prioritize his family first especially that his wife needs more time and financial assistance from him. And that won't happen if he keeps gambling all his funds and lose everything in his pocket.

there are cases where the manager if he realizes that a certain player in symptoms of being addicted he can send the player away but this can also create another problem if the player goes to complain in court as the manager may have acted in good faith but he doesn't have any proof that the game is addicted so the court will give the player right

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 07, 2022, 12:23:26 PM

If you were the casino manager would you fire the casino worker for interfering with your business or would you ban the gambler from visiting the casino?

This answer differs from person to person based on personality, If it is a greedy human...they may choose to quickly fire this casino worker, but if you consider that because of the relationship this worker has with this chronic gambler they have lost control and acted unprofessionally, you may just scold them and caution against such unprofessional acts, but at the same time consider what caused her to act recklessly and try to add such a user to exclusion list so they have restricted access to your casino, maybe it can assist after all just his loss will not affect your profit.

A casino manager should not be biased, but should always be balance in his decision making. Firing his staff will only cause another problem, so it would be better if he can talk to him in a serious way and advise him not to do it again, regardless of how the customer behaves. Also, the manager should not ban the gambler because he's still bringing profits to the casino. However, he can advise him to prioritize his family first especially that his wife needs more time and financial assistance from him. And that won't happen if he keeps gambling all his funds and lose everything in his pocket.

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Strange that he always lose. Never seen such a guy that has a terrible luck. Maybe winning in gambling is not for him? And the reason why he keeps on gambling is maybe not because of the profit this time but because he only want to have fun.

When you use gambling for entertainment, you won't mind losing but he better tell that to the people around there so that they will worry less. In the case of the worker that is concerned at the gambler, if I am the owner and I found that out I think I will feel touched. I will give that worker a special treatment among my other workers because I like the attitude that he is showing towards our customers.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 07, 2022, 12:23:26 PM

I recently visited a land-based casino after a long time to gamble, have some drinks and enjoy live music with a couple of my good buddies. Not long after we settled in, we heard one of the casino workers yelling at one of the gamblers. He said, "Sir please you have to leave now. You come here every day and you keep losing. Please be considerate of your wife and your newborn babies." The backstory is that this particular man is a very popular gambler at the casino not because of his winnings but because he keeps losing. Despite his losses, he would return to the casino the next day to gamble. From the story, his wife had just been delivered with twins. I would later find out that the casino worker is his nephew.

If you were the casino manager would you fire the casino worker for interfering with your business or would you ban the gambler from visiting the casino?

I wouldn't fire the casino worker, I'll give to him a reward for what he has made.

Anyway, this happen because gambler addicted plays for lose and not for win, they didn't realize what they are doing and plays, always plays until they have finished every money that they have.

PS: maybe is nephew should be in contact with his wife in way to protect him.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 07, 2022, 12:23:26 PM

If you were the casino manager would you fire the casino worker for interfering with your business or would you ban the gambler from visiting the casino?

Banning the gambler won't do anything good to his gambling habit. He will just go to a different casino or gamble online. What I will do is I will invite a psychologist to the casino to talk to him abiout why is he still gambling everyday despite of his losses and his wife just gave birth. If that doesn't work then I won't be able to do anything for him anymore as it's not the casino's concern why he continues to gamble.

As for the casino worker, that is not enough reason to fire him. He is just concern to the addicted gambler and did not do anything to the casino's profit

inviting a psychologist to a gambling house is something that is impossible for a manager to do, in my opinion there is no correlation and benefit for a gambling house. it is fitting that if i were a manager i would ask why he is yelling at casino guests despite the brotherly bond between uncle and nephew. if his answer is illogical I will fire him and if he answer makes sense then I will just admonish him not to repeat this treatment to other guests. In my opinion, someone who visits a gambling house is a guest so they should be given good service. the worker should have taken his uncle out of the casino, reprimanded him and sent him home.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on July 07, 2022, 12:23:26 PM

If you were the casino manager would you fire the casino worker for interfering with your business or would you ban the gambler from visiting the casino?

He is aware and knows/casino owner/manager, gambling is high risk, moreover he was warned it was his nephew, obviously he gave good advice to his nephew, stop and think about his family, if I were in that land-based casino, I would do the same as that person.

Doesn't he realize, he's lost repeatedly in casino bets and he has a small child/wife that he needs and should take care of, he's gone astray if he doesn't heed what the land casino manager suggests, hopefully something like that doesn't happen to us.

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