on GLBSE you can log in and put email and payout address....and give up your identity.
That ain't acceptable to me. I never agreed to give that kind of information.
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That ain't acceptable to me. I never agreed to give that kind of information.
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Right. I'm a scammer because I opened an account, deposited, and then had the site shut down and my funds become inaccessible to me.
I had planned to buy some shares of ASICMINER. This makes me a "scammer investor"?
Your solution of "hire a lawyer" is a non-solution. The costs would severely outweigh the 50 BTC I seek to recover, even if the effort did manage to recover them, which I doubt it would.
I had planned to buy some shares of ASICMINER. This makes me a "scammer investor"?
Your solution of "hire a lawyer" is a non-solution. The costs would severely outweigh the 50 BTC I seek to recover, even if the effort did manage to recover them, which I doubt it would.
I did not say you were, but many of the customers are scammers. There is no way to tell you from a scammer account without verifying your identity.
on GLBSE you can log in and put email and payout address....and give up your identity.
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So he "blew his whistle" and ended the scam by taking our funds, in effect scamming us? That's a good one. I guess you consider the Greater Good to have been served by this?
Part of going to authorities is that he has to follow the law as he moves forward or risk incriminating himself even more. The legal system will handle the funds, he can't just send them back to the scammer investors. Talk to a lawyer and handle it properly.
Right. I'm a scammer because I opened an account, deposited, and then had the site shut down and my funds become inaccessible to me.
I had planned to buy some shares of ASICMINER. This makes me a "scammer investor"?
Your solution of "hire a lawyer" is a non-solution. The costs would severely outweigh the 50 BTC I seek to recover, even if the effort did manage to recover them, which I doubt it would.
To all you Nefario supporters who are blocking access, show yourselves. To you honest shareholders who know their identities, please reveal them to us.
I would post the names if I thought getting the password database was likely to help. But Nefario almost certainly changed the passwords.
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Was he under oath?
This is not relevant. None of the evidence against Nefario was presented under oath and thus by your standards none exists.
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If my memory serves me right, the sales of the shares were before the lawyer or FSA was brought into it. Some people might of even thought it would succeed and they would have even more value.
Theymos has admitted that his actions were in response to Nefario's desire to cease lawbreaking. Trying to monkey around with the timeline will not obfuscate that.
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Can you post and quote the "threat" for me, maybe I am missing something.
It was the context of the previously quoted interaction on the topic of wages.
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To all you Nefario supporters who are blocking access, show yourselves. To you honest shareholders who know their identities, please reveal them to us.
Do not attempt to intimidate people into illegally returning funds to scammers.
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We have received no proof at all that he did or that he even spoke to a lawyer.
Of the underlying ironies of this statement is that it supposes that this organization fell apart purely because of the threat the criminal nature would be revealed to the authorities. A company so vulnerable it was killed by a rumor is not worthless? Of course, Nefario did in fact go to the authorities but even had he not all it shows is Theymos was willing to dump worthless shares on this forum at even a rumor that his lawbreaking will be revealed.
GLBSE was a product created by BitcoinGlobal. BitcoinGlobal is an "Internet corporation" not registered anywhere. I believe that from the standpoint of the law, Nefario is sole proprietor of GLBSE and BitcoinGlobal doesn't exist. But BitcoinGlobal's bylaws can be enforced by this community.
CEO: Nefario
Secretary: ColdHardMetal
Accountant: ColdHardMetal
Treasurer: Me
Nefario's supporters are decent enough people. I don't want to open them up to harassment by releasing their names.
A major complicating factor in all of this is that without the database, there is no way to prove ownership of any assets or BTC that were held on GLBSE. Even if someone trustworthy had control of all of the user funds and was willing to repay everyone right now, without that database, there is no way to pay them out to users without blindly trusting all of the claims made.
Getting that database is imperative in order to have any hope of resolving this mess.
To all you Nefario supporters who are blocking access, show yourselves. To you honest shareholders who know their identities, please reveal them to us.
Getting that database is imperative in order to have any hope of resolving this mess.
To all you Nefario supporters who are blocking access, show yourselves. To you honest shareholders who know their identities, please reveal them to us.
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We have received no proof at all that he did or that he even spoke to a lawyer.
Of course we have proof. We have his testimony that he was doing so and we have the extreme reaction of his partners in crime who have tried to scam and extort their way out of this in response. The SEC is not going to publicly announce their response until they are ready to.
Was he under oath?
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Until the exchange shutdown, the shares had value.
The exchange itself was illegal and it was known the shutdown was imminent, there was no value in owning it.
If my memory serves me right, the sales of the shares were before the lawyer or FSA was brought into it. Some people might of even thought it would succeed and they would have even more value.
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Scam people out of wages, your the 2nd person to put this on here, where is the backup to this calm, I read the details just released, I didn't get that sense?
He threatened to withhold wages in response to Nefario's desire to cease breaking the law. That is extortion.
Can you post and quote the "threat" for me, maybe I am missing something.
We have received no proof at all that he did or that he even spoke to a lawyer.
Of course we have proof. We have his testimony that he was doing so and we have the extreme reaction of his partners in crime who have tried to scam and extort their way out of this in response. The SEC is not going to publicly announce their response until they are ready to.
Was he under oath?
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Until the exchange shutdown, the shares had value.
The exchange itself was illegal and it was known the shutdown was imminent, there was no value in owning it.
If my memory serves me right, the sales of the shares were before the lawyer or FSA was brought into it. Some people might of even thought it would succeed and they would have even more value.
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Scam people out of wages, your the 2nd person to put this on here, where is the backup to this calm, I read the details just released, I didn't get that sense?
He threatened to withhold wages in response to Nefario's desire to cease breaking the law. That is extortion.
Can you post and quote the "threat" for me, maybe I am missing something.
Nefario set the whole thing up in the first place so dont go bullshitting that anyone else put him up to it.
Still we don't know the entire situation at this point. Additional information may surface soon. I would encourage all people involved to present evidence of the entire chain of events leading up to the closing of site. Barring that, since I've now written off my losses, I'm going to stop caring what happens here.
P.S. Thanks for the prev. edit you adjusted it to say what I meant.
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So he "blew his whistle" and ended the scam by taking our funds, in effect scamming us? That's a good one. I guess you consider the Greater Good to have been served by this?
Part of going to authorities is that he has to follow the law as he moves forward or risk incriminating himself even more. The legal system will handle the funds, he can't just send them back to the scammer investors. Talk to a lawyer and handle it properly.
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Except that theymos seemingly was not made responsible for holding those funds. If he were, he should have them in hand right now.
He was the Treasurer, if someone is stealing the funds from him he should take the matter to the police.
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Is it illegal or criminal now?
Running an unregulated securities market is a violation of the law, yes.
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Scam people out of wages, your the 2nd person to put this on here, where is the backup to this calm, I read the details just released, I didn't get that sense?
He threatened to withhold wages in response to Nefario's desire to cease breaking the law. That is extortion.
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Until the exchange shutdown, the shares had value.
The exchange itself was illegal and it was known the shutdown was imminent, there was no value in owning it.
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Nefario set the whole thing up in the first place so dont go bullshitting that anyone else put him up to it.
He and his partners are all responsible for their actions. Nefario's decision to go the legal route now is one of those actions. Informers get treated lightly all the time, you have to do so or they never come forward and you can't stop crime and scams.
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We have received no proof at all that he did or that he even spoke to a lawyer.
Of course we have proof. We have his testimony that he was doing so and we have the extreme reaction of his partners in crime who have tried to scam and extort their way out of this in response. The SEC is not going to publicly announce their response until they are ready to.
I am also confused by this:
Then later theymos said:
So the contingency plan was a password to log into the database was encrypted by 4 people but no one was backing up a database to an another server, computer, or cloud? If this is correct? Who are the 5 people?
Nefario encrypted his entire password database with a shared key using Shamir's secret sharing. 4 out of the 5 shareholders Nefario selected would need to agree in order to access the database at all. There aren't enough people in agreement.
Then later theymos said:
I doubt the contingency plan which would have allowed shareholders to access the database still works. The plan allowed shareholders to get passwords (to the server and maybe the off-site backup service), but Nefario changed his passwords if he has any sense whatsoever. And to even try this I'd need to convince one of Nefario's two strongest supporters among the shareholders.
So the contingency plan was a password to log into the database was encrypted by 4 people but no one was backing up a database to an another server, computer, or cloud? If this is correct? Who are the 5 people?
Are people seriously thinking Nefario is the good guy in this? Are you all sheep? This has got to be some troll bait, no one can be that stupid...
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
Nobody is a good guy here, but all sides have admitted Nefario is the one thief who was willing to blow the whistle and contact the authorities. Punishing the whistleblower will only promote more scams. Punish instead the folks who have been going out of their way to stop him by trying to extort him using his wages and launching this public smear campaign full of selective leaks of information.
Nefario set the whole thing up in the first place so dont go bullshitting that anyone else put him up to it.
Exactly and he didn't blow any whistle. He went to try to make his exchange legit and his illusions of grandeur disappear. The FSA was probably SO HAPPY his lawyer made it so easy for them to shut down GBLSE they were like, "fuck it, tell him if he does like like NOW, we won't even through him in jail". Regardless of your opinion, running an unlicensed equity exchange is highly illegal in just about everywhere.
Are people seriously thinking Nefario is the good guy in this? Are you all sheep? This has got to be some troll bait, no one can be that stupid...
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
Nobody is a good guy here, but all sides have admitted Nefario is the one thief who was willing to blow the whistle and contact the authorities. Punishing the whistleblower will only promote more scams. Punish instead the folks who have been going out of their way to stop him by trying to extort him using his wages and launching this public smear campaign full of selective leaks of information.
He may have contacted a lawyer, I didn't see anywhere it said he contacted the authorities or any proof of that at all. Who knows if he was being honest about contacting a lawyer or just giving himself an excuse for needed time without talking.... regardless his deadlines are up and there is nothing that should be preventing him from explaining what is going on, if he was able to update his webpage and able to log into the forums he can comment.
Please do show me where he contacted the authorities?
We have received no proof at all that he did or that he even spoke to a lawyer.
Are people seriously thinking Nefario is the good guy in this? Are you all sheep? This has got to be some troll bait, no one can be that stupid...
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
Nobody is a good guy here, but all sides have admitted Nefario is the one thief who was willing to blow the whistle and contact the authorities. Punishing the whistleblower will only promote more scams. Punish instead the folks who have been going out of their way to stop him by trying to extort him using his wages and launching this public smear campaign full of selective leaks of information.
He may have contacted a lawyer, I didn't see anywhere it said he contacted the authorities or any proof of that at all. Who knows if he was being honest about contacting a lawyer or just giving himself an excuse for needed time without talking.... regardless his deadlines are up and there is nothing that should be preventing him from explaining what is going on, if he was able to update his webpage and able to log into the forums he can comment.
Please do show me where he contacted the authorities?
Are people seriously thinking Nefario is the good guy in this? Are you all sheep? This has got to be some troll bait, no one can be that stupid...
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
Nobody is a good guy here, but all sides have admitted Nefario is the one thief who was willing to blow the whistle and contact the authorities. Punishing the whistleblower will only promote more scams. Punish instead the folks who have been going out of their way to stop him by trying to extort him using his wages and launching this public smear campaign full of selective leaks of information.
Nefario set the whole thing up in the first place so dont go bullshitting that anyone else put him up to it.
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Rarity - How is it "obvious" that was the true motivation?
Because had Theymos been pure of heart and purely motivated by the desire to end scams he would not have been a part of this illegal organization in the first place and he would not have been trying to scam people out of wages to try and extort them not to go to police and he would not have been trying to dump worthless shares on a forum he holds a position of power over. This is the internal politics of a criminal conspiracy spilling out on the Innocent members of this forum, nothing more.
Is it illegal or criminal now? Legality is something that is determined by enforcers of law, criminality is doing something with the intent to do harm or fraud.
Scam people out of wages, your the 2nd person to put this on here, where is the backup to this calm, I read the details just released, I didn't get that sense?
Until the exchange shutdown, the shares had value.
Sometimes you have to let whistleblowers and informants off the hook for the greater good. The other choice is our current path, in which we punish people for trying to end scams because the scammers request it.
So he "blew his whistle" and ended the scam by taking our funds, in effect scamming us? That's a good one. I guess you consider the Greater Good to have been served by this?
Have you reported this theft of customer funds you were responsible for as treasurer to the proper authorities?
Except that theymos seemingly was not made responsible for holding those funds. If he were, he should have them in hand right now.
Are people seriously thinking Nefario is the good guy in this? Are you all sheep? This has got to be some troll bait, no one can be that stupid...
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
Nobody is a good guy here, but all sides have admitted Nefario is the one thief who was willing to blow the whistle and contact the authorities. Punishing the whistleblower will only promote more scams. Punish instead the folks who have been going out of their way to stop him by trying to extort him using his wages and launching this public smear campaign full of selective leaks of information.
Are people seriously thinking Nefario is the good guy in this? Are you all sheep? This has got to be some troll bait, no one can be that stupid...
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
In no way is Nefario anything but a crook, its just a matter of if the thief stole from his fellow thieves or if the other parties are innocent.
Nefario is the one with all the money and not talking. This was far too quick for a government agency to get involved any more than a very tip of a start of an investigation, there was no time for gag orders or imprisonment or anything even close to causing Nefario to only have communication via his index.html page which he failed to meet his own deadline.
Come on sheep, wake up, he took your money, he is a thief and we will only see more of the truth in the coming days/weeks....
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