EDIT: I had to change "I'd say" to "I'd guess" because k3t3r would go on a 10 post rant about how I am a liar with no proof and then when I tell him "I'd say" means I am guessing per the definition of the phrase he'd think I was admitting to jumping to my own conclusions without evidence... so just for the record in case k3t3r gets freaked out, I have no evidence of this, these are just my opinions and thoughts.
Topic: Nefario - page 57. (Read 198705 times)
EDIT: I had to change "I'd say" to "I'd guess" because k3t3r would go on a 10 post rant about how I am a liar with no proof and then when I tell him "I'd say" means I am guessing per the definition of the phrase he'd think I was admitting to jumping to my own conclusions without evidence... so just for the record in case k3t3r gets freaked out, I have no evidence of this, these are just my opinions and thoughts.
And I call fucking bullshit, Theymos said the funds are "anonymous user funds" they are not operating expenses and shareholder funds.
My understanding is based upon the most recent email from the secretary.
Quote
The address is: 18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz
theymos: If you feel that is a secure address, then send away.
Nefario: Note that this means all of BG's operating funds are in my
hands once they arrive at that address.
theymos: If you feel that is a secure address, then send away.
Nefario: Note that this means all of BG's operating funds are in my
hands once they arrive at that address.
So as a review... he said 18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz is the paperwallet address, he also said that funds sent to that address would not be given to Nefario, then in the above referenced post he quotes a conversation between Theymos and Nefario that Nefario says the funds are in his hands when they arrive at that address.
Does that work for you?
At this point, Nefario should make a public statement on the status or start paying out deposit funds REGARDLESS if CHM or Theymos sent him what looks to be 9% of the total funds on deposit.
He could try and play that game with Goat but this is too far. If this doesn't happen very soon then we should conclude that either he is keeping them or they have been seized.
I know people are upset and don't like this answer but in the end, we need to root out all the scammy activities in Bitcoin and this forum if we want to move forward and create an environment where real business interests can prosper.
He could try and play that game with Goat but this is too far. If this doesn't happen very soon then we should conclude that either he is keeping them or they have been seized.
I know people are upset and don't like this answer but in the end, we need to root out all the scammy activities in Bitcoin and this forum if we want to move forward and create an environment where real business interests can prosper.
Nefario also has no reason to not be sending "claim codes" to the asset issuers. This does not require any bitcoin funds (operational or user) to achieve. If they are not received in the next few days I am going to assume he has deleting the information.
EDIT: I had to change "I'd say" to "I'd guess" because k3t3r would go on a 10 post rant about how I am a liar with no proof and then when I tell him "I'd say" means I am guessing per the definition of the phrase he'd think I was admitting to jumping to my own conclusions without evidence... so just for the record in case k3t3r gets freaked out, I have no evidence of this, these are just my opinions and thoughts.
As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario.
And in another post he referenced once the funds were transferred that Nefario would have complete control of them.
can you reference the post where he said this?
If someone else asked then yes I could, you asking, I'm not going to waste my time finding it. People actually fully and completely reading the thread and comprehending have already seen it, you've proven to me you don't fully read or comprehend my posts.
Here:
And I call fucking bullshit, Theymos said the funds are "anonymous user funds" they are not operating expenses and shareholder funds.
My understanding is based upon the most recent email from the secretary.
Quote
The address is: 18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz
theymos: If you feel that is a secure address, then send away.
Nefario: Note that this means all of BG's operating funds are in my
hands once they arrive at that address.
theymos: If you feel that is a secure address, then send away.
Nefario: Note that this means all of BG's operating funds are in my
hands once they arrive at that address.
So as a review... he said 18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz is the paperwallet address, he also said that funds sent to that address would not be given to Nefario, then in the above referenced post he quotes a conversation between Theymos and Nefario that Nefario says the funds are in his hands when they arrive at that address.
Does that work for you?
At this point, Nefario should make a public statement on the status or start paying out deposit funds REGARDLESS if CHM or Theymos sent him what looks to be 9% of the total funds on deposit.
He could try and play that game with Goat but this is too far. If this doesn't happen very soon then we should conclude that either he is keeping them or they have been seized.
I know people are upset and don't like this answer but in the end, we need to root out all the scammy activities in Bitcoin and this forum if we want to move forward and create an environment where real business interests can prosper.
He could try and play that game with Goat but this is too far. If this doesn't happen very soon then we should conclude that either he is keeping them or they have been seized.
I know people are upset and don't like this answer but in the end, we need to root out all the scammy activities in Bitcoin and this forum if we want to move forward and create an environment where real business interests can prosper.
Nefario also has no reason to not be sending "claim codes" to the asset issuers. This does not require any bitcoin funds (operational or user) to achieve. If they are not received in the next few days I am going to assume he has deleting the information.
I know people are upset and don't like this answer but in the end, we need to root out all the scammy activities in Bitcoin and this forum if we want to move forward and create an environment where real business interests can prosper.
This is pretty much the idea, yes.
My understanding is based upon the most recent email from the secretary.
The motion was:
Code:
[05/10/2012 18:32:35]I propose a motion to have theymos return the user BTC which has in his posstion for the purpose of allowing me to repay users
So I sent CHM only the amount of BTC designated as user funds. I still hold the operating funds.
How about releasing all the meeting minutes instead of just bits and pieces. If it is OK to post parts of the minutes then it is OK to post it all.
As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario.
And in another post he referenced once the funds were transferred that Nefario would have complete control of them.
can you reference the post where he said this?
If someone else asked then yes I could, you asking, I'm not going to waste my time finding it. People actually fully and completely reading the thread and comprehending have already seen it, you've proven to me you don't fully read or comprehend my posts.
on a side note, i just wanted to quote Nefario:
I do not agree to your proposal.
Then you're asset holders should push to have you prosecuted for fraud.
You have a fiduciary duty to your asset holders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_duty
And you have been given all the information needed to carry that duty out.
I do not agree to your proposal.
Then you're asset holders should push to have you prosecuted for fraud.
You have a fiduciary duty to your asset holders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_duty
And you have been given all the information needed to carry that duty out.
I reread that post just yesterday, it is so ironic, right?
Man, he doesn't understand his own words.
on a side note, i just wanted to quote Nefario:
I do not agree to your proposal.
Then you're asset holders should push to have you prosecuted for fraud.
You have a fiduciary duty to your asset holders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_duty
And you have been given all the information needed to carry that duty out.
I do not agree to your proposal.
Then you're asset holders should push to have you prosecuted for fraud.
You have a fiduciary duty to your asset holders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_duty
And you have been given all the information needed to carry that duty out.
I reread that post just yesterday, it is so ironic, right?
As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario.
And in another post he referenced once the funds were transferred that Nefario would have complete control of them.
can you reference the post where he said this?
If someone else asked then yes I could, you asking, I'm not going to waste my time finding it. People actually fully and completely reading the thread and comprehending have already seen it, you've proven to me you don't fully read or comprehend my posts.
on a side note, i just wanted to quote Nefario:
I do not agree to your proposal.
Then you're asset holders should push to have you prosecuted for fraud.
You have a fiduciary duty to your asset holders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_duty
And you have been given all the information needed to carry that duty out.
I do not agree to your proposal.
Then you're asset holders should push to have you prosecuted for fraud.
You have a fiduciary duty to your asset holders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_duty
And you have been given all the information needed to carry that duty out.
As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario.
And in another post he referenced once the funds were transferred that Nefario would have complete control of them.
can you reference the post where he said this?
Regardless of the sticky issue of the user funds (which is really my chief concern here and where my vested interest lies), can we get some action on the share ownership database?
Let's see that get distributed to some trusted part(ies) who can break up the data into one set per asset issuer and hand that data over to each issuer (please).
Is there any reason not to move forward on that front?
Let's see that get distributed to some trusted part(ies) who can break up the data into one set per asset issuer and hand that data over to each issuer (please).
Is there any reason not to move forward on that front?
+100 - this will allow issuer and holders to start going over options.
As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario.
And in another post he referenced once the funds were transferred that Nefario would have complete control of them.
I don't expect you to read my posts or listen to me anyways with the crap you pulled yesterday:
however the person making this claim has in the same post as he made the claim admitted that it is fine to jump to his own concllusions with no evidence therefore IMO weaking his own allegations. If he is going to make allegations such as this after discrediting himself he should need to provide evidence if he is to be taken seriously.
Your full of false accusations and jumping to your own conclusions. Well... who does it look like was right now?
Regardless of the sticky issue of the user funds (which is really my chief concern here and where my vested interest lies), can we get some action on the share ownership database?
Let's see that get distributed to some trusted part(ies) who can break up the data into one set per asset issuer and hand that data over to each issuer (please).
Is there any reason not to move forward on that front?
Let's see that get distributed to some trusted part(ies) who can break up the data into one set per asset issuer and hand that data over to each issuer (please).
Is there any reason not to move forward on that front?
I'm now ignored for pointing out complete lies like this one:
Must not have been these funds.
May we have the public address of said paper wallet please, so that we may keep an eye on them?
May we have the public address of said paper wallet please, so that we may keep an eye on them?
I don't see any reason why this cannot be released. 18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz
The funds tied to that address are now in control of BG's secretary.
Which is bullshit, why send ~800btc more to be controlled by Nefario when he already has ~8000btc of illegally obtained funds?
What will giving Nefario ~800btc more do that he couldn't have done with the ~8000btc?
What will giving Nefario ~800btc more do that he couldn't have done with the ~8000btc?
As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario. He only accepted them reluctantly (rather than have Theymos keep them) so that Nefario would have no reason to not begin dispersing customer funds.
People need to wake up and take note of this.
Your missing the point, it doesn't matter. What matters is that people funds are being held for pretty "thin" reasons and issuers have been given the ability to just do nothing because they don't have the records they need to move forward. All this "he said" "she said" is dancing around the real issue and it is serving as a distraction.
Let quit pretending to know what happened in their GBLSE shareholder meetings. Theymos said his peace and is taking his action at this point until he get clarity along with the rest of us.
Nefario needs to make a statement and make good on his obligations.
Sure it was odd timing on when the GBLSE shares went on the market but we don't know what was going on behind the scenes and unless you actually bought some, quit complaining. We need to push for the right thing to happen and that is people getting paid back and issuers being able to meet their obligations.
I feel so bad for all the users of the GBLSE. I really do feel bad for you right now, I wish I would put on more pressure to get things moving.
I'm now ignored for pointing out complete lies like this one:
Must not have been these funds.
May we have the public address of said paper wallet please, so that we may keep an eye on them?
May we have the public address of said paper wallet please, so that we may keep an eye on them?
I don't see any reason why this cannot be released. 18bEUAuzWg97swzHXzK4prGGYSBAMCUgz
The funds tied to that address are now in control of BG's secretary.
Which is bullshit, why send ~800btc more to be controlled by Nefario when he already has ~8000btc of illegally obtained funds?
What will giving Nefario ~800btc more do that he couldn't have done with the ~8000btc?
What will giving Nefario ~800btc more do that he couldn't have done with the ~8000btc?
As I said, the funds were sent to the secretary, not Nefario. He only accepted them reluctantly (rather than have Theymos keep them) so that Nefario would have no reason to not begin dispersing customer funds.
People need to wake up and take note of this.
At this point, Nefario should make a public statement on the status or start paying out deposit funds REGARDLESS if CHM or Theymos sent him what looks to be 9% of the total funds on deposit.
He could try and play that game with Goat but this is too far. If this doesn't happen very soon then we should conclude that either he is keeping them or they have been seized.
I know people are upset and don't like this answer but in the end, we need to root out all the scammy activities in Bitcoin and this forum if we want to move forward and create an environment where real business interests can prosper.
He could try and play that game with Goat but this is too far. If this doesn't happen very soon then we should conclude that either he is keeping them or they have been seized.
I know people are upset and don't like this answer but in the end, we need to root out all the scammy activities in Bitcoin and this forum if we want to move forward and create an environment where real business interests can prosper.
Agreed.
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