Topic: Nefario - page 52. (Read 198705 times)
Why do I have visions of Amir and Nefario sitting around trying to fix this while high?
I suggest that users block this profile if you are facebook users:
en-gb.facebook.com/GLBSEbot
en-gb.facebook.com/GLBSEbot
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Maybe he should ask Amir, Donald and Patrick to help him process claims. ::d&r::
he even tweeted it, lmao:
except he forgot to mention in the tweet that users will need to photograph themself with their username.
i think confirming our email addresses much like a password reset procedure would be sufficient verification, since that's all we were required to do for signing up and purchasing/listing assets.
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Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.
Maybe he should ask Amir, Donald and Patrick to help him process claims. ::d&r::
Maybe they can
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Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.
Maybe he should ask Amir, Donald and Patrick to help him process claims. ::d&r::
Actually, they probably would hold up in court if you have the minutes of meetings and personal communications between the owners of BitcoinGlobal. It would be more cut and dry if you had a registered agreement, but partnerships don't have to be registered with a governmental body in some jurisdictions.
From what theymos has posted, BG has fuck all funds which are not user/asset issuer funds. If the shareholders (who are really just partners) were willing to front the cost of legal action themselves, they could pursue legal recourse, but there's no guarantee they'd recover their out-lay or that any action would be rapid. This is the kind of situation where it's great if you have a lawyer on stand-by ready to file an emergency motion the moment the shareholders' meeting ends but no-one had that foresight.
The only income Nefario had was getting paid from GLBSE. It would be pretty pointless.
You seem to still trust what Nefario says.
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The funny part is bitcoinglobal paid for the lawyer he went to see so in effect it paid for its own destruction.
Hilarious.
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Honest GLBSE officers and shareholders, please intervene and give us a reasonable means to reclaim our funds and assets. One that does not require us to place additional trust where it clearly should not be placed.
We would, but we have no way of bypassing Nefario. I don't believe our bylaws would be legally recognized, so legal action probably wouldn't be effective. And we don't have enough operating funds to pursue legal action anyway.
At this point, even if you don't have the duplicate, a broken, incomplete or old database would do.
The only income Nefario had was getting paid from GLBSE. It would be pretty pointless.
I think people were suggesting emergency legal action to wrest control of GLBSE away from Nefario rather than to seek compensation. People feel like he's holding their funds hostage and that no mechanism has been put in place to allow them to deal with asset-issuers directly.
They don't trust him - and to be fair, I'd be worried that he'll use information ostensibly gathered to wind down GLBSE in his new venture, just like Zhou spammed Bitcoinica users when he started NameTerrific - and they want the process in the hands of someone else. That's only going to happen if either Nefario agrees to delegate the process to someone else or if he's legally forced to do so. Users feel powerless and abandoned by the other partners - they feel like nobody who is in a position to take action against Nefario is willing to do so, and I can't blame them for that.
Actually, they probably would hold up in court if you have the minutes of meetings and personal communications between the owners of BitcoinGlobal. It would be more cut and dry if you had a registered agreement, but partnerships don't have to be registered with a governmental body in some jurisdictions.
From what theymos has posted, BG has fuck all funds which are not user/asset issuer funds. If the shareholders (who are really just partners) were willing to front the cost of legal action themselves, they could pursue legal recourse, but there's no guarantee they'd recover their out-lay or that any action would be rapid. This is the kind of situation where it's great if you have a lawyer on stand-by ready to file an emergency motion the moment the shareholders' meeting ends but no-one had that foresight.
The only income Nefario had was getting paid from GLBSE. It would be pretty pointless.
The funny part is bitcoinglobal paid for the lawyer he went to see so in effect it paid for its own destruction.
Actually, they probably would hold up in court if you have the minutes of meetings and personal communications between the owners of BitcoinGlobal. It would be more cut and dry if you had a registered agreement, but partnerships don't have to be registered with a governmental body in some jurisdictions.
From what theymos has posted, BG has fuck all funds which are not user/asset issuer funds. If the shareholders (who are really just partners) were willing to front the cost of legal action themselves, they could pursue legal recourse, but there's no guarantee they'd recover their out-lay or that any action would be rapid. This is the kind of situation where it's great if you have a lawyer on stand-by ready to file an emergency motion the moment the shareholders' meeting ends but no-one had that foresight.
I only hope we all have the good sense to stay away from GLBSE 3.0 if Nefario is in any way involved.
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The BitcoinGlobal shareholders can't keep their CEO from stealing the GLBSE database so why not release their names?
Theymos should consult a lawyer and come clean with whatever information he has to the authorities. This vigilantism is just an extension of lawless unregulated situation that allowed this scam to thrive.
How many times are you going to post this crap. Give it a rest, that's not the solution for everything.
Honest GLBSE officers and shareholders, please intervene and give us a reasonable means to reclaim our funds and assets. One that does not require us to place additional trust where it clearly should not be placed.
We would, but we have no way of bypassing Nefario. I don't believe our bylaws would be legally recognized, so legal action probably wouldn't be effective. And we don't have enough operating funds to pursue legal action anyway.
Actually, they probably would hold up in court if you have the minutes of meetings and personal communications between the owners of BitcoinGlobal. It would be more cut and dry if you had a registered agreement, but partnerships don't have to be registered with a governmental body in some jurisdictions.
Honest GLBSE officers and shareholders, please intervene and give us a reasonable means to reclaim our funds and assets. One that does not require us to place additional trust where it clearly should not be placed.
We would, but we have no way of bypassing Nefario. I don't believe our bylaws would be legally recognized, so legal action probably wouldn't be effective. And we don't have enough operating funds to pursue legal action anyway.
Oh man, you really want mugshots from us? lololol
Also I am not sure I can provide point 3, would be a letter from health insurance also ok??
This is much worse than mtgox AML, I have an account on gox and cash in-out only in btc
and never had to verify...
Also I am not sure I can provide point 3, would be a letter from health insurance also ok??
This is much worse than mtgox AML, I have an account on gox and cash in-out only in btc
and never had to verify...
This is ridiculous, asking people to place even more trust and sensitive data in the hands of someone who is at best grossly incompetent, and at worst a thief.
Honest GLBSE officers and shareholders, please intervene and give us a reasonable means to reclaim our funds and assets. One that does not require us to place additional trust where it clearly should not be placed.
Honest GLBSE officers and shareholders, please intervene and give us a reasonable means to reclaim our funds and assets. One that does not require us to place additional trust where it clearly should not be placed.
GLBSE was a product created by BitcoinGlobal. BitcoinGlobal is an "Internet corporation" not registered anywhere. I believe that from the standpoint of the law, Nefario is sole proprietor of GLBSE and BitcoinGlobal doesn't exist. But BitcoinGlobal's bylaws can be enforced by this community.
CEO: Nefario
Secretary: ColdHardMetal
Accountant: ColdHardMetal
Treasurer: Me
Nefario's supporters are decent enough people. I don't want to open them up to harassment by releasing their names.
You can't enforce BitcoinGlobal's bylaws unless you release the other shareholders names. If you are unwilling to do that then the only confirmed shareholders of BitcoinGlobal is:
Nefario, ColdHardMetal, you, and bitcoin.me
I thought a few minutes ago the front page only required email address and payout address.
a photo of me with my username on a piece of paper?
what kind of joke is this?
a photo of me with my username on a piece of paper?
what kind of joke is this?
As one person mentioned somewhere just scan a picture of your nutsack and send it in! I mean really how are they going to know its you?
Is there any reference on that page to how the data will be stored and for how long? There are usually a shit load of laws regarding collecting information which contains unique government identifiers and you're usually required to inform users of the specific legislation which requires the collection information, what the information will be used for, any privacy legislation which applies to the collection of the data, etc. Nefario needs to get his hot-shot lawyer to draft a notice regarding the authority to collect the information and the data protection measures which will be taken. He also needs to inform people of how long the information will be retained. In FATF nations (of which the UK is one), data collected for AML/KYC purposes is generally required to be kept for 5-7 years.
Said even more pointedly in another thread:
Haven't seen that request, but if they're requesting personal information there's a few points they need to clear up first:
1. If the information is for AML purposes then which AML supervisor are they registered with? In the uK there's about 8 different supervisors, depending on the nature of your business (IF your business is one subject to the AML legislation). The obvious one for them would be the FSA (which covers financial service providers) but there ARE others (e.g. casinos have the gambling/gaming commission). If they're requesting information for AML purposes then they need to be registered with one of the designated supervisory bodies.
2. If it's for AML purposes then a link please to their AML compliance policy.
3. If not for AML purposes then what is this information going to be used for? And how long will it be retained for? This is information they're obligated to provide under the Data Protection Act.
4. Irrespective of the answers above, link please to their DPA compliance policy/statement?
5. Can GLBSE please confirm that they have professional indemnity insurance covering them against loss or misuse of clients' data.
6. What is their intention in respect of anyone who refuses to provide the documents but requests their funds returned? Will they just keep the money? Report them as a suspected money launderer? Turn their BTC over to the police?
As soon as I receive the request referred to in OP I'll be emailing requesting the above information (can't check my email right now - assume that's where it is). If they refuse to answer the questions but persist in requesting the information then I will next send a formal request for my funds (providing my name/address but not giving any documents which would allow identity theft).
1. If the information is for AML purposes then which AML supervisor are they registered with? In the uK there's about 8 different supervisors, depending on the nature of your business (IF your business is one subject to the AML legislation). The obvious one for them would be the FSA (which covers financial service providers) but there ARE others (e.g. casinos have the gambling/gaming commission). If they're requesting information for AML purposes then they need to be registered with one of the designated supervisory bodies.
2. If it's for AML purposes then a link please to their AML compliance policy.
3. If not for AML purposes then what is this information going to be used for? And how long will it be retained for? This is information they're obligated to provide under the Data Protection Act.
4. Irrespective of the answers above, link please to their DPA compliance policy/statement?
5. Can GLBSE please confirm that they have professional indemnity insurance covering them against loss or misuse of clients' data.
6. What is their intention in respect of anyone who refuses to provide the documents but requests their funds returned? Will they just keep the money? Report them as a suspected money launderer? Turn their BTC over to the police?
As soon as I receive the request referred to in OP I'll be emailing requesting the above information (can't check my email right now - assume that's where it is). If they refuse to answer the questions but persist in requesting the information then I will next send a formal request for my funds (providing my name/address but not giving any documents which would allow identity theft).
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