Topic: Nefario - page 55. (Read 198705 times)

It looks like Nefario was working with the company with a 24% ownership stake.   A member of a LLC or a Executive doesn't not need a salary in all situations.  There are many CEOs that only accept $1 as compensation because of their equity position.

Also using the statement fairly certain means nothing and just adds to speculation on your part.  This is serious so you need to do better.

Nefario likely thanks you for your gift, send him an email to make sure he knows which account has been gifted to him.

Theymos said earlier that there are 8-9 shareholders.  We know who 4 of the shareholders are:
Nefario
Theymos
ColdHardMetal
bitcoin.me

Because had Theymos been pure of heart and purely motivated by the desire to end scams he would not have been a part of this illegal organization in the first place and he would not have been trying to scam people out of wages to try and extort them not to go to police and he would not have been trying to dump worthless shares on a forum he holds a position of power over.  This is the internal politics of a criminal conspiracy spilling out on the Innocent members of this forum, nothing more.

"criminal organization" that is a bold statement Rarity.  I see you dodged my earlier question to you.   Here it is encase you missed it:


Quote from: Rarity on October 09, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
That is what they claim, however the true motive is quite obviously revenge on Nefario for blowing the whistle and preventing Theymos from dumping the stock on the forums.  Had Nefario allowed that final scam to go through, Theymos would never have complained just like he never complained before about the illegal activity they were engaged in.


Rarity - How is it "obvious" that was the true motivation?  It is a theory but it is not obvious.   Also Nefario said this was a majority of his income so why would he kill his proverbial "golden goose" on purpose?

From what we can find in public record, would support that he tried to go legit and got shut down OR he had something other game plan going and this was part of it.

That's a good idea - time for full disclosure. It's looking more and more like your 'company' was taking advantage of nef, and when he didn't get something(s) he was promised he turned the tables on you by going to the authorities and revealing your grey-market-ness.

Also - tho bitcoinglobal may have been operating at a loss -  I'm fairly certain that GLBSE was turning a tidy profit. Also the dishonestly of everyone involved in this whole fiasco shows through, when people are trying to sell shares in a defunct company (insider trading at the very best).

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On that note - Nefario can keep the balance of my account on GLBSE, all shares I owned etc. Consider it my personal gift to Nefario for the good work he's done up to and including going to the authorities.

lol @ criminal organisation.

Your fastest course of action is to contact a lawyer and law enforcement to help finish what Nefario has started and bring this criminal organization down. 

Given that things have schismed this badly, I don't think it's inappropriate to ask just who these supporters are.

I think we should know who all the GLBSE officers are, and I think that we need to hold every one of them fully responsible for our losses.

If GLBSE were still a whole entity, they could reasonably hide behind it, but the fact is that GLBSE the entity is broken.


A few are listed here, though the data is old.  Can anyone tell if this list is complete and accurate?

Also I'm confused about the distinction and relationship between GLBSE and BitcoinGlobal.

I would want more transcripts as well, every detail is adding to the big picture.

Whistleblower?
 
I think he's a something-else blower.  

I think you have the wrong word there.

If he was just blowing his whistle, we should be expecting our money back.

Why would it not be given all the other shit that was listed ? GLBSE was a platform not a judge of what is allowed in canada or any other geographical location you are in with its own local mafia rules.

I am reminded of this. Nefario was fighting for his monthly wage just days before shutting down GLBSE.

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No I'm NOT ok with no wages.

Anyway, I've just spoken to the lawyer who has just heard back from
the FSA. So all this talk is moot and should wait until the meeting on
Friday, which I will be attending.

I suggest everyone be there, it's going to be essential.

Nefario.

On 02/10/12 16:51, theymos wrote:
> So you're OK with not taking a wage for September?
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Nefario wrote: I have not
> requested to be paid any wages.
>
> On 02/10/12 16:44, theymos wrote:
>>>> Nefario has requested that I pay him 269.91 BTC from the
>>>> treasury as previously agreed to by shareholders. But
>>>> considering that BitcoinGlobal's *gross* income was only
>>>> 360.33 BTC in September and BitcoinGlobal only has ~1000 BTC,
>>>> I feel that we cannot afford to lose this much money.
>>>> Therefore, I move that Nefario not be paid for September.
>>>> This would improve BitcoinGlobal's net income in September
>>>> from -657.93 BTC to -388.02.
>>>>
>>>> This is not a contract violation with Nefario because we do
>>>> not have an agreement with him to pay him BTC for his work.
>>>> We only agreed amongst ourselves to send him money.
>>>>
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Have you reported this theft of customer funds you were responsible for as treasurer to the proper authorities?

Well, I think you remember that night when you tried to steal my idea by copy/pasting my business model on bitcointalk as your own idea?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cancelled-ozlotto-98743

you said "I don't see why not" when asked if gambling securities were allowed on GLBSE.

YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

I doubt the contingency plan which would have allowed shareholders to access the database still works. The plan allowed shareholders to get passwords (to the server and maybe the off-site backup service), but Nefario changed his passwords if he has any sense whatsoever. And to even try this I'd need to convince one of Nefario's two strongest supporters among the shareholders.


I haven't decided whether I should release it publicly. I did send a copy to BadBear, if you want independent verification on anything.


Nefario is acting independently. He stole GLBSE from BitcoinGlobal, but BitcoinGlobal still exists. I continue to hold the operating funds as treasurer (presumably to be distributed among shareholders once we're sure there are no more outstanding debts), and CHM is still acting as secretary and accountant. But Nefario is not working with us except to get the funds we have.

No I dont. But Im sure you dont have all the registration documents for offering a security to the public.

*given what we now know.

You sure are quite a troll.  You have no right to say what is and isn't legal on GLBSE, from what I hear like 100% of the tickers on GLBSE were either legal or illegal, depends who you ask.  

As I have previously mentioned, I believe that had he not decided to blow the whistle on Theymos and the rest who wanted to continue the scam he would deserve the tag.  Sometimes you have to let whistleblowers and informants off the hook for the greater good.  The other choice is our current path, in which we punish people for trying to end scams because the scammers request it. 

No, but I think that was the estimated total of coins Nef has of GLBSE users' (900 being what Theymos has).

No he has an illegal gambling security on glbse