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April 04, 2014, 02:39:53 PM

First thing I thought of.
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April 04, 2014, 02:10:08 PM
Don't forget that Cyprus Central bank gov resigned on 10/03/2014

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26521036
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Circle gets the Square
April 04, 2014, 02:09:31 PM
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On March 28, 2014 Havelock Investments halted trading of the NEOBEE Fund; Havelock Investments has yet to receive any formal information in regards to the questionable trading activity on the LMB share platform website. We have not received any formal information on the current situation at LMB Holdings. Due to those factors we have decided that the unit holders on the NEOBEE Fund should no longer be suspended from trading their units. The Fund will now be designated as NEOBEEQ to reflect the uncertainty of the future of LMB Holdings – NEO BEE Ltd. Financial information on the status of the company has not been released. The units of this Fund will continue to trade even if the company will file for bankruptcy. We will continue to update you if any information is provided to us.

Trading will resume today at 5:00 PM EST

Thank you for investing with Havelock Investments!
https://www.havelockinvestments.com
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April 04, 2014, 01:54:49 PM
Possible movie scenarios(yes I know I have huge imagination, so sorry for very possible bullshits) :
[ ... ]

What about

d) The Central Bank looked at the proposal (unexperienced CEO unfamiliar with the Cypriot market, tiny capital, extremely volatile assets with no real backing, vague business plans, etc.) , concluded that it would end up badly for the customers, and did what their public mission required them to do.
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April 04, 2014, 01:46:30 PM
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I liked WANNABEE  Grin

But we need , not just
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April 04, 2014, 01:36:50 PM
Does anyone know why the change from NEOBEE to NEOBEEQ on https://www.havelockinvestments.com?

Because NEOBEE.ROFL breaks their software?

Other names submitted by our readers:
NEOBEE.OMG.BBQ
NEOBAGEE


I liked WANNABEE  Grin
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Jesus was a (Goddamn) hippy socialist
April 04, 2014, 01:35:56 PM
so sell or hodl? Huh
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April 04, 2014, 01:32:57 PM
Does anyone know why the change from NEOBEE to NEOBEEQ on https://www.havelockinvestments.com?

Because NEOBEE.ROFL breaks their software?

Other names submitted by our readers:
NEOBEE.OMG.BBQ
NEOBAGEE

@bitcoin.newsfeed:  If I could buy popcorn directly from Havelock...
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April 04, 2014, 01:29:08 PM
Does anyone know why the change from NEOBEE to NEOBEEQ on https://www.havelockinvestments.com?

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April 4, 2014

On March 28, 2014 Havelock Investments halted trading of the NEOBEE Fund; Havelock Investments has yet to receive any formal information in regards to the questionable trading activity on the LMB share platform website. We have not received any formal information on the current situation at LMB Holdings. Due to those factors we have decided that the unit holders on the NEOBEE Fund should no longer be suspended from trading their units. The Fund will now be designated as NEOBEEQ to reflect the uncertainty of the future of LMB Holdings – NEO BEE Ltd. Financial information on the status of the company has not been released. The units of this Fund will continue to trade even if the company will file for bankruptcy. We will continue to update you if any information is provided to us.
Trading will resume today at 5:00 PM EST

Prepare for huge dump at 5:00 PM EST and trading fees for Havelock  Cool  so its like 3 hours and 30 minutes left

Havelock just love to take fees from trades of fictional shares of fictional companies, just look at other companies listed there, almost like MPEX Grin
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April 04, 2014, 01:25:51 PM
Does anyone know why the change from NEOBEE to NEOBEEQ on https://www.havelockinvestments.com?
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Risk-hedging platform for cryptocurrency investors
April 04, 2014, 01:13:51 PM
Ockham's razor anyone? Wink
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April 04, 2014, 01:09:49 PM
From other point of view. Something is not right here.

1. They were sponsoring conferences.
2. They invested into expensive Oracle product(long-term vision).
3. They paid for development of own software.
4. They invested into POS terminals.(This was actually working product)
5. That branch, offices, PR campaign, billboards, opening, yes web-pages are shit.
6. They trained people for info-desk and branches.
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7. Parliamentary hearings
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8. silence
9. CEO running from island

Somewhere between 7. and 8. point "shit hits the fan".

Possible movie scenarios(yes I know I have huge imagination, so sorry for very possible bullshits) :

Someone recognized(maybe thanks to that hearing, maybe someone from parliament) what is happening in Cyprus and he pass the information/alert to some very importation person or group.

a)Corrupted government(like any government) simply told him, that they will not give him permission on what he wants to do. "No way, why us, we don't want to be first in this, no licenses for you and no recognition of bitcoin in our law, go away, we don't want you and we don't support you"

b)Banksters and Russian mafia underworld(they control everything on that island) were threatening Brewster. That he must stop everything now. Like NOW. Because he wants to play on theirs playground. They still have massive profits and benefits from Cypriot status-quo financial sector and offshore accounts there.

c)His daughter was taken by some scumbags as a hostage and they demand a ransom in Bitcoin, so something like ... "we'll harm her, or give us your private key, we know that you have at least 10 000 BTC. You have 24hours." Not easy position indeed.

Its alternative scenario to "he just run away with money", that all recent events like btctc,weex,SR,bitfunder,ukyo,gox ... everything is happening like behind closed doors, in shadow, we as community have very few information what exactly is happening. Also big names from community are disappearing one after another. Very strange.
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April 04, 2014, 11:49:41 AM
37,000 was the car?
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April 04, 2014, 11:45:03 AM
NO way, but it's a disease, and things that don't kill us don't always make us stronger.

Fair enough. There's some truth in that, definitely. This disease will be overcome eventually, but whether it's in our lifetime's or not is another story. Honestly, this is my first real "burning" in bitcoin land and I can definitely relate much more easily to others now. I can see how one may do a 180 turn on bitcoin and push against it. Though, there's just too much true, real positivity, for lack of a better word, in the protocol itself to turn back now.
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April 04, 2014, 11:42:43 AM

Small correction. 37,000 was the import tax on the car (50%).

Put another 74,000 for the purchase price from the UK and you've got the true cost.

And do you have any EVIDENCE that this was purchased from company funds? i.e. embezzlement.

No? Then what does it matter whether he bought a 100k Bentley or a 5k Ford focus? If it's his money, he can do wtf he likes with it.
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April 04, 2014, 11:40:27 AM
... But, do you really think that this issue/fraud/mismanagement is really the death knell of bitcoin? That's what I took from one of your posts.

NO way, but it's a disease, and things that don't kill us don't always make us stronger.
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Martijn Meijering
April 04, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
Look, i made tried to make it clear with the "saving kittens" bit.  If a slaughterhouse lists "saving kittens" as a part of its business model, it neither stops being a slaughterhouse, nor does it explain how it intends to make money by saving kittens.
And yes, many hypotheticals could be created where Neo is a good thing.  Sure, money could be made with honest money services -- it happens.  Unfortunately, nothing in the Neo prospectus describes how it plans to go about doing that.  Don't send your coin to strangers who make nice sounding vague promises.

OK, that makes sense.
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April 04, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
The thing that pisses me of is Bitcoin is dragged down into the gutter...

Technically, like you said, I think it's a disaster, too. And it's damn near rage-inducing when the gutter keeps making appearances. But, do you really think that this issue/fraud/mismanagement is really the death knell of bitcoin? That's what I took from one of your posts.
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April 04, 2014, 11:23:41 AM
Look, i made tried to make it clear with the "saving kittens" bit.  If a slaughterhouse lists "saving kittens" as a part of its business model, it neither stops being a slaughterhouse, nor does it explain how it intends to make money by saving kittens.
And yes, many hypotheticals could be created where Neo is a good thing.  Sure, money could be made with honest money services -- it happens.  Unfortunately, nothing in the Neo prospectus describes how it plans to go about doing that.  Don't send your coin to strangers who make nice sounding vague promises.

I think that a lot of things you're saying make a lot of sense. There were certainly red-flags. I read the prospectus and had many of the same sentiments, but decided to take the risk because the potential to make a real difference, both monetarily and socially, was worth it. Regardless, you're right: don't send your coin to strangers who make nice sounding vague promises, unless you're ready to take a, what?, 80/20 chance of losing it. This is hopefully a learning experience for everyone involved.

Edit: When I read the tweet that Danny made while in the parliamentary (a la something about den of sin) I should have known that that guy was not the proper NB CEO start-up material. I agree with the substance of the tweet, but a leader of something as potentially game-changing as NB doesn't need to be publicly announcing stuff like that. I justified it away... let's learn from this MFers.
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