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April 04, 2014, 10:29:11 AM
Liquidity injection can easily be solved with an equity sale. The small outstanding debt can easily be repaid.

Please show evidence for "small outstanding debt"
newbie
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April 04, 2014, 10:28:49 AM
@NotLambchop

Again a troll fest of idiotic pictures and insane drivel. You add zero substance to the conversation. Even a 4 year old could come up with more meaningful statements.
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April 04, 2014, 10:25:14 AM
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Liquidity injection can easily be solved with an equity sale...

Not even a speedball injection will make this dead pony sit up.  Just stop.  "Herp Rating Agency" Roll Eyes I'd rather take Derpy's financial advice Cheesy


sr. member
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April 04, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
...In terms of removing the shackles of usury/banksters...

>hates banksters.
>sends coin to a bankster wannabee to start a bank.

Smart.
newbie
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April 04, 2014, 10:18:56 AM
...This suicide fest has just got to stop.

you are most certainly spot on there, but nothing is ever exactly perfect... you'd still be driving those roads with other shitty drivers who might decide on a good ol car crash and take you along with em... on the other hand occasionally some of those "jumpers" happen to sprout wings and fly to the moon. You'd probably have found plenty fault in AM before their massive success (and perhaps find fault now), but the punt paid handsomely for many, and probably will do again
...

Sure.  There are outliers who sprout wings and go to the moon (again, you overlook minor details, like the absurdity of winged flight in outer space, making your plans junk).  AM [was] one.  On the other hand, suggesting that jumping off highway overpasses is a reasonable substitute for a space program...

sure, there are lots of problems with this picture, but considering it belongs in the realm of imagination I'm happy to paint my own picture that may not fit with yours. After all a proportion (large or small?) of the jumpers in your original must be drivers too, so that analogy falls flat from the outset

and AM [is] still in existence last I checked, with a gradually increasing probability of further (if more restrained) success this year

Exactly. MP shills try very hard to paint a certain narrative and their desperate efforts both here on forum and on reddit show. They are trying too hard.

Liquidity injection can easily be solved with an equity sale. The small outstanding debt can easily be repaid.
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April 04, 2014, 10:17:05 AM
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the problem is that people care too much about the "FUD." The FUD didn't make the coins disappear. The FUD didn't stop the people who walked into the branch from opening accounts.
...

Another problem is things labeled "FUD" turning out to be accurate accounts of reality.
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April 04, 2014, 10:16:03 AM
The one thing we should be shouting out in bitcoinland is "Show me the fucking evidence!" - for everything. New startups, old exchanges, BTC reserves, discussions between TAT & Danny, claims about unpaid staff.

"Show me the fucking evidence!" - Anything less is simply hearsay and FUD.
This right here.  Accepting Danny's or TAT's words at face value without any sort of evidence is ridiculous.

The only thing we know for sure is that Danny raised 12K btc or so, and in a few months, he claims to have nothing.  So, show us the financial reports.  Show us the btc addresses, show us how and where the money went.  And then explain to us why you blew through everything 1 month into operations.

This here. I'm so sick of reading/talking/arguing about it.

There are some VERY basic actions that can be taken here to assuage the anger and, if you will, hatred brooding here. If Danny has an inkling of self-respect or honor he will show the public credible reports on the finances of Neo & Bee. If not, I'm taking it as sheer fraud and thievery. That's the sort of thing that really does kill a person one way or another; either someone unstable enough finds you and kills you or you kill yourself with high blood pressure and paranoia.

It's just astonishing to me that there were already "liquidity" issues one month into the operation (perhaps more than one month, either way). It's astonishing that there is CEO replacement paperwork which was filed 3 weeks ago! It's astonishing the potential Neo & Bee had, then obliterated in a couple short weeks - as in, this company could go have truly gone down in history as one of the most important organizations of all time. In terms of removing the shackles of usury/banksters/gouging throughout the world, Neo & Bee had a chance to make a real difference in the lives of billions of people. Not all's lost, I feel, but we're hanging on a cliff and there are a couple people peeling our fingers away and a couple people trying to pull us back up - but, gravity is a bitch.  
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April 04, 2014, 10:07:35 AM
I really don't understand what people think they will gain by deliberately trashing other companies. It is one thing to point out problems but the degree of vindictiveness and glee which is being displayed in some of the postings at other people misfortune is really distasteful and doesn't help sort out the issues. "Childish" is the best description I can use for some of the postings.

The postings in some of these threads doesn't help Bitcoin either as it will scare off potential investors and gives the opponents lots of ammunition with which to go to the regulators and try to ban commercial Bitcoin transactions.  This sort of behaviour will prevent wider adoption and a future rise in the value of Bitcoin.

The Bitcoin world is big enough for people to have different opinions, just live and let live, it isn't big enough for public religious jihads being launched at different members of the community.

You don't burn down the entire tower block because you don't like your neighbour.

+1 So much vindictiveness, spite and gleeful hand-rubbing going on, which will only serve to distance anyone else with an idea from starting up in bitcoinland.

Yes it appears Danny went about things in the wrong order (cart before the horse), but to claim he's stolen everything, he's left the country in secret, he bought a new bentley, this was all just a long con, is just one unsupported assertion after another.

The one thing we should be shouting out in bitcoinland is "Show me the fucking evidence!" - for everything. New startups, old exchanges, BTC reserves, discussions between TAT & Danny, claims about unpaid staff.

"Show me the fucking evidence!" Anything less is simply hearsay and FUD.

+1

Very well said.


the problem is the heresy and fud are carefully blended in with evidence and coupled with a rather unsavoury tone, so it's hard to unmix that blend easily without some kind of bias

the problem is that people care too much about the "FUD." The FUD didn't make the coins disappear. The FUD didn't stop the people who walked into the branch from opening accounts.

sr. member
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April 04, 2014, 10:03:50 AM
How sure are you the he actually raised all 12k coins?

well, fairly certain.  I mean, without verification from Havelock and LMB, it's hard to know exactly how much.  You can see how many shares were sold on LMB and havelock, it's about 5M.  3.5M of those sold at .003, so that's 10,500 btc.  Another 500K sold at .0025, and then the Pre-IPO thing was the 1M at .001. According to Danny, they still had this in BTC as of Jan.

sr. member
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April 04, 2014, 09:59:10 AM
...This suicide fest has just got to stop.

you are most certainly spot on there, but nothing is ever exactly perfect... you'd still be driving those roads with other shitty drivers who might decide on a good ol car crash and take you along with em... on the other hand occasionally some of those "jumpers" happen to sprout wings and fly to the moon. You'd probably have found plenty fault in AM before their massive success (and perhaps find fault now), but the punt paid handsomely for many, and probably will do again
...

Sure.  There are outliers who sprout wings and go to the moon (again, you overlook minor details, like the absurdity of winged flight in outer space, making your plans junk).  AM [was] one.  On the other hand, suggesting that jumping off highway overpasses is a reasonable substitute for a space program...

sure, there are lots of problems with this picture, but considering it belongs in the realm of imagination I'm happy to paint my own picture that may not fit with yours. After all a proportion (large or small?) of the jumpers in your original must be drivers too, so that analogy falls flat from the outset

and AM [is] still in existence last I checked, with a gradually increasing probability of further (if more restrained) success this year

Again, you are assuming too much.  Nowhere did I say that the jumpers were also drivers, and nowhere did I suggest that driving to the moon is possible.  My analogy's fine.
As far as outliers like AM, they're outliers.  Even Three-Card Monte games have winners, but don't mistake getting roped into these games for investing.  Different thing.

Edit:  Even with outliers like AM, holders of various associated stock offerings (which is what's being discussed here) didn't always profit.  Take TAT's passthrough on Havelock:

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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
April 04, 2014, 09:52:16 AM
...This suicide fest has just got to stop.

you are most certainly spot on there, but nothing is ever exactly perfect... you'd still be driving those roads with other shitty drivers who might decide on a good ol car crash and take you along with em... on the other hand occasionally some of those "jumpers" happen to sprout wings and fly to the moon. You'd probably have found plenty fault in AM before their massive success (and perhaps find fault now), but the punt paid handsomely for many, and probably will do again
...

Sure.  There are outliers who sprout wings and go to the moon (again, you overlook minor details, like the absurdity of winged flight in outer space, making your plans junk).  AM [was] one.  On the other hand, suggesting that jumping off highway overpasses is a reasonable substitute for a space program...

sure, there are lots of problems with this picture, but considering it belongs in the realm of imagination I'm happy to paint my own picture that may not fit with yours. After all a proportion (large or small?) of the jumpers in your original must be drivers too, so that analogy falls flat from the outset

and AM [is] still in existence last I checked, with a gradually increasing probability of further (if more restrained) success this year
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ICO is evil
April 04, 2014, 09:49:46 AM
The one thing we should be shouting out in bitcoinland is "Show me the fucking evidence!" - for everything. New startups, old exchanges, BTC reserves, discussions between TAT & Danny, claims about unpaid staff.

"Show me the fucking evidence!" - Anything less is simply hearsay and FUD.
This right here.  Accepting Danny's or TAT's words at face value without any sort of evidence is ridiculous.

The only thing we know for sure is that Danny raised 12K btc or so, and in a few months, he claims to have nothing.  So, show us the financial reports.  Show us the btc addresses, show us how and where the money went.  And then explain to us why you blew through everything 1 month into operations.

How sure are you the he actually raised all 12k coins?
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Martijn Meijering
April 04, 2014, 09:49:29 AM
Interesting about that Cyprus Mail article, apparently, they did have customers.

Could have been some of their staff too.
sr. member
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April 04, 2014, 09:46:22 AM
Interesting about that Cyprus Mail article, apparently, they did have customers.
sr. member
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April 04, 2014, 09:39:15 AM
...This suicide fest has just got to stop.

you are most certainly spot on there, but nothing is ever exactly perfect... you'd still be driving those roads with other shitty drivers who might decide on a good ol car crash and take you along with em... on the other hand occasionally some of those "jumpers" happen to sprout wings and fly to the moon. You'd probably have found plenty fault in AM before their massive success (and perhaps find fault now), but the punt paid handsomely for many, and probably will do again
...

Sure.  There are outliers who sprout wings and go to the moon (again, you overlook minor details, like the absurdity of winged flight in outer space, making your plans junk).  AM [was] one.  On the other hand, suggesting that jumping off highway overpasses is a reasonable substitute for a space program...
sr. member
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April 04, 2014, 09:37:25 AM
The one thing we should be shouting out in bitcoinland is "Show me the fucking evidence!" - for everything. New startups, old exchanges, BTC reserves, discussions between TAT & Danny, claims about unpaid staff.

"Show me the fucking evidence!" - Anything less is simply hearsay and FUD.
This right here.  Accepting Danny's or TAT's words at face value without any sort of evidence is ridiculous.

The only thing we know for sure is that Danny raised 12K btc or so, and in a few months, he claims to have nothing.  So, show us the financial reports.  Show us the btc addresses, show us how and where the money went.  And then explain to us why you blew through everything 1 month into operations.
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
April 04, 2014, 09:35:34 AM
I really don't understand what people think they will gain by deliberately trashing other companies. It is one thing to point out problems but the degree of vindictiveness and glee which is being displayed in some of the postings at other people misfortune is really distasteful and doesn't help sort out the issues. "Childish" is the best description I can use for some of the postings.

The postings in some of these threads doesn't help Bitcoin either as it will scare off potential investors and gives the opponents lots of ammunition with which to go to the regulators and try to ban commercial Bitcoin transactions.  This sort of behaviour will prevent wider adoption and a future rise in the value of Bitcoin.

The Bitcoin world is big enough for people to have different opinions, just live and let live, it isn't big enough for public religious jihads being launched at different members of the community.

You don't burn down the entire tower block because you don't like your neighbour.

+1 So much vindictiveness, spite and gleeful hand-rubbing going on, which will only serve to distance anyone else with an idea from starting up in bitcoinland.

Yes it appears Danny went about things in the wrong order (cart before the horse), but to claim he's stolen everything, he's left the country in secret, he bought a new bentley, this was all just a long con, is just one unsupported assertion after another.

The one thing we should be shouting out in bitcoinland is "Show me the fucking evidence!" - for everything. New startups, old exchanges, BTC reserves, discussions between TAT & Danny, claims about unpaid staff.

"Show me the fucking evidence!" Anything less is simply hearsay and FUD.

+1

Very well said.


the problem is the heresy and fud are carefully blended in with evidence and coupled with a rather unsavoury tone, so it's hard to unmix that blend easily without some kind of bias
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April 04, 2014, 09:33:20 AM
@NanoAkron:  Cyprus Mail is no longer a credible source?  Or any other news outlet?  You will never get mathematically rigorous proofs of NeoBee being a scam, that's simply not how life works.  If Danny came out and said "I scammered U so long suckaz," you would undoubtedly interpret that as a forced statement and continue raging at me.
sr. member
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
April 04, 2014, 09:32:37 AM
...This suicide fest has just got to stop.

you are most certainly spot on there, but nothing is ever exactly perfect... you'd still be driving those roads with other shitty drivers who might decide on a good ol car crash and take you along with em... on the other hand occasionally some of those "jumpers" happen to sprout wings and fly to the moon. You'd probably have found plenty fault in AM before their massive success (and perhaps find fault now), but the punt paid handsomely for many, and probably will do again

Bitcoin space would be a much less poisonous ground when the likes of MP are put away. It's sad to see Bitcoin businesses trying to destroy themselves. There's no need for Bitcoin opponents to do it when community does a good job doing it. Poetic justice will make sure this poisonous MP will soon get a taste of his own medicine and all competitors he tried to undermine with shady backstabbing tactics are now coming back to haunt him. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry.html

speculation: lambchops is MP.

disclaimer: I'm not one for astute analysis so I won't be comparing text side by side, but the intelligent and yet scathing witticisms do smell very similar
newbie
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April 04, 2014, 09:30:34 AM
I really don't understand what people think they will gain by deliberately trashing other companies. It is one thing to point out problems but the degree of vindictiveness and glee which is being displayed in some of the postings at other people misfortune is really distasteful and doesn't help sort out the issues. "Childish" is the best description I can use for some of the postings.

The postings in some of these threads doesn't help Bitcoin either as it will scare off potential investors and gives the opponents lots of ammunition with which to go to the regulators and try to ban commercial Bitcoin transactions.  This sort of behaviour will prevent wider adoption and a future rise in the value of Bitcoin.

The Bitcoin world is big enough for people to have different opinions, just live and let live, it isn't big enough for public religious jihads being launched at different members of the community.

You don't burn down the entire tower block because you don't like your neighbour.

+1 So much vindictiveness, spite and gleeful hand-rubbing going on, which will only serve to distance anyone else with an idea from starting up in bitcoinland.

Yes it appears Danny went about things in the wrong order (cart before the horse), but to claim he's stolen everything, he's left the country in secret, he bought a new bentley, this was all just a long con, is just one unsupported assertion after another.

The one thing we should be shouting out in bitcoinland is "Show me the fucking evidence!" - for everything. New startups, old exchanges, BTC reserves, discussions between TAT & Danny, claims about unpaid staff.

"Show me the fucking evidence!" Anything less is simply hearsay and FUD.

+1

Very well said.
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