Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? (Read 3566 times)

We should thinkg that petrol/diesel is really just that not only used by cars but also in machiniries as well on which we know that it wont really be everything if ever there would really be a full integration from those ICE
to pure EV on which it would really be that hard to believe on such stuff. This is why it wouldnt really be that just right that we would really be saying that ICE cars would really be that ceease to exist due to that EV
invention or simply having this kind of huge changes but rather i would really be seeing some hybrids near in the future but totally eradicating petrol or diesel would really be that impossible. This isnt really just that talking about being a huge industry but actually into its relevance considering that we are really that running up some machiniries that does still needing up these substances.

Reality or dream? It doesnt matter because people would really be that eventually making out adjustments on the time or moment that they will really be dealing up with something. Decisions would be made in regarding
to this would really be that still a long time debate and also those oil companies wouldnt really be letting for this industry to go into the floor. This is why we wont really be that able to make those
kind of conclusions on this matter.

Not to mention how much it would cost to rebuild petrol/diesel stations into EV only. I think that current fuel stations are long term investments, and by the year 2035, not all of them would reach 0 in invested:earned ratio. I think the process of replacing fuel with electric charging station would cost a lot, and would trigger to electricity, facilities price to rocket. Which will affect into becoming expensive to charge EV. And at that moment, EV car owners would start complaining and wish old cars to get back.

Eventually we will hit a day when oil starts to run out or becomes prohibitively expensive to use for fuel in cars. We have been using it for a long time now and will probably continue to use it for many more decades, however there will also be a peak for demand affected by many factors. It will actually be a good thing, because certain countries get to abuse their access to oil and keep some very nasty people in power. What the EU is trying to do is admirable, but I expect it to get pushed back. Ultimately, if we can clean up the process for creating renewable fuels and the battery technology so it's less harmful than fossil fuels, then people in cities and towns could start to breath much cleaner air which is better for us all.

Let me be the bringer of the sad news that even if we stop breathing and drop dead together with all other animals. The temps will climb for another decade or so.  People need to prepare.

Personally, the only electric cars I have seen in the wild are Teslas. And only Model Y's at that.

I'm still not sure where they go to get their batteries charged, as I don't know any charging stations around here - there's still gas stations everywhere you look.

Although one thing's for sure; that whole 2035 goal of no petrol/diesel car sales is only realistic for developed countries with a stable grid.

The climate on our planet is getting hotter every year and this is a very acute reminder that people need to be more careful with nature and not pollute it with emissions from the combustion of carbohydrates. This summer has already brought abnormal heat to our planet. Thus, on July 7, the temperature in Death Valley in North America reached a record 53.9 degrees Celsius. And this situation is observed in many countries around the world.

Each of the past 13 months has broken records as the hottest on record, according to the European Union's climate service Copernicus. Among them is the hottest June.
On July 8, 2024, the service reported that the average temperature over the previous 12 months was also at least 1.5 degrees Celsius higher than the pre-industrial era of 1850–1900. The Paris climate agreement meant that global temperatures on Earth could be kept to within 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels. But this target was intended for a 30-year period over which the average temperature was to be taken.

So far, only one full year has surpassed this value. But it is already clear that the world will pass the important 30-year milestone within the next 10 years. And while this summer may seem abnormally hot, it could be one of the coolest in the future. For groups that are especially vulnerable to heat, including young children, older adults and outdoor workers, things are even worse.

Although man is a stupid creature and never learns from his mistakes, one can only hope that the unbearable temperature conditions of a changing climate will force him to abandon gasoline and diesel engines.
https://zn.ua/TECHNOLOGIES/posledstvie-izmenenij-klimata-zemlju-postihlo-adskoe-leto-so-smertonosnoj-zharoj.html

Society has been complaining about pollution for ages, but people seems to care little about it. Remember Greenpeace ? They have been fighting against pollution for half a decade. Still no significant result is seen.

I havent heard about such super quick chargers, that were invented recently, but even if they did, a question about safety comes first to my mind. Electric car battery isnt tiny AAA battery or powerbank size battery. Its huge. Charging it in 5 minutes, means transferring a huge amount of electricity in short time. It will be kind of a electric shocker or defibrillator strike, a lightning. Will it be safe? If something goes wrong, a person that is in the car during charging might get hurt.

I learnt the electric cars is economically wise compared to the diesels and petrols yes but let's keep it straight, the electric cars would be much expensive to buy and that will keep lot of averages and below not being affordable to own a car due to the highly expenses of an electric car. It's a good ideal introducing this technology though but shouldn't call to the whip off of those affordable mobiles that feels affordable for an average person.
At times we don't even need to trust the government because they'd also want to inconvenience the poor and everything will be so expected to go according to their own standards such as the luxuries and the highily expensive inventions.

I understand your concerns about vehicle emissions. At the same time, are you sure are EVs are extremely environment friendly? I heard that mining of Lithium is also quite polluting. And also, EV batteries require other metals as well, especially Cobalt and Nickel. Cobalt is very rare in earth's crust and it's mining not only contributes to environmental pollution, but also it triggers civil war and human trafficking in regions where it's ore Coltan is found (especially in Democratic Republic of the Congo). 

We need to move as quickly as possible along the path of reducing the use of diesel and gasoline engines in cars, which terribly pollute the environment, and switch to more environmentally friendly ones, including electric cars. Whether we manage to do this before 2035 or not is no longer so important. We must even try to speed up this transition, because the climate in different regions of the planet has become more dangerous and is getting worse every year. And this will lead to the flooding of many territories, mass migration of people, intensification of various natural disasters, and so on.

I see that work in this direction is being carried out quite actively. From time to time you hear about improvements in battery efficiency; yesterday in the news they said that a charger had been invented in England that could charge an electric car in just five minutes. A rapid transition to electric vehicles is simply inevitable.

I believe we can significantly reduce diesel and petrol car usage by 2035, though complete elimination may be difficult. We have about 10 years to improve infrastructure for electric vehicles (EVs), enhance their range, and address concerns about reliability. Hybrid cars will likely become more prevalent during this time.

However, achieving this goal in my country by 2035 might be challenging. Our infrastructure is limited, and technology is not evenly distributed, making it difficult for people to adopt EVs.

I don’t know how and why I’m coming across this topic just now, and this is really and interesting topic as it is very much good for a country’s environmental health sanitation but I think my country should be counted out atleast for now until maybe the government finds a way to earn from it.
There are simply some factors that ought to considered immensely before implementing this kind of rules in a country and one of them includes:-
1. Availability of Light:, and I believe this is one of the major striking factors to consider when asking about electric vehicles as without good electric power supply, I don’t think electric cards should be talked about.

2: Cost of erecting power stations: this is another factors as it might seem to be a solution to the first challenge but on the other hand, the cost of erecting these stations aren’t cheap.

These two are major factors to consider when talking about implementing such rules as to banning non electric cars and that’s why I think my country wouldn’t be included in such list except otherwise.

N/B: I’m not trying to speak I’ll of my country but it is what it is.

If we talk about the conventional "luxury segment", in this case cars, then there are completely different indicators of value for the buyer. These are brand, value and exclusivity. Rolls Royce will not (in the foreseeable future) produce electric cars for the masses or for the middle class. And it's not that they can't, it's that as soon as the Rolls Royce sign appears on a "car for beggars" (conditionally), its value in the eyes of "elite" consumers will immediately decrease.  Mercedes, Porsche and similar brands are not the luxury segment. Yes they have Maybach (Daimler AG) and 911 S/T for example, yes it is a premium segment, but....
That's why they have and will have electric/hybrid cars in the mid to high price segment. Rolls Royce will have only in the very expensive price segment and only exclusive models.

Weird, I mostly see expensive EVs in the streets: Teslas, MBs, e-trons, Porsches etc. EV is expensive: you need chargers, solar panels, that kind of stuff for comfortable driving and use. 

I have got friends from the European Union and they have told me about the some many laws and inspections their cars are supposed to pass through every year. From my perspective, they sound like very tough regulations, you know. Here in Venezuela, there are no such inspections and the police does not enforce emmissions of cars, you can stand by the street and see cars emitting literal black smoke out their exhausts. So there are no problems here with old cars and no push towards people adquiring electrical cars eventually. No even mention we are an oil producing country.

In the end, countries like mine will end up importing those cars which are not suitable to transit in the EU, until you guys cannot longer comply with those very strict regulations and have to move onto EVs.

I know. I have two diesel cars. One is with EURO 4 exhaust and I have cut out DPF filter, other is EURO 6 with DPF filter and due to car mileage, it needs to be either cleaned (will help for time only) or replaced (expensive solution). Cant cut out this filter in newer car, because I wont pass annual inspection. Cut it from older car because no one would check its existence and it would cost 1/4 of cars value to replace it. However, government cant forbid me to use old car and pollute surrounding. I have never heard that there will be a law that will prohibit import of old cars the the country. Which makes «war against pollution» weird. Old car can continue to pollute, new car that is from the start is much cleaner, must keep the level «of clean exhaust» always on the high level.

In my neighborhood there are currently many electric vehicles being used, of course this is good because it reduces environmental pollution. but the problem is that not everyone is rich, not everyone has the money to own one, even now there are still people who don't have diesel-based vehicles, as time goes by everyone will definitely follow developments, but not everyone can fulfill it. I also heard the news that the government will reduce the use of electric vehicles because there are some things that are illegal, I don't remember what they are.

I think electric vehicles will go further in terms of resale value. because it includes sophisticated technology, whereas currently there are many gadgets whose prices are almost the same as diesel-based vehicles. However, in the future I don't mind it, because what I think about is how I can survive, one of which is adapting to the environment or technological developments.

When/If Electric vehicles start to be more expensive to ride, then indeed I could see and resurging into the usage and adoption of gas/diesel engines, however you must keep on mind governments of those developed countries usually pass laws which forbid the new manufacturing of diesel/gas powered vehicles, so in the future those people who wish to ride those again will find important legal difficulties when comes to accessing to those vehicles.
Once, new gas/diesel cars are gone, the old ones will be subjected to more stricter emission controls which will be almost impossible to comply with. It will be a slow but hard push onto forcing people to change to public transportation or buy an EV.

Do you have any idea of how difficult will be to keep an old car polluting at minimum levels?
The plan there is not to outright ban diesel and gas vehicles, because it would be perceived as unconstitutional and authoritarian, so the European Union will do it indirectly.

indeed biofuel is becoming a thing what im afraid though if the biofuel produced from what is considered a food then it might raise the price on food I mean if its coming from rotten palm oil or something like that then its gonna be fine but using
something that is considered food might causes food crisis but hopefully im wrong on this.
but undeniably, more and more commercial vehicles such as bus and other are trying to switch over into using electric vehicle.
what I see is that there's a pattern that if a vehicle is used based on schedule like bus it will be easier to switch over to electric vehicle because we can roughly estimates the time required for charging and at what time it should be scheduled to operate.
usually electric bus right now could sustain to be used for a whole day and be recharged when at night if im not mistaken.
that already good enough considering that we are still in early phase of switching over into something electric these days.

Should not the word economy stand next or after it when we talk about buyers choice? Like it is said «buyers vote with their purse». Wont it be that after switching to completely EV, electricity producers will increase prices? And I believe they will. More demand needs more supply, means more electricity stations, investments and etc. I think people right now buy EV not because they care about ecology, but because it is cheaper to drive EV in $/km ratio then with diesel or petrol. If it starts to cost more to ride, people would ask for cheap little diesel engine cars to return to masses.