Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 9. (Read 3567 times)

Super fast cars aren’t only possible with petrol powered engines. If we can have bullet trains that are also super fast and are electric powered, sport cars aren’t really far behind. It has been quite the challenge to get people to buy and drive electric vehicles.
Petrol powered vehicles would most likely still be available in the market by 2035 as there would be still be quite the demand for it. Electric powered vehicles could in the distant future, majorly replace petrol powered vehicles but for now, a lot of people are still resistant to change.

Frankly speaking, that is not much of an advantage to consider buying EV. What are urban speed limits ? 30-50-70km/h. What is the point of beating car with internal combustion engine in acceleration for few second, when they will meet at the traffic light. Racing in the city area? Not the best place to figure out whos car is faster.

Speaking honestly, I would have bought a small and cheap EV with urban range of 150km, if they really be cheap. They are cheap only compared with premium and middle range EV segment. But on a distance, a small car like Toyota IQ, Hyundai i10, VW up are much affordable. Of course there are EV that has same price, like Citroen Ami. But their look forces to puke. Cheapest EV cost 20-25k EUR. If it is a city car, it wont cover much distance. Hyundai i10 cost around 15k. EV car will die faster than it will make its owner to economy on fuel and liquids those 5-10k EUR difference.

There are two pieces of good news:
1. Many manufacturers in many countries have started to produce mass and cheap electric cars. Yes, while most of them are for the "urban cycle", i.e. with a range of up to 150 km, but this situation is already much better. Objectively speaking, less than half of car owners have a need to travel over this distance.
2. Today, electric cars have already "overtaken" gasoline sports cars in terms of acceleration speed. The efficiency of an internal combustion engine will never catch up with the efficiency and dynamics of an electric motor. And now electric motors have become compact and the technology is acceptable for the supercar or race car format 

How do you suggest making the EVs more environmentally friendly? For the last 2 decades or so, I haven't noticed any significant improvement in the battery technology. The same type of batteries (Lithium-Nickel-Cobalt) are being used even now. Unless someone come up with a better technology, which uses metals and minerals that are more readily available in the earth's crust, this issue will persist. But given the huge amount of investment currently being poured into Lithium and Cobalt mining, I am not sure whether any of the major EV manufacturers are even considering a need for a different type of EV battery. 

This was done only for the test and the guy was a journalist, but it can happen to a normal user. I don't read about electric cars or cars in general enough to come across more of these stories.

You're right. Busses drive around all day and generate enormous amounts of fumes when compared to a car because they drive very inefficiently. They start driving, gain speed, brake, come to a stop and repeat the whole thing. All that with high mass and bad aerodynamic efficiency.

The only thing that makes me angry about electric cars is that they want to tax all of us who don't have enough money to buy one so that we stop driving at all. In other words, you're rich, you buy electric car and drive like you used to. You're poor, we're going to make you pay for your old car so much that you'll either have to sell it and ride a scooter or something or you'll have to take a loan to get an electric car.

This seems like a dream to us, but when the supply of diesel petrol will decrease, people will be more focused on electric cars. In 2035, people of the world may buy more electric cars, but even in 2035, I don't think diesel or petrol cars will stop selling. Sales of diesel and petrol vehicles may decline slightly but will not stop completely. I think the demand for sports cars will always remain in the world and most of the sports cars are petrol engines. If an electric car manufacturing company builds a supercar or a sports car, it will not get much market because by sports car we mean very high speed, several hundred kilometers speed within braking moment, these are possible only in petrol engine.

It is undeniablethat nickel, cobalt, and lithium extraction has a negative impact on the environment. Two striking instances of ecological destruction are the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Norilsk. But surely there's no harm in pushing the boundaries, giving the situation a closer look, and delving further into the long-term consequences?

Renewables are seeing a fast transformation in the field of energy production, signaling a change. It is important to weigh the potential for cleaner, sustainable energy against the short-term environmental costs associated with EV production. Although it is a transitory problem, EVs emit more pollution than gasoline-powered cars. The environmental equation will probably shift in favor of EVs as clean energy sources are gradually deployed.

That sounds expensive. If he had a regular and wanted to run same test, it would cost him around 1 EUR for a 1.5l bottle of water, and the cost of fuel that will fit it.

Instead of having EV only in 2035, it would be better to switch public transport to electric busses. As they operate in city limits, charging or battery issues wont be such a trouble. Everyone will win from that. Manufacturers, as they will have a long lasting contracts with cities. Cities that will be more emission clear.

If such an indication comes from the EU, I think it will take a long time. Because if this digital technology makes it, then surely few centuries can pass. Although they have decided to meet this target by 2035, I think it may take several more years, maybe 2050, when this technology will be introduced. We know cars are driven by gasoline, octane all over the world, yet there is no such case of electric car being made. However, if in the future electric engine powered cars are made, the cost can be reduced a lot, but we may not be here in this world to see this principle come into force.

Mining coal has destroyed entire mountains in china 🇨🇳 and in the usa 🇺🇸.

Not that mining lithium cobalt or nickel is clean.

The current EV technology causes more damage to the environment when compared to the gasoline vehicles. Mining Lithium, Cobalt and Nickel has devastated ecologically sensitive areas of the world. If you have a doubt regarding this, then please visit Norilsk or the Democratic Republic of Congo. And it is not just the batteries. Most of the electricity that is used to run these EVs come from burning fossil fuels - natural gas, or even more polluting fuels such as coal, lignite or naphtha. EVs seems to be more polluting than gasoline vehicles at this point.

Yeah, because everyone will either buy used fossil fuel cars or buy new electric cars that are refueled with electricity that was produced by burning fossil fuels. Unless we discover a different way to generate electricity, we will come to the conclusion that our energy demands outstrip our energy production. The discovery would have to be something amazing though, like cold fusion.

I mean you can try slapping a solar panel on your Tesla but it won't generate enough electricity in a day to move a car.

2035 seems optimistic. Especially with with all the undiscovered oil reserves. Who needs a life-nurturing environment when you can save money?
 

No one knows what will happen in the future, but since we are using modern technology, it is possible that something like that will happen if that is what people want, in my opinion.

Because of my several decades in this world, I have not seen anything that our time is not developing; instead, as time goes on, there is innovation when it comes to technology. Before, there was no electricity, appliances, or cars, but now, because of the knowledge of people, there is also development, which is why it happened.

I've read about such case when a guy was testing a Tesla and wanted to see if it really shows the real range. He wanted to push it to the limit.

I don't remember all the numbers and the article was from at least a year ago but he wanted to travel from one town to another and planned the rout a day before. The car showed him that he can go from point  a to point b at full charge with some margin. There was a charging station at point b.
When he was maybe 20km from that spot the car started showing that he won't make it and instead of +10km left it corrected to something like -2 so he thought that maybe the car is wrong and he can make it. After all this was a trip of more than 200km and the car was showing that it will lack 1% charge to make it.

Long story short, he didn't make it and the car shut down in the middle of the street with no charging station nearby, so he went to a hardware store and bought the cheapest gasoline power generator and charged it a bit to make that 2 additional kilometers to his destination.

I know it's a technological advancement that will probably be one of the newest trends of the future - but how can we ignore that high electricity usage doesn't cause many problems?

Bitcoin mining is considered bad because it uses a lot of electricity which is not good for the environment - while what if those hundreds of millions of cars have no impact on the environment even if a positive impact can be expected. I'm sure this will have its pros and cons - but however, the development of time and technology will continue to satisfy human civilization.

We should all hope the trend towards electric vehicles continues and accelerates even faster, because there will be a lot less pollution around when the majority of the world makes the major transition. It seems like an inevitability that will benefit everyone, almost at the level of transferring from horses into motorized vehicles, it is a natural progression. While we should never forget that a lot of dirty and toxic materials can be created during the extraction process to get the necessary metals and minerals, it should theoretically be easier to manage those in the more limited locations, instead of emitting poisonous gases by millions of cars on the roads every single day.

Transition wont really be that an instant and just like been said that it would really be that just on gradual phase but i dont really believe that it would really be completely be able to replace it out considering that we've been using up petrol/diesel cars since the beginning of time and plus we do know that when it comes to in comparison to power delivery and durability then i could say that cars that running on petrol is much better.
We've seen that there are electric vehicles that are really that being on sale or offered now on which i cant deny that it is really that interesting which considering that petrol nowadays is really that keep increasing
its price on which it is already that expensive on which it isnt economical if you are really that making use of those petrol/diesel cars, somewhat you wont really be that making
yourself that in problem if you are rich but if you are that somewhat an average type then it surely does matter.

The only thing that i doubt with these EV's is into its maintenance cost and also with that battery pack on which it is something that will really be that having that main question,
on how long it would be lasting? There's no such thing that you could be able to say on where it would be lasting and pretty sure that it doesnt come cheap.

The transitioning will take time it will just happen all of a sudden, gradually people will come up with new inventions something that will suite the current paradigm. Scientists, engineers and inventors are working really hard to make our life better, I believe we already have some inventions of these already, such inventions will take years of test run so that it can suit the mass, after all what’s use of these innovations if humanity can’t benefit from them. Cars running with batteries by 2035 is a possibility we have started seeing them function. And other car companies are venting to moving from gas to battery. The globe is keen to keeping the climate and its ozone layer clean soon running cars without gas will be top tier.
  Technology will keep to improve as the year progresses, innovations won’t stop until the world comes to an end they are looking at making everything from renewable energy and this will help our planet. There’s is this mass movement about saving the world. With time they can achieve this aim, and gradually we see other developments that will help solve other problems.

I think there is no way that there won't be petrol or diesel cars or truck by 2035. There are heavy machineries and truck that can not rely on batteries for there fueling. Batteries can not power all appliances we have since the lifespan of batteries is not that long and and there will be need for recharging them which can affect production speed and efficiency. Maybe by then there will be a better options that is more reliable than the use of batteries. It is obvious that technology is advancing on a high speed and soon we might have a better technology than the use of batteries or something that will increase the efficiency and the lifespan of battery usage.

Seven years is a very short time to be able to change this, it is indeed possible for everyone to switch to electric cars, but I will not be sure/believe that this will happen in the near future because not all groups can afford electric cars and there are still many underdeveloped or developing countries are not yet ready for this change.
Currently, if we look at the positive, better and more sophisticated changes will occur in the future slowly and for big things I am sure they will be realized over a long period of time.