Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 3. (Read 3566 times)

Good luck developing that without the CIA or the oil barons killing the main inventor/engineer of the project because that technology is going to be a big threat to them with oil barons being hurt the most because their prime product will lose it's value in the market and their hoard of barrels of oil would be worth next to nothing, they might have some value still because not all will be using water as fuel anytime soon but it's peanuts compared to now and with CIA, they're friends with oil barons so they need to do their bidding to keep the USA in good terms with these oil barons. There's literally something unique with that system and unless you're an inventor too that can prove me wrong, I don't think it's right to discredit the impact that it will entail to the future.

Just a couple of days came across information about plans to develop a new "old" engine - water engine - by TOYOTA. Not a hydrogen engine, but a water engine. The benefits are enormous:
1. Technologically, it is an "extension" of the internal combustion engine scheme.
2. the fuel is water, yes it requires purification, but it is still widely available and has a low price.
3. absolutely ecological
4. Does not require global modernization of production.

There is nothing super unique in the development base - hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine, hydrogen is obtained by electrolysis from water.

However, petrol/diesel is still needed by heavy vehicles in developing countries that have limited access to electricity supplies, especially mining vehicles or vehicles for projects in the middle of the forest, which are far from access to electricity. In particular, battery charging infrastructure and various devices related to electric vehicles are still expensive and this is why the adoption of EVs in the future is still hampered and the elimination of petrol/diesel by 2035 is just a dream.

Has anyone monitored how (of if) electricity prices changed when electric EV became more affordable and available? If we take fuel prices, then they during last few years managed to increase almost twice, then the price dropped for 50%, and now its growing again (example, in 2021 diesel cost ~1.10 EUR, then it jumped to ~2,00 EUR, got back to ~1,40 EUR, and now it is around 1,70 EUR). About a year ago (I can measure it as a price stated in my electricity bill, so mine will be constant for next 4 years), the cost of one kW was about 10 cents. I know that some properties have market electricity price policy.

Long story short, does it become less profitable to charge EV than it was several years ago? Where the situation with price is going? I remember that in my childhood diesel cost twice less than petrol, now it is more expensive. Gas used to cost 1/5 of petrol price, now it is only 1/2 cheaper. Are we having the same situation with EV?

While the amount of electric car sales is definitely going up, it does not seem like the close timeframes - like 2030 or even 2035 are going to be realistic for the most advanced economies to make a shift over. Not only because of the production level of these cars, but they massive amount of infrastructure that still need to be built out in order to properly support such a transition. While it is a noble goal, countries also need to consider how dirty it really is to extract the resources that produce these batteries and also how the electric grid will be powered long term, but this is somewhat alleviated by lots of renewables coming online. That being said, oil production also has a finite shelf life and as it starts to dwindle in future, those costs may play a major part in the transfer.

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And you'd pay probably the same price for that Impala, if not higher because they can reach north of $40k. If we're talking Vietnam era cars I'm more of a Mustang Shelby fan, but wouldn't say no to a Camaro either. Combustion engine cars were beautiful and although electric engines are good with all the power, torque, low noise, but for them to succeed they'd need more efficient, lighter batteries and the companies would have to price them accordingly and stop trying to make people use electric cars by taxing them and creating no entry zones.



Exactly, that's what I'm trying to say. They both sides lost so many people, destroyed land, killed civilians, not to mention local fauna, lost equipment, released harmful smokes that polluted the air and at the same time idiots in Brussels think how to tax people whose cars don't meet Euro 6 standards.

Tell that to the oil companies and the Arab regions that have a ginormous oil reserves, they wouldn't like the idea that their oil won't be as valuable as they are right now, there's a reason why we're making a meme out of people that have invented an alternative fuel for their cars or just generally inventing something that will help humanity while helping the environment being killed or disappearing after their inventions. For me, it's still a dream, besides the statement that I've said, look at Tesla and other electric powered cars, they don't seem to be performing really well compared to gas guzzling cars, they're also not that looking good compared to those cars, what I mean by that is I'd rather have the '67 Impala than a Tesla because it looks much cooler.

All the same, Russians are burning entire cities in Ukraine and, of course, they themselves are being burned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they are rotting in the fields of Ukraine, which also harms the environment and contributes to global warming.

  Last May, after six months of continuous fighting, the Russians captured the ruins of the small town of Bakhmut and in the process lost about 23,000 of their soldiers killed and about 80,000 wounded. Almost a year later, the Russians had their next victory: on February 17, they occupied the ruins of the town of Avdeevka. At the same time, the commander of the operational-strategic group of troops (OSGV) "Tavria" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Tarnavsky reported that during the four months of the active phase of the Avdeevka defensive operation (from October 10, 2023 to February 17, 2024) in the Avdeevka direction, the total losses of Russian troops amounted to: 47,186 people (killed and wounded), 364 tanks, 748 armored vehicles, 248 artillery systems and other weapons, including 5 downed aircraft.
https://war.gordonua.com/unichtozhili-rezerv-dlja-nastuplenija-tarnavskij-rasskazal-ob-obshchikh-poterjakh-rf-v-bojakh-za-avdeevku-1698176.html

Also, during the assaults on Avdeevka, which covers an area of 30 square kilometers and where about 30,000 people lived before the war, the Russians dropped about 500 tons of explosives on the city with controlled bombs alone. After the Ukrainian Armed Forces retreated to new fortified positions, the Russians shot civilians who came out to meet them. These are considered the “liberators” of the Russian-speaking population in Donbass.

Can you imagine how much heat was released every day from the explosions of thousands of mines, bombs and shells on just one sector of the front and from hundreds and thousands of burning armored vehicles?

I see a lot of left winged ECO freaks in this thread who don't know what they're talking about, but repeat the points they heard on TV, like some kind of rules.


Electric cars are not eco friendly. Who do you think makes the batteries for your cars? I'll tell you, the country with the bigest CO2 emission in the world.


That's what they want you to think that the survival of the human race is up to you. It's not up to the Russians who are burning down whole cities, but up to you, driving your car to work. You have to cut emissions by 5% by switching to an expensive electric car. If a country like Germany or the UK goes 100% electric cars, it will decrease the global emissions by 0.1%. That's because for the UK their total share of CO2 is 1% and you can't switch off the whole industry, so cars all together will be maybe 10% of UK's emissions and 0.1% globally. At the same time to make up for that demand for batteries China will have to increase their emissions and their share is almost 30% so you won't help the world at all. All you will do is help corporations that make these electric cars and China that produces batteries and emissions will stay as they were. No, scratch that, they will increase, because while UK lowers that by 0.1% and China increases by 0.1%, Russia will burn a couple more villages and lose a few expensive aeroplanes in the process and the world will become warmer.

Absolutely right. If humanity wants to survive and at the same time preserve all life on our planet, economic gain can no longer be applied here. You need to act decisively and toughly. If earlier we believed that global climate change would be slow and that it would not affect us, then in recent years we have clearly seen that we were wrong. Climate change is happening very quickly. Scientists believe that next year the warm Gulf Stream, which washes European countries, may stop and then it will become sharply colder in Europe. But this is just the beginning. Then everything will cascade in geometric progression.

Your government is already thinking about a long-term plan where it is possible that petrol and diesel will become increasingly difficult to obtain and could also be expensive, and indeed, air pollution will become increasingly uncontrollable.Of course, the plan to replace all public transportation with electric power [environmentally friendly] is a necessity and must be implemented immediately because development is also inevitable, nature needs to recover from carbon dioxide pollution, and it needs to be replaced with renewable energy.I think now the whole world is also thinking about continuing to update means of transportation with ones that are environmentally friendly and inevitable.

If we compare electric cars to other products with large batteries we can get a relative cost or efficiency to their operation.   There are camping type batteries to backup electric usually when outdoors but can be used anywhere your mains electric isnt reliably available.    We  can also refer to electric batteries used to store solar power, this is something used every day charged then discharged in line with the daily solar cycle vs human activity.   Most electric is used when its both cold and dark, people object to solar on that basis sometimes.
   If we weigh up power vs cost across multiple categorises then electric cars arent so expensive, not if we look at the base models and/or 2nd hand prices as a brand new car has a premium to it despite old cars lasting and being warranted to 100k miles or maybe 10 years of use.

Electric cars appeared on the world market relatively recently. Therefore, it is quite natural that their price is still quite high. But technology does not stand still. Quite often there are reports of the invention of more efficient batteries, which will significantly reduce the cost and operating costs of using electric cars.

This is approximately the same as what happens with the introduction of alternative energy sources. It has already been calculated that over the past ten years, costs for solar panels have decreased by 90 percent, and for wind generators by 70 percent.
It is quite expected that in the not very distant future, electric cars will be much more economically profitable to use than gasoline and diesel ones.

That makes sense, it's possible that the components that are needed also have a high price value and this makes one unit of electric vehicle have a high selling price, so it's not strange if the price is high because as I said, that's probably the case. I think that in the future perhaps society will have to follow developments, because at the moment many people are forcing themselves to adapt to current developments.
but what is certain is that currently the high price value cannot be covered by all people, because there are still many people who have limited money, some even still have financial problems, so it is natural that they still use petrol vehicles,  but As current technological developments also lead them to be able to deal with what is happening, although perhaps some of them still maintain their habits, they must follow technological developments that may occur in the years to come.

Actually there's no problem about having some switch into full EV or whatever correlated type of vehicles as long the maintenance parts would really be that something that easy to be found or
its availability wont really be causing any pain in the ass on looking for these things and if it would really be that something cheaper but we do know and able to see that it is really that totally opposite
on what we are seeing on which it is really that hella lot more expensive comparing into those ICE vehicles on which it would really be just that understandable on where people would really be sticking into.
We do know that maintenance wise and cost then those traditional ICE would really be that best. Plus we dont have still that proper infrastructure in speaking about having those power stations
which we know that it is really that primarily needed.

Speaking about on what would happen in the future then this is something that remains always as a question. No one really knows on what would be the future looks like
on which things might really be that anticipated to happen might not be able to push through or it could happen.It would really matter on overall recognition
and acceptance.

Manufacturers dont produce a lot of cars with small diesel engines. They arent that much profitable, nor buyers choose diesel for petrol if we talk about small engines. Dont forget EURO standards for modern engines. The amount of pollution they create is tiny. On the other hand we have public transport. When was the last time you saw buses of 2023-2024 year production. Usually public transport is 10-15 years old vehicles. With engines that "eat oil" and dead particle filters. Imho public transport should be first to replaced by electric engines, not cars.

The wishes of the public transport group on this matter are actually quite clear. Because they may not want to experience difficulties when they want to make repairs when their vehicle is damaged and there must also be parties who can handle problems when they arise from vehicles that have been used for a long time.

Moreover, the public transportation group also does not know how long an electric vehicle can be used for public transportation, because if the duration of use is only short and requires them to keep changing vehicles every short duration, this could also cause losses in public transport itself. So that is still a question mark and the public transport group still wants expansion in order to evaluate it further so that all parties can use it evenly.

thats what any country should be striving out to be honest, using eco friendly means where there is any opportunity same thing with using EV for public transport it will save a ton from the carbon footprints produced by the conventional diesel public transporation, i think its time already that we should depend more on electricity since there are many ways to generate it using solar panel, wind turbine and so on not entirely depends on the old fossil energy.
but the thing with EV in private car sector that I think gonna be kinda problematic is that maybe the cost of the battery, there are rumour going around that the battery cost a ton and if not covered by warranty im sure many people wouldn't afford it easily.
so its one thing to give warranty to any EV right now more specifically for the battery replacement just in case.
otherwise people would be doubtful to jump into the trend of electric vehicle and would halt the growth of electric vehicle.

What you say is the current reality. The main reason why electric vehicles still cannot be used en masse is that the price is still too high to be able to create these electric-based vehicles. must be necessary to provide space for recharging and repairs, which, of course, is currently limited, so there are still many who don't want to use it because there are limitations that can occur with these vehicles. So it's not surprising that there are still many countries that don't want to fully use electricity-based transportation as a mass vehicle for many people. But it is true that one day everyone will inevitably have to accept the fact that it must be used because of limited petroleum, which continues to run low, so there must be a replacement to avoid the crisis that will occur.

Of course, receiving income generates payment of taxes, and owning a car generates new, systemic expenses - taxes, fuel, maintenance, parking, interior fragrance

But I don’t think that the car will be bought by those who do not understand that it also requires an increase in their costs. For example, I can conditionally buy a yacht, but I won’t, because I don’t objectively need it, although I adore the sea/ocean. And most importantly, I understand that a yacht is a significant expense. And provided that the yacht does not solve any of my real problems, but is guaranteed to create costs - that’s why I won’t buy it!
But an electric car is economically feasible for me - it will reduce my operating costs, and daily ones, because... costs for a conventional 100 km, gasoline engine and electric, differ several times.