Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 2. (Read 3566 times)

I had massive hopes for Biofuel about 10 years ago or so because literally the potential is for complete replacement of normal oil reserves.  It is not science fiction that oil can be produced organically and using up carbon for modern cars to use in combustion engines.  Thats a possibility its been done in the laboratory and its possible however its not been engineered into a feasible business mass production scenario not for this last decade and that is greatly disappointing.  Im aware of rape seed oil and all kinds but the very best crop is not working out so far, it might at some time.

Many amazing things are possible but not quite feasible for every day consumers.   Hydrogen fuel cars are being explored but there is great doubts on its ability to deliver across an entire nation, its not a given just because yes the car works theres infrastructure questions.   Same for electric, however across the range of options I think electric is the one we are most advanced with.

Electric cars after all started in the Victorian age almost before the common oil or fuel car we use now electric was useful then and its improved till now though its been a slow journey we obviously have a great use, knowledge and ongoing need for electric as a fuel so why not the cars too.  Makes sense especially if and when they improve its various drawbacks.  

Number one word to decide all factors is efficiency, it has to compete with every fuel in some way and be reasonable as a choice.  I think mass production will deliver dividends on results possible, stay optimistic

I am not really surprised with the second point. Those who purchase luxury and sports cars still prefer gasoline or diesel run vehicles. I would say that EVs comprise for less than 1% of the market share in the luxury segment. And millionaires usually doesn't care about their own carbon footprint, although they are very vocal and supportive in fleecing the middle-class in the form of additional green taxes. So it is a good decision by Mercedes-Benz to move away from EV production. They should rather stick with the tried and tested tactics. 

Due to the fact that humanity as a whole and almost every person individually is not doing enough to combat the climate crisis, we have long ago approached the brink beyond which we will simply die out. The study, published in the journal BioScience on October 24, identifies 35 climate change critical indicators, with 20 of them reaching record extremes.
One of the most alarming findings is the rapid rise in average global temperatures. Before 2000, the Earth had never experienced a temperature increase of 1.5 degrees Celsius compared to pre-industrial times. In 2023 alone, this threshold was exceeded by 38 days. The report also shows that July last year was the warmest month in perhaps the last 100,000 years.
Humanity, through its stupidity and selfishness, is pushing Earth's systems into dangerous instability, and by the end of this century, three to six billion people, a third to half of the planet's population, may be pushed beyond the "habitable region." This will lead to extreme heat and limited food availability.
https://24tv.ua/tech/ru/uchenye-bjut-trevogu-klimat-na-zemle-menjaetsja-bezvozvratno-tehno_n2420368

Compared to this, the problems of business and the transition from fossil fuel engines to electric propulsion seem insignificant when the very existence of people on our planet is at stake.

Got some two topic related things to discuss.

1. Starting from 2025, some Europe countries are planning to make EURO 5 and EURO 6 diesel cars exhaust system annual technical inspection more strict. Which means, cars with cut away particulate filter are going to have troubles passing annual inspection. Why this DPF filter is needed? To make diesel exhaust more ecology friendly. Why people cut them away? Because replacement of this filter cost 1-3k EUR (filter is costly, replacement procedure cost is low as it is rather simple).

2. Mercedes-Benz reducing EV production, as sales and demand is low. Maybe this is due to brand is expensive and people prefer cheap EV. Maybe this is due to low demand on EV in general. Give me your thought please.

It's just a matter of the quality of the manufacturing or operating technology. Tell me - have you never heard about cases of spontaneous combustion of cars with internal combustion engine, when the cause was a battery or electrical wiring ? There is a huge number of such cases ! And how many fires have occurred in houses due to poor quality electrical wiring ? Poor quality electrical appliances ? From improper use?  I have not seen any statistics that would say that the number of spontaneous fires in electric cars is critically different from other cars, and that this problem is systematic and widespread ?

I have seen diesel companies trying to switch to something more sustainable like biofuel. It is good that we are starting to improve on different ways to protect our environment. I have no doubt that in 10 years, we can achieve something or invent something that could change the way cars work and for the better.

Do I think it can be implemented 100%? Yes, maybe in developed countries but for third world countries, it might be hard to acquire whatever innovation there is to come.

It might take longer for third world countries to catch up and implement the innovation completely across the country. But a step is a step and I am glad we are moving forward still with mother nature in mind.

well this one should be a concern we know the temperature varies across the world and indeed a battery could definitely react differently at hot temperature I think in those places they need to add some technology for heat dissipating im sure it was caused by the heat didn't properly get dissipated meanwhile the temperature outside car is already hot enough.
but the thing with these new technology is that, they will definitely find a way to prevent that, its up the their research and development department in giving some measure.
though to be frank, this kind of case, really rare, i mean if we are speaking fairly there are many cases of phone battery exploding in various place maybe due to improper use of the battery itself.
but yeah talking about car that have human sitting on top of it, this should be a serious concern for long term because people are just recently jumping into this technology but people definitely won't risk their safety for nothing.

Can happen anywhere that temperature is a factor, not just the heat but the cold is a serious issue for battery technology.   There are ways to mitigate this problem but it reduces efficiency and is a reduction in performance and increase in cost no doubt about it.   My biggest take on this whole technology is the development and direction of advancement.  If you believe they can improve the product then be bullish because of course cars with combustion engines were far from perfect in fact it took a century to really make them the modern wonder they are.  

There is no perfect product, we have to observe the high and low points and check there is a good chance of improvement.   I do think that's now true and batteries themselves are not all the same, they are paths to improvement underway.   Im not a chemist or even slightly qualified to judge but I think batteries will advance a great deal from now.

Would you care to provide the source of that information about exploding batteries in Venezuela? I am Venezuelan and I have not seen news about it here.
Also, I would like to point out that electrical vehicles here are quite rare and are reserved for people who have much money to pay for those. Even though we are going through a political and economical crisis, this is still an oil producing country and because of it, this may be one of the last countries in this continent which will choose to go through the transition from gasoline to electrical vehicles.
It is simply not convenient for the current political administration to encourage people to switch to electrical vehicles, because of how much this country is dependant on the selling of oil to the inner market and also the our foreign costumers.

By the way, water itself does not conduct electricity, it has to have disolved ions on it for it to be able to transport electrons, nevertheless, it would be possible the water being used by firefighters to indeed have some concentrations of minerals and salts which could make it suitable for the transport of electricity, how knows... It depends on the source of the tap water.  

The era of fuel-using cars is gradually coming to an end because the world is trying to reduce the amount of carbon been producing and if you look at places like Africa most of our cars like 80 % of them are using fuel and too much exposure to carbon dioxide as put our planet to risk. so companies are trying to reduce the production of fossil cars but the problem now is that in the process of providing a solution to our problem, we are creating more problems because even the cars they are trying to provide are not cheap, so how can we afford it when it is at that rate since they don't want to help matters we are going to continue using our fossil cars since those are the once we can afford. if not having an electric car will be nice.

In one of the hottest regions in Venezuela people reported exploding batteries.
Have you fingered yourself in a car whose bottom is full battery and the firefighters roll on with water?
Being electrocuted and not burned 2 choices we have.

Fuel cell is by far the better technique. Personalized transport was as shortsighted as they come.

This could be a reality considering the pace of Electric vehicles that are increasing around the world. Electric cars has proved them to be superior than ICE ones in performance.
Some people do argue that the electricity produced are done by burning coal or fossil fuel but that's too changing rapidly with the world adopting renewables at an unprecedented rate. The nation I live in generate 90% of electricity from renewables and are planning to get rid of fossil fuel in near future. Along with the adoption of renewables, there should also be promotion for ev adoption so that the adoption is quicker. Not only renewables and ev are better for environment and climate but it also improves the air quality and overall cleanliness of the city. Can't gurantee for everyone but a lot of countries would have 100% EV by 2035.

We already have new innovations and inventions of models of cars that doesn't use petrol as engine fuel, instead they are using solar or other renewable energy source, but more are to be discovered about this varieties on how they can be adopted on a large scale use and duration, we cannot keep using the petroleum as the only dependent source of all moving vehicles, we ,must try to get in more of this new inventions in case of future uncertainties about the abundance of these natural resources and their availability. 

The main thing is that the course towards abandoning gasoline and diesel engines was chosen, although a little late, but correctly. Now we no longer have to take into account the economic side of introducing electric or other engines that are environmentally friendly in comparison. The consequences of global climate change will in any case cause much greater economic damage in the future.

The fact that large manufacturers of gasoline and diesel engines do not really want to change their established production is understandable. But the state can easily “convince” them if it raises their taxes many times over for such environmentally harmful activities.

A couple of days ago, several big car manufacturers announced that they will keep the conventional internal combustion engines in production. R&D teams are going back to the labs until at least 2039. Why such a decision has been made? Was it caused by the Tesla meltdown in the US this winter? Or perhaps Toyota bosses being sceptical about EV? I'm not sure what was the reason, but many people are starting to admit that EV tech is not mature enough to be used en masse yet. 

I'm not in favor of world conspiracy theories, reptiloids, and an oil-based world government
Yes, there are interests of this or that group, but for example, if we talk about oil - if we were such villains as you described it - we would have oil at 2000 dollars per barrel and there was a ban on any means of transportation except for vehicles on the internal combustion engine and every inhabitant of the Earth would be obliged to buy it.
You are not confused that the "owners" of oil are now divided into several groups, absolutely contradictory and with different interests.

The real problem is that 50-30-20 years ago there was no technology, equipment and ability to produce real mass product. In the last decade technology has moved forward very much, so I start to realize ideas that 50 years could exist only as IDEAS, and no one was killed for them

I feel like EV is going to have the same faith as petrol cars with gas installation have. It was about economy on first place, and gas seemed to pollute atmosphere less than diesels or petrol. It was a trend. Now where have those gas cars gone? I rarely see advertisement about gas installation, rarely see such cars on trading platforms. EV could have same faith, just a trend. People will try it, fans will keep buying such cars, but majority will still use engines with internal combustion.

This is what i do really have in mind on which it would really be impossible that there would really be no killing on this one if this one would be pushed through. We do know on how big oil/gas industry and how
many those billionaires are milking from it. Do we really think that they would really be just simply allowing such transition? Even EV's had already quite sometime into its existence but it didnt really that much
getting much more progress or getting that kind of popularity or something like that.  We dont know on what the future holds but we arent that blind that due to this severe pollution on which our mother earth
is really that suffering or having that damage. Its not really that bad on having that transition in between petrol/diesel cars to EV is really that hard.

Reality or dream? There's no way that we could really be able to tell on what would really be that the future holds or what would happen. This is why
if you do see that there's such transitions then human beings would really be just that adjusting into that.

Hugeblack saw this coming! It was a vision to him and now it is a reality. Very soon petrol and other fractions of it will all be gone. To be sincere if am fucking rich to the extent i can afford my solars panel and inverter, buy my tesla car. I wont have anything to do with diesel or petrol. The rate at which government are manipulating the price of them is so annoying. And this is affecting countries with the natural resources.

There is no other way to say that there must be firmness in situations where uncontrolled climate change often occurs because humans cannot control themselves to be able to preserve nature well. So there must be firmness in maintaining all of that, and you are right that climate change is currently happening very quickly at any time. It seems like scientists are already worried about this. I think what you are saying will happen in the future when the temperature will change drastically, and it could be that European countries will be colder than usual and tropical countries will be hotter.
Precisely because it is still early days, at least there must be prevention as soon as possible so that fruiting can return to normal.