It is not plausible that there will be no diesel cars by mid-2035. It may be that the process could begin by then and be introduced in many states on a trial basis Another system requires a revolution before another revolution is concerned with many and if electric cars take off, the price of electricity will skyrocket.Now maybe oil or gas dependent countries are taking various opportunities to increase the price of these two things, so this decision might be coming and the current world is leaning towards renewable energy because it is environment friendly.But when we become dependent on electric power, those who have achieved great success in the power generation sector will take the same opportunity, they will increase the price of electrical appliances along with the price of electricity If given, car prices will skyrocket and developing and underdeveloped nations will be largely deprived and left behind in modern facilities.So in my opinion both should be used in combination rather than relying on one so that neither side can do anarchic business.And in order to save the world from the hands of the environment, climate change must be prevented, for this the use of renewable energy as an alternative to natural energy has been called by the United Nations as one of the 17 goals of the United Nations SDG Having a goal with the medium renewable energy statement is however very important.
Finally, I would like to say that if this system is introduced, certain countries will benefit and other countries will be in danger and the oil producing countries will not accept it and will not allow it to be implemented by 2035It is nothing more than a dream that many major oil or gas producing states will withdraw from the policy and continue the system as before as a result of various proposals by the states.
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Speaking about batteries, what is the current situation on the market with them? Are there enough specialists to perform maintenance? What if all of a sudden something happens with a battery? Can it be replaced in a week? Or there are queues in services? Only official dealers are able to do that? How hard or easy it is to change old to a new or fix (if it is even possible)? Are there battery alternatives on the market? As with petrol/diesel cars, it is a matter of 3-5h to change old plastic or aluminum (dont know much about old cars, maybe it isnt aluminum, new cars have plastic tanks), new original or alternative tank can be found in 1 day, plus old can always be fixed or cleaned.
I would like to add a few words about the batteries themselves, because today they are the bottleneck of electric cars. In the very near future, new technologies for the production of energy storage systems will appear on the market. Among these technologies:
Carbon nanotubes of lithium electrode
Copper nanowires of the lithium cathode
Lithium-air carbon
Silicon lithium
Carbon-foam capacitor hybrid
Lithium-silicon polymer
Lithium sulfur-carbon nanofiber
Lithium-manganese composites, silicon-carbon nanocomposites
And perhaps the most important technology or concept is the transition from purely rechargeable batteries to the concept of super-capacitors.
All of this ultimately solves several problems:
1. Capacity
2. Charge rate
3. Number of charge-discharge cycles
4. Cost
5. environmental friendliness of production and recycling
Carbon nanotubes of lithium electrode
Copper nanowires of the lithium cathode
Lithium-air carbon
Silicon lithium
Carbon-foam capacitor hybrid
Lithium-silicon polymer
Lithium sulfur-carbon nanofiber
Lithium-manganese composites, silicon-carbon nanocomposites
And perhaps the most important technology or concept is the transition from purely rechargeable batteries to the concept of super-capacitors.
All of this ultimately solves several problems:
1. Capacity
2. Charge rate
3. Number of charge-discharge cycles
4. Cost
5. environmental friendliness of production and recycling
It will be reality in nearby future. Because there are other types of vehicles becoming popular like electric vehicles. In my country, even the leading political company is in favor of no more petrol cars by 2030.
If this support is aimed at the next seven years, I think there will still be petrol vehicle users during that time. Because personally, everyone is starting to consider this from now on, even though many people still don't have an electric vehicle at the moment, because there are still basic things that many people are thinking about.
Such as the durability of the vehicle and also easier service when you want to make repairs to the vehicle or want to make modifications to the electric vehicle, so these are considerations that many people are thinking about now before actually using an electric vehicle for the long term. Especially for people who don't like changing vehicles in a short time, it is clear that they will be very detailed in making their analysis and considerations for the future.
Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035
Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms
Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?
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The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.
Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms
Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?
It will be reality in nearby future. Because there are other types of vehicles becoming popular like electric vehicles. In my country, even the leading political company is in favor of no more petrol cars by 2030.
I don't think the current fiasco Tesla is under serves well in making the electric vehicle industry look good in the public, or at least the face of electric vehicles for that matter, Maybe we should push this back a little further lol like in the 2050s or something? That seems a little more feasible since improvements in the guiding systems as well as other peripherals are also being looked upon by many ev manufacturers lately. Tesla's under fire, Audi's not getting anywhere with their electric vehicles, and while China has been doing their part in creating these electric vehicles, they haven't penetrated the global market just yet and their shit had that bad reputation of always breaking down. Not looking good for our EV bois.
Batteries being produced now can last ten years or more fairly easily as I understand it. Some good care is required but its quite possible and normal for any user to do that. In future we will improve technology further but its fair to say the first uses of battery technology did register too commonly failure before the ten year mark but technology advances at a much higher rate then expected so from what I've seen the whole sector will be fine.
The other point not being estimated correctly is how well cars can integrate into an economy especially with irregular energy production the battery becomes a utility device to store that cheap energy when available. Most house holds cannot currently store cheap off peak energy but the electric car unlocks that ability and will add efficiency across the country as usage rises.
These reasons and other positives are why we might be underestimating the rising use of electric over prior technology. For fun driving I still want petrol same as anyone else but most car use is for practical reasons so I see transition will occur imo.
The other point not being estimated correctly is how well cars can integrate into an economy especially with irregular energy production the battery becomes a utility device to store that cheap energy when available. Most house holds cannot currently store cheap off peak energy but the electric car unlocks that ability and will add efficiency across the country as usage rises.
These reasons and other positives are why we might be underestimating the rising use of electric over prior technology. For fun driving I still want petrol same as anyone else but most car use is for practical reasons so I see transition will occur imo.
What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.
I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.
I am sure that Hyundai will charge EV owner for this service, and powerbanks are partial solution. I mean, you never know when you completely run out of gas or power in your can. It always happens suddenly. With regular car, you can use any bottle, any container to get some fuel. While such powerbanks for EV I think will be sold only in specific shops. And how huge this powerbank has to be? With 1l bottle with petrol you can ride on average 10km, and it isnt heavy. If EV powerbank is as heavy as AC, then it will quite an adventure to bring it back to car from shop if you stuck in a middle of nowhere.
Like I’ve said, I dont have EV and experience with owning it. Maybe I am dramatizing a lot and life with EV is much easier. But right now I am to cautious of having it as a main car and riding it every day without having a headache of how and where to charge.
there has been many problems about the battery of some EV suddenly empty out of nowhere, this definitely a serious concern if one wanna own EV.
because we don't know if our EV will eventually got some problems like this, even having powerbank will become useless if the battery isn't healthy.
there are still many problems with EV honestly that still gets unexposed, eventually once it becomes more mainstream, it will have many problems surfacing.
thats when the development would advance for this technology.
If this is the case then for sure it would really be that something that kind of chance and as we do see that there are already several companies now had launched up their EV's and there are ones who had
already manufactured their last combustion engine car on which we can presume that they would really be that going ahead with EV's on which consumers wont really be having no option but
to accept if ever this one would realy be fully be switching up then consumers would really be needing to adopt but it would really be that totally that convenient if we do have tons
of charging stations in the road on which it would really be that giving that convenience to consumers for them to have that switch up.
Sale for now then it might be still less but since it is really that still starting up and if it would be able to prove it self on the market about its durability and efficiency
then there might be some recognition later on and demand would increase.
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batteries made for electric cars are also not good for the planet
Really depends on the battery chemistry, how its acquired and made also. The main thing is technology is advancing this whole avenue of power, we have the possibility to use more natural elements and more easily recycled. If it weren't for progress the battery and solar power route would not be viable anyway, its come so far it doesnt make too much sense to believe we cannot also continue to advance and see even greater gains.
We should have a variety of routes in future not just one path, it will still be the case both gas and oil have unique properties that are useful and will be used for another century. My take on why that is again history, coal was surpassed a century ago its not near to the best since then however it has its uses.
What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.
I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.
I am sure that Hyundai will charge EV owner for this service, and powerbanks are partial solution. I mean, you never know when you completely run out of gas or power in your can. It always happens suddenly. With regular car, you can use any bottle, any container to get some fuel. While such powerbanks for EV I think will be sold only in specific shops. And how huge this powerbank has to be? With 1l bottle with petrol you can ride on average 10km, and it isnt heavy. If EV powerbank is as heavy as AC, then it will quite an adventure to bring it back to car from shop if you stuck in a middle of nowhere.
Like I’ve said, I dont have EV and experience with owning it. Maybe I am dramatizing a lot and life with EV is much easier. But right now I am to cautious of having it as a main car and riding it every day without having a headache of how and where to charge.
there has been many problems about the battery of some EV suddenly empty out of nowhere, this definitely a serious concern if one wanna own EV.
because we don't know if our EV will eventually got some problems like this, even having powerbank will become useless if the battery isn't healthy.
there are still many problems with EV honestly that still gets unexposed, eventually once it becomes more mainstream, it will have many problems surfacing.
thats when the development would advance for this technology.
The total face-off for this petroleum product is not obtainable, we can only say that the price will reduce drastically because of the new measure on the ground as an alternative, despite that carbon monoxide is a dangerous gas people still prefer gasoline engines because it is more powerful and can discharge its command effectively than electric, much work needs to be done in other to get this alternative energy effective, remodeling of batteries that will feet particular stuff that's meant for, so, for now we should wait for improvement.
Just my few cents about engine and exhaust sound:
Motorcyclists modify their exhaust system by making it laud not only to piss everyone off, but also to increase their passive safety. If you hear it, you are warned. EV are sometimes so silent, that you sometimes can be scared by their sudden appearance. I think that engine sound increases a bit overall safety. Sometimes people dont bother looking left and right when they pass the street, but hearing incoming car might give that extra 1% of safety.
Motorcyclists modify their exhaust system by making it laud not only to piss everyone off, but also to increase their passive safety. If you hear it, you are warned. EV are sometimes so silent, that you sometimes can be scared by their sudden appearance. I think that engine sound increases a bit overall safety. Sometimes people dont bother looking left and right when they pass the street, but hearing incoming car might give that extra 1% of safety.
Just cant realize what gonna do all the V8-V12 engine fans if the world turns into EV production only. Personally, one of the reasons why I dont like EV is their sound, or I would better say soundless rides. They sound like the trolleybuses. I would pay for petrol car only for hearing roar every time I press pedal. You might say that owners can always install individual exhaust systems and get that roar (modern manufacturers actually do that by installing sound modifiers with V6+several turbines in fast cars, that used to be V8-V12 in past), but that will always be fake.
If you are a car enthusiast then hearing out that V12 or V8 sound would really be just music to the ears on which i do completely agree, but if you are really just that in concern with that then pretty sure car manufacturer who had switch to EV path would definitely be considering on putting up some speakers just to hear out that ICE kind of sound which would really be that giving out that kind of vibe
but for me then it would really be just still not that enough since you know deep inside that it isnt real. Even myself doesnt really like that kind of thing.Yes, when it comes to efficiency
and really that helping about surroundings due to green energy but i cant really just that resist that with the current internal combustion engine cars is really that still preferable.
If it turns out that there would really be some flipping out with those ICE cars then there's nothing we can do about it but pretty much sure that those old models will definitely be increasing its price?Possibly.
Also, making up that full integration or switch will really be taking up some time which we know that maintaining EV"s wont really come cheap and from that battery alone
then you would definitely be that thinking up twice when time comes.
Just cant realize what gonna do all the V8-V12 engine fans if the world turns into EV production only. Personally, one of the reasons why I dont like EV is their sound, or I would better say soundless rides. They sound like the trolleybuses. I would pay for petrol car only for hearing roar every time I press pedal. You might say that owners can always install individual exhaust systems and get that roar (modern manufacturers actually do that by installing sound modifiers with V6+several turbines in fast cars, that used to be V8-V12 in past), but that will always be fake.
First of all, why you talk about next 30 years, when in topic name it is mentioned 2035. It is just 10 years, which is very short period for history of engines, and there suppose to be no petrol/diesel cars, and all the fuel stations gonna be rebuilt to EV chargers. Also consider that petrol/diesel engine engineers dont just sit and wait until their engines becomes useless. Wont it be easier to create more ecology friendly engine, than convert all fuel stations to electric charging stations?
Honestly I don't think that we will reach this target by 2035. Even in the United States, less than 10% of all the vehicles are EV. And in third world nations (except China), this proportion is much lower. Current EV manufacturing capabilities are not sufficient to increase the number of EVs by 30x to 40x by 2035. Setting up the factories is one thing, but ramping up the mining of essential metals such as Lithium, Nickel and Cobalt is another. Honestly I don't think that the Cobalt production can be ramped up by a lot, since a limited amount of this metal exists on earth's crust.
What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.
The drive for no or minimal combustible engine is a good one and will prevail over time, this might only delay more than the world leaders envisaged, yet it's a project that have come and come to stay for the common good of the earth. All your concerns about the EV are only genuine for now, but have you thought of it in the next 30 years when the initiative would have dominated very well?By then, all this concern of the distance of getting your battery charged or changed would have long gone since many businesses would have been built around it to the point that you might see where you even get your battery fixed and not only charged. The filling station you see today didn't just sprout overnight, it took time, and the more the petrol engines fade away, the more the EV project springs up, and even those petrol stations you referred to would be converted to the EV workshops.
First of all, why you talk about next 30 years, when in topic name it is mentioned 2035. It is just 10 years, which is very short period for history of engines, and there suppose to be no petrol/diesel cars, and all the fuel stations gonna be rebuilt to EV chargers. Also consider that petrol/diesel engine engineers dont just sit and wait until their engines becomes useless. Wont it be easier to create more ecology friendly engine, than convert all fuel stations to electric charging stations?
What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.
The drive for no or minimal combustible engine is a good one and will prevail over time, this might only delay more than the world leaders envisaged, yet it's a project that have come and come to stay for the common good of the earth. All your concerns about the EV are only genuine for now, but have you thought of it in the next 30 years when the initiative would have dominated very well?By then, all this concern of the distance of getting your battery charged or changed would have long gone since many businesses would have been built around it to the point that you might see where you even get your battery fixed and not only charged. The filling station you see today didn't just sprout overnight, it took time, and the more the petrol engines fade away, the more the EV project springs up, and even those petrol stations you referred to would be converted to the EV workshops.
What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.
I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.
I am sure that Hyundai will charge EV owner for this service, and powerbanks are partial solution. I mean, you never know when you completely run out of gas or power in your can. It always happens suddenly. With regular car, you can use any bottle, any container to get some fuel. While such powerbanks for EV I think will be sold only in specific shops. And how huge this powerbank has to be? With 1l bottle with petrol you can ride on average 10km, and it isnt heavy. If EV powerbank is as heavy as AC, then it will quite an adventure to bring it back to car from shop if you stuck in a middle of nowhere.
Like I’ve said, I dont have EV and experience with owning it. Maybe I am dramatizing a lot and life with EV is much easier. But right now I am to cautious of having it as a main car and riding it every day without having a headache of how and where to charge.
What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.
I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.
What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.
Good example with a "catch"
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- yes, you have to realize that an electric car assumes that you will plan your route with energy consumption in mind. At the moment, when gas stations for e-cars are not so common.
- If you have an electric car, and you "stop" in a place where there is electricity, you can get minimal help when you are pulled a short distance where there is ...an electrical outlet, and "refuel" your car with the minimum amount of energy needed.
- If you have an internal combustion engine and you stop in the middle of a field where the nearest gas station is 50 kilometers away, you also have a very unpleasant situation. The only hope is that someone will share the gasoline, provided that someone either carries a canister or drains the tank, if they have the necessary equipment. Or will pull to the nearest gas station. Where, for example, there may be a lack of the necessary brand of gasoline.... That's a tricky situation, too. Although I agree, there are more gasoline stations than electric stations.
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