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Quote from: Baki202 on December 17, 2023, 07:43:12 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on December 16, 2023, 05:17:19 AM

"UN climate summit recognizes for the first time the need to divest from oil and gas
Participants at the COP28 conference in Dubai were able to agree a final deal calling for divestment from fossil fuels"

It doesn't mean stop producing oil tomorrow, it doesn't mean all transportation will be electric tomorrow.

But it does mean reducing dependence and oil production. Considering that most of the oil is used for fuel, this will be the main area for reducing consumption. Especially in this market (motor vehicles) there are already technologies that allow to do this.

In situations such as these, many nations will run out of ideas and business due to their reliance on oil. As a result, nations that produce oil ought to be considering the ongoing harm that fossil fuel-powered vehicles cause and searching for solutions for the future. This is how things should be done, and the push toward greener and electric vehicles is an excellent strategy.

however this doesn't stop oil production, it will undoubtedly have an impact on the market. If countries that rely on oil can find other ways to maintain economic growth, they will do so because they cannot continue to harm the environment through their operations.

That's why smart countries whose economies are based on selling resources (oil) have been investing huge sums in developing new energy production technologies for years. This is the difference between smart countries and not so smart countries. Smart countries are those who live for the future, not so smart countries are those who live for today and do not think about the future.

And one more news on the topic:
The German company e-Revolt offers a service for converting gasoline and diesel cars into electric vehicles. The key feature of the transformation is that it takes only 8 hours to replace a gasoline or diesel engine with an electric powertrain.
The cost of adaptation is much lower than the decision to purchase a new car.

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Quote from: WillyAp on December 17, 2023, 12:02:11 PM

Quote from: STT on December 16, 2023, 06:25:48 PM

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding.

In Venezuela and I'm pretty sure in other hot countries those batteries are the weakest link. They overheat and catch fire.
Just imagine sitting in a burning car and the fire brigade trying to extinguish it with water.

True I do wonder about performance in a desert from the current technology. Also true is batteries now really dislike cold weather and suffer massively, so not only must over heating be countered and controlled but also we must actively warm up the batteries from the extreme cold present in many countries for at least half of their working year.
So thats the current liability of the present technology, Im suggesting we see a change in the lay of land due to immense change possible in technology. My source would be the vast changes that have occurred in the past, all this tech wasnt even viable years ago we could power a watch reliably and that was considered very good at one point. Wasnt even reliable back then.
Already true is that alternate tech exists in battery, the chemistry that makes up batteries can be entirely different. They no longer are vulnerable subject to explosions or epic failure patterns, future battery tech can be using something close to sea salt if I understood it right. I will look for a good source on that as Im no chemist, Im just stating the possibility is there for sure.

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Quote from: STT on December 16, 2023, 06:25:48 PM

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding. The whole growth sector is an attractive prospect to develop for.
The reality however will be even if new cars are not to be petrol or diesel we will still just reuse the older vehicles until decades have passed, the signal this will occur is possibly from trucks already starting to do this. Its far better to buy an older second hand truck then try to make the newer ones work perfectly for a higher cost.
Eventually the technology will overwhelm the older designs but I think we are talking decades for all sizes of motors from motorcycles to giant truck and trains, it is a long term transitional movement.

That why the EU wants to stop this. They're actively trying to develop laws that will make it illegal for older cars to be repaired if there's an engine failure, to shorten lifespan of vehicles but this is a dumb idea and I'll tell you why. You buy a car and the engine fails after 3 years which happens sometimes in new "eco" cars with aluminum engine blocks and turbos. You paid $30k for a new car and it's scrap because you're not allowed to fix it. What about large machines and trucks? Most of them are diesel powered. Are we going to stop whole road transport now because they want to reduce emissions?

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Quote from: STT on December 16, 2023, 06:25:48 PM

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding. The whole growth sector is an attractive prospect to develop for.
The reality however will be even if new cars are not to be petrol or diesel we will still just reuse the older vehicles until decades have passed, the signal this will occur is possibly from trucks already starting to do this. Its far better to buy an older second hand truck then try to make the newer ones work perfectly for a higher cost.
Eventually the technology will overwhelm the older designs but I think we are talking decades for all sizes of motors from motorcycles to giant truck and trains, it is a long term transitional movement.

Nothing could be perfect in an instant on which development and further enhancement would really be definitely along the way on which it would really be just that normal that there would really be flaws about with this EV trend on which i dont see for it to be a bad thing if ever we do have that switch up but just like on what most people been saying on here is that i do really believe on the same thing on which
there would really be disadvantages too. When it comes to efficiency and no emission thing then hands down to that. People would really be that too mindful about when it comes to maintainance thing
on which it wont really come cheap for sure.

This is why i dont really believe that in 10+ years time on which these ICE cars would really that cease to exist. Why wont really be just saying that better have both with these things?
Fir sure petrol companies wont really be letting these things to happen.

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Quote from: STT on December 16, 2023, 06:25:48 PM

Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding.

In Venezuela and I'm pretty sure in other hot countries those batteries are the weakest link. They overheat and catch fire.
Just imagine sitting in a burning car and the fire brigade trying to extinguish it with water.

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Quote from: DrBeer on December 16, 2023, 05:17:19 AM

"UN climate summit recognizes for the first time the need to divest from oil and gas
Participants at the COP28 conference in Dubai were able to agree a final deal calling for divestment from fossil fuels"

It doesn't mean stop producing oil tomorrow, it doesn't mean all transportation will be electric tomorrow.

But it does mean reducing dependence and oil production. Considering that most of the oil is used for fuel, this will be the main area for reducing consumption. Especially in this market (motor vehicles) there are already technologies that allow to do this.

In situations such as these, many nations will run out of ideas and business due to their reliance on oil. As a result, nations that produce oil ought to be considering the ongoing harm that fossil fuel-powered vehicles cause and searching for solutions for the future. This is how things should be done, and the push toward greener and electric vehicles is an excellent strategy.

however this doesn't stop oil production, it will undoubtedly have an impact on the market. If countries that rely on oil can find other ways to maintain economic growth, they will do so because they cannot continue to harm the environment through their operations.

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Battery technology will continue to develop, in over a decade the gains will be quite substantial especially if you consider the potential market unfolding. The whole growth sector is an attractive prospect to develop for.
The reality however will be even if new cars are not to be petrol or diesel we will still just reuse the older vehicles until decades have passed, the signal this will occur is possibly from trucks already starting to do this. Its far better to buy an older second hand truck then try to make the newer ones work perfectly for a higher cost.
Eventually the technology will overwhelm the older designs but I think we are talking decades for all sizes of motors from motorcycles to giant truck and trains, it is a long term transitional movement.

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"UN climate summit recognizes for the first time the need to divest from oil and gas
Participants at the COP28 conference in Dubai were able to agree a final deal calling for divestment from fossil fuels"

It doesn't mean stop producing oil tomorrow, it doesn't mean all transportation will be electric tomorrow.

But it does mean reducing dependence and oil production. Considering that most of the oil is used for fuel, this will be the main area for reducing consumption. Especially in this market (motor vehicles) there are already technologies that allow to do this.

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For the environment it won't do much.
People turning vegetarian has a larger effect.
Anyway in the 3rd world gasoline will remain the main fuel for engines.
EV explode around here, their batteries can't stand the heat.

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Quote from: Biznesmen on November 05, 2023, 12:27:11 PM

Zero-emission cars by 2035
The net zero goal is also referred to as carbon neutrality. State in which a country's emissions are compensated by the absorption and removal of greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. Absorption of emissions can be increased by creating more carbon sinks, such as forests. If the absorption and removal exceed the actual emissions, it is even possible for a country to have negative emissions (e.g., Bhutan). Global carbon neutrality is the only way to achieve the Paris Agreement target. So the banning of petrol and diesel cars by 2035 is a welcome approach, and we will wait and see if it becomes a dream or reality.

It was the dream project for the many companies,but due to stock clearance to the market it was hard to get the petrol free vehicle.The carbon emissions was the huge phenomenon in the environmental pollution.The government had take many steps to reduce the carbon emissions of coal to the environment by the LPG gas,this reduced the wood usage for the food preparation.The government also increased the engine in the vehicle and in bike it was now BS6 to reduce the emissions.But this was seems the myth,because the electric vehicle will be the only solution to reduce the emission from the vehicle.

Quote from: erep on December 15, 2023, 04:33:52 PM

The future of electric cars and electric bicycles has developed rapidly among society, all elements of society expect more types and designs of electric cars and bicycles to be released on the market, they hope that the implementation of fuel cars will soon be replaced by electric cars and they also expect the government to provide electric car charging facilities at various points so that the government will support a new era without pollution to create a healthier environment.

Many companies had started the production of the electric vehicle,but due to the less charging station.Many people was not ready to buy the electric vehicle,this was the market for the petrol based vehicle.Even my friend recently brought the bike and refused to take the electric bike for the vehicle charging stations was low here.

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Quote from: hafiztalha on December 15, 2023, 12:59:52 PM

Yes, I agree with you. The future of electric cars is very bright .There will be no pollution due to cars. Now in our environment,there is almost 50 percent pollution is due to automobiles that are working on road . These are thinning the ozone layer that is protective layer in atmosphere. That is big step of Elon Musk to Indroduce electric Cars. Electric Cars will decrease pollution in our environment and there will be less diseases due to pollution.But people should use public transport for long run.People should be knowledgeable about environment and in every school ,there should be subject for awarenesses to protect our environment from pollution.

The future of electric cars and electric bicycles has developed rapidly among society, all elements of society expect more types and designs of electric cars and bicycles to be released on the market, they hope that the implementation of fuel cars will soon be replaced by electric cars and they also expect the government to provide electric car charging facilities at various points so that the government will support a new era without pollution to create a healthier environment.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on November 20, 2023, 05:47:45 AM

I don't think it will take time to implement such a far-reaching plan until 2035. Electric battery powered vehicles are common nowadays so we feel that even in our country five or ten years from now no oil powered vehicles will be found. However, even if there are no oil-powered vehicles, many problems will be faced, especially light vehicles will run on electric or some other battery, but heavy long-distance vehicles will have to run on diesel. Moreover, if all the vehicles have electric powered devices, then in terms of our country, there will be a huge pressure on the electricity. Currently in our country, the government does not have importance on electric vehicles, but if solar system vehicles are introduced, the importance of the government will surely increase.

Yes, I agree with you. The future of electric cars is very bright .There will be no pollution due to cars. Now in our environment,there is almost 50 percent pollution is due to automobiles that are working on road . These are thinning the ozone layer that is protective layer in atmosphere. That is big step of Elon Musk to Indroduce electric Cars. Electric Cars will decrease pollution in our environment and there will be less diseases due to pollution.But people should use public transport for long run.People should be knowledgeable about environment and in every school ,there should be subject for awarenesses to protect our environment from pollution.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on November 20, 2023, 05:47:45 AM

I don't think it will take time to implement such a far-reaching plan until 2035. Electric battery powered vehicles are common nowadays so we feel that even in our country five or ten years from now no oil powered vehicles will be found. However, even if there are no oil-powered vehicles, many problems will be faced, especially light vehicles will run on electric or some other battery, but heavy long-distance vehicles will have to run on diesel. Moreover, if all the vehicles have electric powered devices, then in terms of our country, there will be a huge pressure on the electricity. Currently in our country, the government does not have importance on electric vehicles, but if solar system vehicles are introduced, the importance of the government will surely increase.

I have been watching the electric car market for a long time. What I can tell you is:
- In 2023, electric cars are being mass produced by almost all brands. From frankly budget to premium. China in general by the end of the year showed a lot of models with very low prices (of course conditionally low, compared to the average electric car market) and very nice characteristics. Taking into account that this will be a mass product and will enter other markets - other carmakers in the middle segment will be EXPECTED to reduce the prices of their models as well.
- Regarding trucks. As far as I know, new alternative technologies have not bypassed this segment either. There are electric and hydrogen-fueled tractors. And this segment of transportation is also looking towards alternative energy.
I'm not ready to say about heavy construction transport, but companies involved in transportation, or forced to constantly deliver goods (e.g. post operators, chain stores and their distribution networks), also do not want to increase the cost of goods and services due to fluctuations in the cost of oil, and for them alternative systems are EXPENSIVE.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 22, 2023, 12:35:06 AM

Quote from: HelliumZ on November 20, 2023, 07:30:10 AM

It is not possible to say what other countries will do but banning petrol/diesel vehicles in my Bangladesh will not be possible at all. We are always plagued by the terrible curse of loadshedding, so if we have to find alternative vehicles to petrol or diesel, there will be pressure on electricity which our country Bangladesh cannot control, as a result mill factories will close down. So it is not at all possible to discover or import any alternative vehicle to petrol in Bangladesh.

Even in developed nations such as the US and EU, less than 10% of the vehicles are electricity-driven. In the third world nations, the proportion is much lower. Given this, even by 2035 I don't think that a large fraction of the vehicles will be EV even in the developed nations. Bangladesh is a relatively poor country, and I am not sure whether the population there can afford the EVs on a grand scale. Current technology hasn't advanced enough to make the prices of EVs on par with gasoline and diesel driven vehicles.

It is possible to introduce electric driving cars in countries like UK and USA and they can achieve 70% of them by 2035 but in a poor country like my country Bangladesh it is impossible to increase electric driving cars by 10%. Here if we reduce the pressure on fuel oil and emphasize on electric power then there will be so much pressure on our power plant where we are thermal power plant.If there is a huge impact on the thermal power plant, then the forest resources of our country, especially the Sundarbans, and various important forest areas will be destroyed and there will be so much pressure on foreign imported coal that we cannot estimate. In poor countries like our country, electric driving cars are activated and diesel petrol dependent cars are stopped Not possible at all.

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Quote from: HelliumZ on November 20, 2023, 07:30:10 AM

It is not possible to say what other countries will do but banning petrol/diesel vehicles in my Bangladesh will not be possible at all. We are always plagued by the terrible curse of loadshedding, so if we have to find alternative vehicles to petrol or diesel, there will be pressure on electricity which our country Bangladesh cannot control, as a result mill factories will close down. So it is not at all possible to discover or import any alternative vehicle to petrol in Bangladesh.

Even in developed nations such as the US and EU, less than 10% of the vehicles are electricity-driven. In the third world nations, the proportion is much lower. Given this, even by 2035 I don't think that a large fraction of the vehicles will be EV even in the developed nations. Bangladesh is a relatively poor country, and I am not sure whether the population there can afford the EVs on a grand scale. Current technology hasn't advanced enough to make the prices of EVs on par with gasoline and diesel driven vehicles.

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Quote from: HajiBagi on November 20, 2023, 06:45:55 AM

While it is encouraging to see electric vehicles on the road, some nations may find that the cost of certain materials has increased. Currently, many nations struggle due to the high cost of petrol and diesel, so our next concern is whether or not these nations can afford electric vehicles. I don't mean to imply that it won't be nice to have one, but everything has advantages and disadvantages. Some people cannot afford electric vehicles, let alone cars, and no matter how they are made, many people will not be able to afford them because I think electric cars will be much more expensive than gasoline-powered cars from the outset.

With the way the world moves, in years to come, there'll be crucial changes as to how the world is viewed. Innovations emanate everyday and they make for the world's transformation. Electric vehicles usage won't be a bad idea either to the wealthy or less wealthy nations, yes at first it may seem challenging trying to make the switch but months to years after, there'd be this balance in the settings and the advantageous effect would be seen.
Use of electric vehicles will help the economy and make movement lot more easier, in terms of crude marketing and all and the glitch that may be encountered would be the set up of the chargers, the cost effectiveness and manpower but I believe it's one good innovation that's very much likely to exist in years to come and the less wealthy nations won't hesitate in being a part of it. We already seeing it take effect soon the use of gas driven vehicles will ceased to exist. The introduction of electric cars will help reduce the air pollution we are currently facing thereby improving the global warming.

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I think the first step to switching from regular petrol cars to EV would take more than 10 years, as we first need to make changes in human minds and their vision of EV. A lot of people think that the only advantage of EV is that they pollute less than petrol or diesel. But many people still afraid of battery maintenance. They dont know how much it will cost, but a lot of people still are scared of used EV or hybrid cars. That is just a fact, many would not buy EV or hybrid cars because battery replacement cost "like 1/2 or 1/3" of a car.

Absolutely agree with you. Paradigm shifts and global technology shifts, in the mass market, take decades.

And there are a lot of nuances, from economic nuances to mental perception. Do you know how long the world has been moving away from horse-drawn vehicles to automobiles? And there are still countries and regions that use horse-drawn carts, buffalo in the fields....
I am absolutely sure that mass transition will be limited to some countries with high standard of living, developed infrastructure, population living in the "future" (including concern about future ecology).

So the conversation is more about mass trend than about mass transition

To bad every single trend has an end. I dont know what really gonna force people to stop producing and using petrol/diesel cars. What is the worlds oil supply? Is the amount of oil that still can be gained calculated? Lack of oil is the only reason why people would switch to EV cars. Imo, many still consider EV as an expensive toy than a transport for daily usage and all needs. Possibilities that EV offer are still limited.

The real question is: is it really possible for that to happen in the future? For me, the answer is yes; we just don't know what year that will happen. So, that means we are not sure if that will happen in the year 2035.

Now, the question is: what are the possible alternatives to replacing petrol or diesel when those are gone? Some of what I know are the following: biofuels, synthetic fuels, electricity, and advanced battery technologies. There are others that I will not mention; I will just give the link.

Other alternative replacements for diesel or petrol in the future.

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Quote from: Pejoh Asu on October 18, 2023, 08:26:36 AM

I think no petrol/diesel car sales by 2035 is a dream, as we know that big countries are still investing in petrol and diesel mining so if there are no petrol/diesel cars then petrol or diesel sales will drop, especially since switching to electric cars also requires almost the same power or cost. Moreover, even now in developing countries there are still many homes that do not have electricity.

It is not possible to say what other countries will do but banning petrol/diesel vehicles in my Bangladesh will not be possible at all. We are always plagued by the terrible curse of loadshedding, so if we have to find alternative vehicles to petrol or diesel, there will be pressure on electricity which our country Bangladesh cannot control, as a result mill factories will close down. So it is not at all possible to discover or import any alternative vehicle to petrol in Bangladesh.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on February 17, 2023, 06:46:01 AM

How about those poor countries? Are they capable of having charging stations in those remote areas? I think this would be implemented in rich countries, as they are sure to be capable of it. For sure, in that year, electric cars will be more affordable compared to their price right now, as most people really want electric vehicles, but the problem is that they don't have charging stations, and the price is also very expensive. Also now for sure that it is pretty normal to see electric cars running on the road, unlike right now, it is a head-turner when you see one.

While it is encouraging to see electric vehicles on the road, some nations may find that the cost of certain materials has increased. Currently, many nations struggle due to the high cost of petrol and diesel, so our next concern is whether or not these nations can afford electric vehicles. I don't mean to imply that it won't be nice to have one, but everything has advantages and disadvantages. Some people cannot afford electric vehicles, let alone cars, and no matter how they are made, many people will not be able to afford them because I think electric cars will be much more expensive than gasoline-powered cars from the outset.

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I don't think it will take time to implement such a far-reaching plan until 2035. Electric battery powered vehicles are common nowadays so we feel that even in our country five or ten years from now no oil powered vehicles will be found. However, even if there are no oil-powered vehicles, many problems will be faced, especially light vehicles will run on electric or some other battery, but heavy long-distance vehicles will have to run on diesel. Moreover, if all the vehicles have electric powered devices, then in terms of our country, there will be a huge pressure on the electricity. Currently in our country, the government does not have importance on electric vehicles, but if solar system vehicles are introduced, the importance of the government will surely increase.

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