Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 11. (Read 3567 times)
What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.
Any EV owners here? Would gladly hear your daily driving and charging routine. I have never driven EV. I have no EV owners among close friends, that will tell the truth about EV. All I have are only those who have bought new EV recently and they are still under impression of a new car, than EV car. I can afford to buy a small EV, but the idea of riding 400km in one way to mother-in-law to other city with just 1 charge scares me, as I am not used to planning route from rare electric charge to charger.
I've tried EV even having long range traveling with it, 400km for every charge is true, usually you will want to have some checkpoint where you gonna stay for few hours to charge and eat some bread and coffee before the battery completely empty. usually if there's charging outlet with fast charging capability then you will have no worry about charging at least 30 minutes you gonna get around 200km range. but its problem when there's no infrastructure for your EV nearby you will think of finding some place to stay and charge using your own charger which usually gonna take a long time more than 3 hours.thats why its still ineffective, there are many things need to be improved. after all, waiting for hours while using fossil fuel you only need few minutes to get your vehicle running for another hundred kilometers is already a dissappointment on its own, but surely with time, the technology will advance and gets perfected.
Why would you want to make people change their cars? Why not let them drive what they want?
I like my car, I wouldn't want to change it. It's has a gasoline engine, has a nice sound that I enjoy while driving. I don't want an electric car that sounds like nothing, doesn't feel like there's a machine inside, isn't fun. I'm fed up with socialists telling me what to do with my life. If they want people to drive electric cars they should compete on the free market. Make electric cars cheaper and better looking than the gasoline cars instead of trying to force people to choose by taxing and fining them.
I like my car, I wouldn't want to change it. It's has a gasoline engine, has a nice sound that I enjoy while driving. I don't want an electric car that sounds like nothing, doesn't feel like there's a machine inside, isn't fun. I'm fed up with socialists telling me what to do with my life. If they want people to drive electric cars they should compete on the free market. Make electric cars cheaper and better looking than the gasoline cars instead of trying to force people to choose by taxing and fining them.
Is anyone really forcing you to throw away your gasoline-powered car, take the money out of your account and buy an electric car? I honestly don't know of any such examples. There is popularization and promotion of this technology - here I agree. And many people make their choice in favor of electric cars. Some, like me, can use an "intermediate option" - hybrid cars. If my memory serves me correctly, only Norway imposes any legal restrictions on the sale of personal cars with internal combustion engines.... And that's not accurate.) But in Norway the culture of saving nature and ecology is already high, I think people there will massively switch to electric cars without any coercion.
Any EV owners here? Would gladly hear your daily driving and charging routine. I have never driven EV. I have no EV owners among close friends, that will tell the truth about EV. All I have are only those who have bought new EV recently and they are still under impression of a new car, than EV car. I can afford to buy a small EV, but the idea of riding 400km in one way to mother-in-law to other city with just 1 charge scares me, as I am not used to planning route from rare electric charge to charger.
Complete pipe dream by that time frame. Here’s the thing I don’t think most people realize about that these batteries made for electric cars are also not good for the planet, they use up a lot resources to make them and I’m not so sure it’s all that much better or a deal at this moment in time or not (environmentally wise).
One day it’ll be all electric or we will learn how harness and store solar power for long periods of time.
I don't know whether these battery can be recycled, I guess after sometime of use they lost their element characteristics, the mining of these batteries also caused massive environment damage, it makes me think whether electric vehicle is the right path to go, after all there are hydrogen fueled vehicle that quite literally just produce water as its waste.One day it’ll be all electric or we will learn how harness and store solar power for long periods of time.
quite better if compared with electric vehicle though thats only knowing the basic, but the fact that its so expensive producing the hydrogen fuel is a problem on its own.
the thing is right now, we need something thats efficient, cheap to produce while also saving the planet, and I think we need to make decision about this.
whether to go on hydrogen fuel or electric vehicles, though as said, EV on its own have its own implication of polluting just as bad as fossil fuels.
Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035
Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms
Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?
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The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.
Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms
Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?
Still, there are some 12 years for this, as there is an increase of Electric Vehicles so these things will be less with time to time. As we have seen in some countries there are only those cars which are only running through the batteries I mean they are electric and mostly government can take many benefits from it. The European countries love this way of car advancement and especially the young generation which loves cars which run on electricity and they are chargeable instead of petrol and diesel in which they have to fill their cars with diesel which are too costly.
For the young generation, it will be very expensive the cars which run on petrol and diesel and many countries which are average and there are low salaries for the people so they want it.
I think it would be better for the people of these countries that in 2035 we would see all over the countries there will be only Electric Vehicles and there will be no cars that run on petrol and diesel.
Cuba hasnt had new cars built or imported since the 1960's mostly and they did just fine for at least ten years or more. The drama over the deadline is a bit overspun, it wont matter so much except to the companies selling these cars themselves who require the production to be more seamless then the effect of a dead stop incurs on the industry.
Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it. Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.
Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it. Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.
If it has been that easy to do, why are many other car producing companies not making moves to create other alternatives that people can use aside the ones that make uses of petrol or diesel engine, if we are that much interested in having new offers that may erase the totally dependence of the use of petrol or diesel cars, then we may still have a long way to go in achieving this, already there are cars that dont depends on that, but the economic sustainability of using those kind of cars must also be well considered.
Complete pipe dream by that time frame. Here’s the thing I don’t think most people realize about that these batteries made for electric cars are also not good for the planet, they use up a lot resources to make them and I’m not so sure it’s all that much better or a deal at this moment in time or not (environmentally wise).
One day it’ll be all electric or we will learn how harness and store solar power for long periods of time.
One day it’ll be all electric or we will learn how harness and store solar power for long periods of time.
It could be a reality but making people change the car is not an easy task.
We might see car manufacturers produce some small electric cars but not all the brands and some of them make the hybrid version of cars. I think the roadmap would be like this Conventional Car -> Hybrid car -> Electric Car -> Future Generation Car ex. Hydrogen Car. But make transition is hard task and need government support.
We might see car manufacturers produce some small electric cars but not all the brands and some of them make the hybrid version of cars. I think the roadmap would be like this Conventional Car -> Hybrid car -> Electric Car -> Future Generation Car ex. Hydrogen Car. But make transition is hard task and need government support.
Why would you want to make people change their cars? Why not let them drive what they want?
I like my car, I wouldn't want to change it. It's has a gasoline engine, has a nice sound that I enjoy while driving. I don't want an electric car that sounds like nothing, doesn't feel like there's a machine inside, isn't fun. I'm fed up with socialists telling me what to do with my life. If they want people to drive electric cars they should compete on the free market. Make electric cars cheaper and better looking than the gasoline cars instead of trying to force people to choose by taxing and fining them.
Going by the take of people using the internal combustion engine cars, I think most people that are not open to new technology and innovation will want to stick to what they have known all their lives and not change course.
The reason is because, they don't want to learn new 'tricks at old age'. However, there exists a set of people who are crazy about technology and wants to try out the new technology. There will be a challenge in trying to entirely change the system to Electrically driven cars until/except the government steps in with sanctions, which is what the Europian Parliament has done. However, I do not see the posibility of it being global until certain infrastructural challenges are addressed, especially in places where power generation isn't sufficiently produced.
The reason is because, they don't want to learn new 'tricks at old age'. However, there exists a set of people who are crazy about technology and wants to try out the new technology. There will be a challenge in trying to entirely change the system to Electrically driven cars until/except the government steps in with sanctions, which is what the Europian Parliament has done. However, I do not see the posibility of it being global until certain infrastructural challenges are addressed, especially in places where power generation isn't sufficiently produced.
You made a very good point about habits. People of the older generation have a unique way of thinking and a fear of the new. From a personal example: a couple of years ago I suggested to my father (80+ years old) that he replace his car with an internal combustion engine with an electric car like the Nissan Leaf - for driving around the city, and his needs are sufficient with a huge margin, plus comfort and safety. The answer stunned me - “I won’t drive it, I don’t know how to fix it”
I tried to explain that it is much more reliable, plus you don’t have to fix it yourself - there are service companies - not at all! “I don’t know how it works, how I’ll drive it, and where’s the clutch pedal anyway!?” )) Therefore, I agree with this - there will still be a layer of people with a similar mindset who will operate “their favorite gasoline car” until their “last breath”, but will not switch to the new technology...PS But I’ll add - at the age of 70 he became interested in a computer, I gave it to him - and he MASTERED it and uses it constantly for his needs. It turns out that when you want and are interested, there are no fears of something new
Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035
Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms
Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?
Quote
The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.
Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms
Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?
Going by the take of people using the internal combustion engine cars, I think most people that are not open to new technology and innovation will want to stick to what they have known all their lives and not change course.
The reason is because, they don't want to learn new 'tricks at old age'. However, there exists a set of people who are crazy about technology and wants to try out the new technology. There will be a challenge in trying to entirely change the system to Electrically driven cars until/except the government steps in with sanctions, which is what the Europian Parliament has done. However, I do not see the posibility of it being global until certain infrastructural challenges are addressed, especially in places where power generation isn't sufficiently produced.
It could be a reality but making people change the car is not an easy task.
We might see car manufacturers produce some small electric cars but not all the brands and some of them make the hybrid version of cars. I think the roadmap would be like this Conventional Car -> Hybrid car -> Electric Car -> Future Generation Car ex. Hydrogen Car. But make transition is hard task and need government support.
We might see car manufacturers produce some small electric cars but not all the brands and some of them make the hybrid version of cars. I think the roadmap would be like this Conventional Car -> Hybrid car -> Electric Car -> Future Generation Car ex. Hydrogen Car. But make transition is hard task and need government support.
There's a sudden flood news and launching of electric vehicles in my country(Philippines) recently. And it's like our government is setting the idea of 50% EVs and 50% diesel/petrol cars by 2040. I don't know if that's going to be possible but with the keep on rising of petrol's price, maybe it's possible as everyone in here looking for a way to save. There are already countrymen of mine that have purchased small EVs. And I think that we're expecting more of these EVs to be launched for the next coming years but I just don't like most of them since they're Chinese brands.
such target of having 50% of vehicle turning electric is definitely possible, but only if the government help incentivizes the use of electric vehicles, only then the demand for the EV will increase, and then the company that built the ev will also help support the infrastructure, beside from the government action itself in building the EV infrastructure.honestly it just needs electric plug with big capacity then you're set.
I can see many gas station also making these things available so the infrastructure building needed aren't that massive, its still quite rare right now because not many people own EV.
There's a sudden flood news and launching of electric vehicles in my country(Philippines) recently. And it's like our government is setting the idea of 50% EVs and 50% diesel/petrol cars by 2040. I don't know if that's going to be possible but with the keep on rising of petrol's price, maybe it's possible as everyone in here looking for a way to save. There are already countrymen of mine that have purchased small EVs. And I think that we're expecting more of these EVs to be launched for the next coming years but I just don't like most of them since they're Chinese brands.
such target of having 50% of vehicle turning electric is definitely possible, but only if the government help incentivizes the use of electric vehicles, only then the demand for the EV will increase, and then the company that built the ev will also help support the infrastructure, beside from the government action itself in building the EV infrastructure.honestly it just needs electric plug with big capacity then you're set.
I can see many gas station also making these things available so the infrastructure building needed aren't that massive, its still quite rare right now because not many people own EV.
The infrastructure for the electric vehicles weren't perfect all around. The progress slowly takes place, however it won't be effective to stop the production of petrol/diesel cars by 2035. At the beginning people were hesitant to buy ev, and slowly got used to it as they've got charging station and other facilities all around. Then the high pricing stood as a hurdle and making calculation on the amount spent on fuel cost, people started to move towards EVs. However this couldn't move the automobile industry towards no petrol/diesel car by 2035. According to the prevailing situation and the current production of petrol/diesel cars there is more petrol/diesel required. This means at any point the production hadn't got cut, aln alternate have got added.
But if the government makes fuel scarce in order to encourage people to prioritize the use of electric cars. So this will force people to switch to electric cars. or fuel prices can be raised to a higher level which makes the price calculation for using fossil fuels and electricity the same or even more economical for electric cars.But still, without adequate infrastructure, everything will run slowly. Electric cars still won't get much interest if the electric vehicle infrastructure itself isn't ready.
There's a sudden flood news and launching of electric vehicles in my country(Philippines) recently. And it's like our government is setting the idea of 50% EVs and 50% diesel/petrol cars by 2040. I don't know if that's going to be possible but with the keep on rising of petrol's price, maybe it's possible as everyone in here looking for a way to save. There are already countrymen of mine that have purchased small EVs. And I think that we're expecting more of these EVs to be launched for the next coming years but I just don't like most of them since they're Chinese brands.
Cuba hasnt had new cars built or imported since the 1960's mostly and they did just fine for at least ten years or more. The drama over the deadline is a bit overspun, it wont matter so much except to the companies selling these cars themselves who require the production to be more seamless then the effect of a dead stop incurs on the industry.
Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it. Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.
Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it. Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.
Not cure if bringing the case of Cuba is completely valid as a comparison, Cube has not been able to renew their automobile park because of political reasons, over economical ones. They had to learn how to repair and keep their old cars running by their own, basically.
The case of the European Union is different, they are aware of the problem which the global climate change could represent for future generations so they want to become leading market for EV. The deadline can be moved, sure, but the environmental implications won't let them to forever stretch the deadline.
The autonomy of EV is not very great, that is true, and certainly pouring gas onto a tank is faster than changing a battery.
EVs are easier to be implemented in densely populated zones than in rural areas, where people are more isolated, the EU would not mind if those in rural places continued to use gasoline, after all the big cities are the one which contaminate the most.
Honestly gov't quite understand the problem, as the charging station can be on a 1-2-3-... charging ports. Eventually you can put 2-3-4-... pieces of them and get more charging ports
It is not much of a problem, but the question of how convenient it would be to use it. If I set my own charging station in my underground parking with 2 charging ports and leave there car there till fully charged during the night, how can I let someone else use charging port (third vehicle) without going down and changing parking places with that third vehicle? Night is from 23 to 7, my car charges lets say 3 hours. If I want to let third neighbor to charge, what should I do? Wake up at 2 at night, go down and move my car? Of course no one would do that. Make charging cable extensions or separators? Isnt it making a whole process of just charge your car to complicated if we compare it 5min full tank fill of petrol/diesel car?
The problem with charging stations is following in my city - I see cars left plugged in to charging stations on the streets for more than a full charge. People plug their electric cars, and leave them plugged for few days. Just because they dont need to ride anywhere and it is kind a parking spot. The solution is simple - place charging station next to every single parking place, like parking meters in the US. But that gonna cost fortune. Without such expenses, EV's will still be a kids of exceptions, but not regular vehicles.
Well, I wouldn’t consider such specific cases. Not everyone drives during the day, and during the day you can rent out a charging station while you are away. The charging station can be located in a “common area” and roughly serve 2-4 parking spaces. Here the question is limited only by imagination!
The main point remains - it’s easier to implement than your own gasoline/diesel/gas filling station, and the technology allows you to monetize this solution without human participation at the station. I like the concept better - looking for how to solve a problem than explaining why it cannot be solved 
I think no petrol/diesel car sales by 2035 is a dream, as we know that big countries are still investing in petrol and diesel mining so if there are no petrol/diesel cars then petrol or diesel sales will drop, especially since switching to electric cars also requires almost the same power or cost. Moreover, even now in developing countries there are still many homes that do not have electricity.
Such initiatives can be successful. If we consider a few things we can easily understand that there will be no more oil-powered car in the future. If an electric car can be operated for less than the cost of driving a combustion engine car, it will definitely be accepted by everyone. On the other hand, electric cars will not harm the environment, so a user can benefit from all sides. The EU aims to implement this by 2035. While it is easy to take such steps in developed countries, it will not be easy to implement it in underdeveloped countries. Because there are many countries where electricity supply is still not 100%. But with the change of times, as everything is changing, at some point Oil powered car will also change. It's just a matter of time. I hope that electric cars will be adopted in many countries by 2050. 
Cuba hasnt had new cars built or imported since the 1960's mostly and they did just fine for at least ten years or more. The drama over the deadline is a bit overspun, it wont matter so much except to the companies selling these cars themselves who require the production to be more seamless then the effect of a dead stop incurs on the industry.
Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it. Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.
Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it. Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.
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