Topic: No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream? - page 12. (Read 3572 times)

Yeah, it's true the world is changing from fossil fuels to electric and solar systems. The fossil fuel cost is very high and people want to get rid of it and the best choice for them is to go towards electric cars. The Middle Eastern countries are fully dependent on oil they export oil and take the money and most of the revenue approximately 80 to 95% on oil and now they want to get rid of it because the world going for electric cars. The prince of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Muhamand Bin Salam started a mission named MBS mission 2030. In this mission, he wants to change this dependency on oil on time and much. They do think for the future and if it goes the same then I think the future will be de electric cars

Regarding the forecast, I absolutely agree with you. In the field of cargo transportation, construction equipment, ship transportation, military equipment - especially diesel solutions will be in demand for a long time, gasoline ones too, but to a lesser extent, due to the lower torque of the engines and more expensive maintenance.

But the segment of personal transport in developed countries will actively migrate towards hybrids and electric vehicles! For personal ownership, this is at least more profitable in terms of regular operating costs

It is not much of a problem, but the question of how convenient it would be to use it. If I set my own charging station in my underground parking with 2 charging ports and leave there car there till fully charged during the night, how can I let someone else use charging port (third vehicle) without going down and changing parking places with that third vehicle? Night is from 23 to 7, my car charges lets say 3 hours. If I want to let third neighbor to charge, what should I do? Wake up at 2 at night, go down and move my car? Of course no one would do that. Make charging cable extensions or separators? Isnt it making a whole process of just charge your car to complicated if we compare it 5min full tank fill of petrol/diesel car?

The problem with charging stations is following in my city - I see cars left plugged in to charging stations on the streets for more than a full charge. People plug their electric cars, and leave them plugged for few days. Just because they dont need to ride anywhere and it is kind a parking spot. The solution is simple - place charging station next to every single parking place, like parking meters in the US. But that gonna cost fortune. Without such expenses, EV's will still be a kids of exceptions, but not regular vehicles.

it just matter of waiting until electric car becoming truly viable and cheap, when the efficiency also increase, in which i'm talking about the charging time and the range it could go, then electric vehicle would start to dominate the automobile industry.
currently the efficiency of these many electric cars are still doubted, even the electric trucks one which was supposed exist to give alternative to those big industries that have frequent transporting needs to help reducing carbon footprint and save up money for their diesel fuel.
there was still no real demand for it, because the efficiency was a bit of a let down, it needs further research to perfect the technology.

The infrastructure for the electric vehicles weren't perfect all around. The progress slowly takes place, however it won't be effective to stop the production of petrol/diesel cars by 2035. At the beginning people were hesitant to buy ev, and slowly got used to it as they've got charging station and other facilities all around. Then the high pricing stood as a hurdle and making calculation on the amount spent on fuel cost, people started to move towards EVs. However this couldn't move the automobile industry towards no petrol/diesel car by 2035. According to the prevailing situation and the current production of petrol/diesel cars there is more petrol/diesel required. This means at any point the production hadn't got cut, aln alternate have got added.

And thats an another too advance scenario on which it would really be just better that we should really be sticking up first with those initial arguments in between petrol/diesel vs electric vehicles.
Disadvantages on making yourself smells like gas? I dont know if this one is really that a serious problem or really just that simply you are really just that too sensitive even on the slightest things which arent
supposed to be an issue. Speaking about taxes then whatever that provides services and making out income then it would really be that always subject to taxation and its not really that something new
on which neither its been privately owned or not then we do know on whereit would really be heading.

In the main question whether there's still those ICE vehicles on 2035 then i would say yes. EV's might really be that be significant numbers in the future but cant really be that be able to
remove those ICE vehicles. It would really be still that relevant but well who knows on what the future looks like and there's no way on telling on how it would be
looking like. This is why its a bit pointless on making out some debates on something which arent even sure to happen.

But in general on which oil/gas/petrol/diesel would really be that still significant when it comes to usage. Not everything would really be that relying on electric
power and im sure of this one.

Honestly gov't quite understand the problem, as the charging station can be on a 1-2-3-... charging ports. Eventually you can put 2-3-4-... pieces of them and get more charging ports

I do not know where you live and what is the situation in this market, but in my Ukraine, there are a lot of companies selling franchises for charging stations. And you can buy any equipment, which is complete with specialized software (your management system + mobile application for customers), ie a set for a quick start.
Taxes. Yes, they are everywhere. For example, we have a light form of taxation for small businesses. For example, under scheme 3, you can receive a year up to 5,000,000 UAH of income (it is about 135,000 dollars), and pay 5% of income. You can buy a station for each member of the family, conditionally 3 people who will each conduct individual entrepreneurial activity, and a year the family can safely get up to 400.000 dollars, paying from this amount, for the year, 5% taxes.

Not for the purpose of advertising: https://ugv.ua/ru/shop/ - just choose, buy, start a business
The supplier company helps in the following matters:
- project development
- installation of the charging station
- connecting it to the UGV Chargers network
- Providing software for the charging process
- placing the charging information on the map
- service maintenance

I fully understand that petrol/diesel stations have disadvantages also, like dirty and smelly hands after you use fueling pistol. And it is impossible to organize own gas station due to excise tax, environmental issues, lack of storage and fuel supplies wont simply work with such small buyers like individual persons.  With organization of "personal charger" and sharing it with others instantly appears  problem of "who will be first, second... to charge". If it takes 1-2h to charge, then whos gonna wake up at night, go to parking and switch cars that will charge next? Of course that all is negotiable, but one day someone will get lazy to do that.

And with "selling charging service" income tax appears. Dont know about other countries, but in our country individual entrepreneur must pay annual tax even he during tax year he did nothing. Also if his turnover exceeds 30k, he looses status of IE and must become LLC. It might turn, that if a persons wants to sell his charging service, he will either work with a loss, or the income wont be reasonable to start this service. When the word service appears, a lot of people already act that you owe them. The owner will become that person that runs at nights to switch charging cars, and people would be unhappy or unsatisfied if they arent fully charged by morning.

Sounds logical, but.
if you have a gasoline/diesel car - whether you want it or not, you have no options, you have to go to a gas station ! And you can't organize it at your place.
But to make at least "slow charging" in a parking lot/garage/parking lot - it is not difficult and possible. And if several car owners agree - it is possible to install "fast charging".  And still it will be profitable against the background of gasoline costs, and taking into account the monetization of this charging station by selling charging service for other owners of electric cars

I have 1 charging station near the parking lot, there seem to be 4 charging nodes. But I do not say what type... I'll check tomorrow

I think no petrol/diesel car sales by 2035 is a dream, as we know that big countries are still investing in petrol and diesel mining so if there are no petrol/diesel cars then petrol or diesel sales will drop, especially since switching to electric cars also requires almost the same power or cost. Moreover, even now in developing countries there are still many homes that do not have electricity.

That is true, nobody forbids me from hooking car on the charge for whole night. But there is only one disadvantage of it - it has to be my own charger. I need to spend extra to get wires to my parking spot (in case I have private parking space under my flat or a house). Otherwise I will have to do rounds on the block, because charging spots are not next to every lamp post. That is extra time searching and walking home if charging spot is far from where I live.

We have following charging spots: usually there are two (fast and slow) at big petrol stations (big is the one with 8+ gas stations). Maybe 1 spot every 1km parallel road at dormitory area (but these parking spots are often occupied with regular fuel cars at night). In the city we have charging spots, but often they are occupied by office employees (they come at 8, hook they car and leave it till 5, even if they are fully charged in few hours).

If I come at evening and put my car charging till morning, wont be be a bad manner? If will surely be charged faster than my sleep and I will simply occupy a charging stop? Or you suggest to wake up, and move the car? Which will cause to search for parking stop for the rest of the night. Now compare all that written with 5min and full tank with petrol or diesel.

the infrastructure will be linear with the electric car demands, after all it takes time, same with oil station, do they pop up overnight? definitely no it needs time to be developed and made it sufficient for the general public.
even though its indeed that the charging time definitely a concern, because not many can afford waiting an hour just for the sake of charging, i'm pretty sure there will be better technology that can speed up the charging time.
even better if there's new technology that could bring capability of reducing the charging time into minutes.
overall that will make it become real competition for fossil fueled engine, because otherwise industry need faster and efficient transportation.

Totally that a marketing strategy kind of stuff on showing those fuel economy numbers on which we cant really be able to deny that this is one of the most important thing that buyers would really be that in concern before buying a car which is on its fuel economy or efficiency on which the higher the number the better but its true that those are really just that on paper and not really that based up on real time or real life situation
which tons of factors and things that could really affect in overall. So dont expect that it would really be that on point but rather it is really that way more lesser. In speaking about EV charging speeds then we do have those fast chargers. The only issue on here is that it isnt really that available on any places just like with those gasoline stations which it is almost on everywhere on which anxiety would really be there on the time  that you've been cruising with your EV on a particular trip.

Its really that hard to believe that petrol/diesel would cease to exist because of that EV's existence. They might exist but not on the point that would be totally replacing those traditional stuffs.
When it comes to performance and features then there's still things which EV cant really be able to replace or match up with those diesel/petrol powered cars
and some application on which needed up this thing which it would really be  that always relevant and much needed.

the demand might have gone up a little and the supply is sufficient but how many people can actually afford cars, even till now people are still driving cars of the 1990s till now not because of anything but affordability, and if you look at the nature of these future cars like tesla they are sweet because you won't buy fuel and you also have a autopilot on the menu. the law won't be general for all countries if not where will people see the money even now people are finding it difficult to buy a car.

I think such potential problems will be taken into account and will be “balanced” by some mechanisms. For example, the cost of charging depends on the frequency of consumption of this service. Well, or something similar, because... For suppliers who own charging stations, such a picture will also not be very profitable.

Regarding the abandonment of internal combustion engines, I completely agree with you that in the next 20 years it will not be possible to completely abandon them. They will remain in cargo transportation (although the Tesla truck solves the problem), internal combustion engines will be in demand in armies, internal combustion engines will be in demand in underdeveloped countries for many years to come.. But many countries, and what is important, CONSUMERS are taking the vector at least towards hybrids with an eye on full-fledged electric cars. As a result, it is quite possible to reduce the 2/3 of emissions you indicated !

Health and profit to you!

Yeah 1000km = 600 miles = far enough for almost anyone. The issue of charging vanishes for sane people.  But as we all know there are lots of less than sane people. So they will be a problem and need to face heavy discipline if they fuck up.

If not they will overwhelm charging areas and cause issues. My house has a 60 amp circuit I use for mining I could put a charger on it and charge overnight easy peasy. I do have the Tesla Truck on preorder with the 500 mile / 800 km battery.

But I am sane. I also have had asthma for 18 months to my current 66 years old. So I am naturally anti fuel oil. ( I realize 100% reduction may not be achieved.) But if we could reduce it by ⅔ it would be big for all of us not just me.

Needless to say all these figures are for near perfect performance, but this also has a logical rationale - no one knows how the car will be operated! Some people drive on good roads in a cycle of home-office-home, alone or with a wife, for example. And the other will drive from the fields to the market, in the area where the roads are bad, to transport crops from the field, with a load close to the limit. The latter is of course exaggerated, but to understand why such differences. I know myself - you turn on air conditioner/heating - and that's it - running reserve, though not critical, but changes not for the better. But here I mean something else - even if to take that the estimation is overestimated by 15% from real exploitation - it is already a good indicator. For example, 850 km is enough for me to drive from the capital to any border of the country. Especially if we take highways where the cycle is the most optimal (although it is not used almost recuperation).

With such a power reserve, the question of charging actually disappears - after driving 8-10 hours, the driver will definitely rest and noticeably more than 0.7 hours. Nobody forbids to put the car on charging in the evening and in the morning to have 600-1000 km of reserve for the day. By the way, the power reserve is clearly higher than the average needs of the average driver (we do not take cabs and similar services).

Personal statistics, the truth on hybrid RAV4, hybrid, model year 2022, full tank 55 liters - 900+ km. Used it a couple of times when I went to Transcarpathia

This is a very good news for Tesla, the world's most popular electric car manufacturer that produces electric cars with great designs. By 2035 the sale of diesel and petrol cars will stop if there is an outright ban on selling such cars, if there is no ban people will still buy diesel and petrol cars after 2035. 

The production of petrol and diesel is decreasing day by day in the world which is very bad news for the world so this kind of steps may be taken to reduce the demand of oil. Every year the price of this fuel is increasing but we have seen the highest price increase this year since last year. If the price of diesel and petrol continues to skyrocket like this, then it is very bad news for diesel and petrol powered vehicles, that's why the government of various leading countries may be deciding to drive through electricity.

I am 100% sure that those 650km and 1008km range were calculated under perfect weather conditions, when the car drove unstoppable with constant speed with only 1 driver and empty trunk. Manufacturers always do that and call it as average and default. These results are only on the paper. Real life tests are always different. I did not have much cars, but those 4 I've had during my drivers career never showed same numbers that were in the users manual.

However, charging speed remains the bottle neck of all electric cars. With 0.7h charge time, you are bond to the car. Leaving it and going away most probably would increase queue time for other drivers that wants to charge. That would be disrespectful. With high probability, the driver will get bored by waiting and would go to gas station to get snacks. That is a "+" for petrol companies, and less effective economy in electric vs fuel expenses battle.

Its perfectly realistic on the face of it because we can just use older car parts, it will constrict supply vs demand though which might cause some petrol or diesel cars to become worth more rather then the usual sharp depreciation.
  The biggest threat is not the car production but electric infrastructure across the country.  Just the simple question of charging time, queues, durability of recharge stations, etc. to supply this new growing fleet of drivers; surely not all new car buyers have previously used electric power as a source before so its inevitable growth in demand for those services.  Infrastructure of electricity supply is solely lacking apparently, that is the biggest flaw in it all.