Topic: [NR 1] Triplemining.com <> BIG jackpot every week <> - page 10. (Read 113696 times)

shubhank008: it's very simple.  You still have > 100 cpu miners on our pool.  Yes you removed most of them, but only when they are ALL gone I unlock your account.  Same rule for everybody: having hundreds of cpu miners is not something I can allow therefore your account will only be unblocked when they are gone.  All of them.

Sorry to do this kinlo when we had such good talks till now on IRC but I myself am fedup and frustrated now waiting since 2 weeks for my acc balance to be paid and all my funds always in my account with that acc block excuse saying I am abusing server resources even though I am now mining at 6GHs rather then my 20GHs regular

You unblocked my acc 3 days ago as I asked yet payment wasnt done and now I chk my account and its blocked again, and I donot want to hear same reason that my user's are abusing your system or such as I am using the same proxy you gave me from my linux servers since a month and all users connect to it.

I even asked my users if anyone connects directly and they dont, so that looks like a excuse now, I was patient and waiting all these days to get paid but now I read many same reports on the forum and even a website I am part of so I cant wait.

I need my Balance: 2.43910617 BTC paid out that the pool owes me since days now.

I didnt wanted to go this route by now my account is again blocked with no payment so far and I cant wait, I hope you can payout my current pending funds and I am probably going to stop mining here now.

If you donot want to pay the funds say so, I will just stop straight away and have other friends who joined on my advice stop aswell, sorry to say but I will surely hold some grudge over that for sure against the pool.


http://puu.sh/3l89z.png

That's actually a Very Good Thing, a doubling of hashrate.

next stop 200hrs!

Yeah, there was a hardware failure.  Nothing we can do about that :/
It has been replaced and everything is back up

You might have to clear you cache. The site has been down for more that past few days but it appears the pool/statistics is still up and running. It seems to have been only a website dns issue, but the website is working for me as of today.

It is working for me.  I don't know what exactly went wrong, but as far as I understood it it was a screwup at our dns provider.  I will request more information so I have a better view on what happened.

In any case, if you can't mine, you can temporary use the ip address 88.198.25.9.  Do remember to change that back to the name, as we reserve the right to change the ip at any time

I expect that all issues will be resolved soon.

Can confirm this. Pool is working for me since 09:53 CEST

The dns issue should be fixed, please allow a few moments for dns to propagate

yes.. not only the website. It seems there is an issue with DNS resolution

Let's indeed just stop this discussion.  I made my point.

The points we're disagreeing on is that you think I should not take actions to people who are hurting the pool, and are costing more to me (financially, to keep all servers running) than they actually earn in total.  You think I should help people and pay out of my own pocket for resources for those people that abuse the pool.  You think that I should payout funds to people that, when pointed out that they abuse, are simply refusing to stop with it.

If that is the way you think, there is nothing I can do.  I can just only hope for the sake of our entire world, that most people do not think this way.



In any case, I will never ever hurt those people that are loyal to the pool and don't abuse the pool.  And anyone who is a bit smart should understand that.

Sure, I will end this right here, because everything has been said by now.

Now, no op should block payments for already mined work in the first place.

Second, I do not know or have certainty if these accounts are botnets or not, and I do not really care. The fact is just that they have had their payments frozen for already mined work. I will agree on having methods for blocking botnets by the way, will not agree however on not releasing payments for already mined work. If the pool op keeps payments for this mining work for himself, well may be that's his own problem then.

The main point that should be clear for miners at this pool is that the op may choose to block payments at anytime just after blocks have been found, with any reasoning, valid or not, as he chooses. They should also be aware that this pool does not make automatic payments when blocks are found/confirmed. Therefore miners themselves mining here should just take note of that and decide whether to trust the operator or not. Regarding the bad luck streaks I will trust organoforti and his excellent work for the community to judge that.

There are many, many pissed off users out there. These are nice people and not criminals. I believe the op will end up eating up just a bit of his own medicine. But that's my personal opinion, of course.

End point.

Well, that explains a lot. CPU miners are not "low hashrate miners" they're electricity wasters. Sounds like kinlo is trying to stop botnets mining at his pool, and good for him. You're a botnet miner, adara? Or just have criminal friends?

Lets stop this which hunt right now, adara. These people with unpaid BTC need to step forward, or you need to STFU.

You have taken much of what I said in the PM out of context and the rest is lies. I never said I was an old friend, 'throwing squid' nor was I EVER owed anything.

Triplemining was not the only pool mentioned as having suffered an unusually bad luck streak during the days/weeks leading up to the halving. I DID NOT IMPLICATE ANY OF THOSE POOL OPERATORS.


@Kinlo  I will gladly forward you a copy of the PMs if requested. Plz know, I have no malicious intent here.

HT

Please do not twist my words.  I never called them thieves.  I made an analogy to thieves to justify my blocking actions, but I never claimed that these people are thieves.  I'm giving everybody the benefit of the doubt.


This is not true.  We do not block anyone's account like that.   We are only temporary blocking accounts, we have not blocked accounts permanently.  We are also only blocking clear abusers.  And in all cases we will unblock the account as soon as the abusive behavior stops.  So should anything go wrong, just stop mining and ask for an unblock, we have unblocked all accounts that have requested this that stopped the abusive behavior.

Also, abusive behavior means you have to have many, many miners under 1 account.  Accounts are supposed to be personal, if you are using more then 1000 computers to mine, and you can't figure out you might be doing something wrong....

Also, if you have a small amount of brains, you should know that I will never ever block anyone without a good reason.  If I would block people at random, the pool wouldn't survive that long.  What I am doing is stopping abuse, not pestering the miners on my pool.  Honest miners should actually love that, as they would know that abuse that would degrade their mining experience is handled.


There are no such cases.  There are cases of people that request an unblock but did not stop their abusive behaviour.  If they would just move their miners away and ask an unblock, I will honor that request  However, all cases you refer to are people that just want the funds in their account but do not or are not able to remove their miners.   Please stop making false accusations, and just request an unblock when all miners have been moved away and I will honor that request.


if they would be gone, I would gladly unblock them.  Unfortunately, my server logs prove that they haven't.


No pool should ever accept them.  They are economically nonviable.  We're talking about clients that do less then 1 megahash.   They should not mine at all.


As organofcorti already explained, statistically spoken all values are within reason.  And they will always be so, as we take the integrity of our pool very seriously.  And to add to that: when you use stratum, you can verify yourself which blocks we are mining on, and you can check for yourself which blocks are found by the pool.  Since everybody on stratum can see the generation transaction, there is no way for me to cheat on that.  To go even further: I can still reproduce every blockheader/share found by the pool in the last year and actually prove that everything in this pool is correct.  And that includes the bad luck streak from November.

Wait, what? kinlo doesn't want low hashrate miners? Where does he say that?


If you want to make a mathematical statement, please couch it in mathematical rather than political terminology. It's quite easy to prove Triplemining's luck is within acceptable limits - why don't you do that? If you're not interested in learning how, I've done it every week for the last 12 months and you're welcome to use my data.

I do not mine here, have only had a few conversations with kinlo, and I don't have a dog in the fight. But some of your arguments are generally misleading and may encourage magical thinking amongst miners in general, and this I cannot accept.

You might have a problem with kinlo and Triplemining. You may even have a point somewhere. But conjecture has no place in a mathematical discussion. Either learn the math or use the data from someone who has, or argue about something else.

The name of a minipool can be anything.  It's not because they put anything in their name that they actually are  those people or that they have bad intentions.

If we look at the "bad luck" streak, then the most important thing to remember is that this is not normal, just enlarged because we are not a big pool.  Every pool has these bad luck streaks, but if our hashrate would be 10 TH, it would be over in a day and nobody would even remember.  It's just because we are a small pool that it *looks* like we're a bad luck pool, while in fact we are not, we've had many good rounds.

Also important to remember is that bitcoin mining has no "memory". Bad or good luck from the past does NOT influence the future.  I can understand that people are moving away, but they are doing so because they *think* the pool is bad.  If you look at the hard numbers, it isn't.  If you know how statistics work, if you fully understand the math, it is actually a bad move to go away.  There aren't a lot of pools that are this rewarding in the long term.   You just have to think about long term commitment, and have to remember that luck on a pool has no memory.  If you poolhop, you will probably always loose, you will join when the pool is lucky (but then it's already too late, you've missed the biggest effect of the good luck) or you will leave when it's bad luck (but then you will leave at a point where you definitely made a loss, while due to the no-memory property, you will just maximize your losses and removing all chances on fully profiting from a good luck streak)

As for the blocking of users and keeping their funds: it has to be very clear that we do not keep funds for ourselves.  To go back to your first question: there are people that are doing bad things for the pool.   You shouldn't look at their pool name or the amount of members of their minipool (which basically says nothing), but at their mining behaviour, something we can see as pool admins but are not visible in any stats.  It is true that there are some people abusing the pool by overloading the poolservers with requests.  You should know that we as triplemining are taking active steps against those abusers.  It is only those clients that you should worry about, because every time we need to serve a request to an abuser, is one less request we can take from an honest, good miner.  While we currently are having enough capacity to handle the requests, it would be a bad thing not to take any action, as those abusers would just grow and would cause bad performance for everybody.  Do note the use of the word performance, it should not have a great influence on luck as miners should retry to submit results if it fails the first time.

Unfortunately, it just doesn't work to politely ask people to stop abusing the pool.  That would be like asking thieves not to steal, but just let them go on stealing.  That would just encourage more people to steal    So we need to do something more drastically, and unfortunately I know no other way than to temporary block their payouts.  It is very important to know that this is a measurement we are forced to take, and that we do not like doing this.  As soon as the abuse stops on our pool, we always release the lock, so all funds are back available to these people.   As some are really abusing our service, I must say that in a way we are too nice to these people, but I do not want to give any person the impression that we are stealing anything, and there might be cases where people just don't know they are doing something wrong, so I'm giving everybody the benefit of the doubt.   We just ask that they set up a proxy server, so they can pay themselves for the processing power it requires server-side, and that they actually move all their clients to their own server.  And all means all, we do are very strict at that point, but it is in everybody's interest: they can continue doing what they want, and they will no longer hurt the pool

Does this answer all of your questions?

Kinlo, as the pool OP, could you please address the above questions. They are not fully addressed on your last post. I am sure miners are interested.

In addition very reputable members of this forum have sent me some private comms. They used to mine at your pool in the past but have now moved to other pools with much better results. It seems you have blocked a few accounts at your pool in the last few weeks. It also seems that you are keeping their mining revenue for you and you have not released payments for what they have actually mined? Since miners also have to pay their bills like electricity and so on, I am sure they are not happy about that. Can you please explain to the miners of your pool in what cases will you be keeping their mining work for your own benefit? Why are you keeping their revenues to yourself?
Can you please open up the policies and practices of your pool?
Your clarification will be appreciated.

How is Tripleminings PPLNS payout different to HHTT . ?