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So many users with payments for mined blocks appropriated, as acknowledged by the operator himself, is no hearsay.  
As kinlo well knows, most of these accounts have stopped mining long ago.
More info will come and be posted on time.
That said, no one should go through so much trouble as shubhank008 had to, just to get paid for what in all common sense belongs to them, their share of work for blocks mined and converted into coins, coins which are appropriated by the operator.
Now organofcorti, I do then understand that you do support pool operators which block and appropriate payments for work which in all common sense belongs to miners, is that correct? I certainly hope that's not the case, because it will be a nightmare for miners if all pools did that!
 
 
donator
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Poor impulse control.
That's not correct: many accounts have stopped mining long ago now.

Just pay for all mined work that has been converted into coins as every pool should do.

And you are right, blocking of payments is common, just look at kinlo's own post. These are many users, not just a few.

Please post data. If you have none, then please qualify your statements as hearsay.
member
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That's not correct: many accounts have stopped mining long ago now.

Just pay for all mined work that has been converted into coins as every pool should do.

And you are right, blocking of payments is common, just look at kinlo's own post. These are many users, not just a few.
newbie
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Wrong, many innocent users are caught up with payments blocked.
Wrong. Stop talking for other people and stop talking like these blocks are common!

Blocking payment is not stealing.
You get payed for the work done, when they move their miners away.  You are argueing like they never get payed. Still miners => no payout.

If payout done, you have a vicious circle, if miners are not moved away... Blocking account may be even more worse, cause it looks like you got stealen, because you can't look into it anymore.

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Wrong, many innocent users are caught up with payments blocked.
Second, all pools should pay for mined blocks and triplemining is not doing that. Therefore creating a lot of trouble for innocent miners which at anytime and by surprise could have their payments for mined blocks appropriated by the operator. No pool should block payments for mined work which has already been converted into coins. Period.
Third, as previously said, I will agree on blocking bootnets from mining or just closing the "suspected" botnet accounts, but if you read carefully, the operator is not doing that.
It's just common sense what is defended here.
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Poor impulse control.
To give an update about the blocked users:

- We had about 100 users that have been blocked, due to massive connections.  Except a few (shubhank for example) that were giving several gigahashes to the pool, the majority only contributed a few megahashes, with a lot of connections (>1000).

- We're currently down to about 25 users with many connections.  This is good news, as the load has reduced on the pool server, allowing me to shut down back-ends, which cost me money, money I will probably never get back.  Most of the feedback I've received was positive, too bad we have a few trolls....  The others have been unblocked.

- I am occasionally unblocking everybody, so those that did not request an unblock will get an unblock anyway if they stopped their connections.  However, as soon as the script runs again (currently once per 24h) the accounts going over the limit are blocked again.

- There surely are people that are doing honest work on the pool, compared to real botnets.  However I cannot distinguish between them, that's why I'm enforcing a global rule for everybody to use only a limited amount of connections.   These limits are high enough for any single miner to continue mining, but it is for me impossible to manage separated rules for everybody: that's why there will be no exceptions.  Anyone can run a proxy server to run as many clients as they'd like.

- Shubhank008: it's nice to see that you can manage your users with just one server.  But please do not underestimate the total load of all combined connections, plus the fact that not all miners are equally efficient

- Shubhank008: you're still welcome to mine on our pool, I've only paid you as an act of good faith, but we can continue this discussion on irc.  I can give you details about the remaining connections.


Well kinlo, I was about to congratulate you for rectifying, but you still have many, many users with blocked payments for already mined blocks. And I still have not received all answers from involved users yet. So there may be more than the 25 you yourself recognize. Some of them, as you well know, have greater amounts owed that Shubhank008 had. It does not seem very fair to hold those amounts for such a long time just because your script correctly or incorrectly (as you yourself recognize) flags them as bots.

And at any measure it is not a good practice at all, to hold payments for mined blocks. This should never be done at any pool.

Will you be so kind to honor all users for all their mining work that has already been converted into coins, coins that you are still holding. Would you please pay what in all common sense is actually theirs, their share of work for already mined blocks?

A recommendation here: clear payments for all accounts asap, pay all users what you owe them for all mined blocks, by now a high amount when you add up all users. You are not clean until you pay them all, kinlo.

Then you may want to enforce your policies, whatever they are, crazy or not, but you should inform all miners before they open an account at your pool, that you will be from time to time holding payments for their share of mined blocks according to whatever crazy rules you are implementing. This will probably avoid any mistakes on their part as well. Inform them of your policies, crazy or not, so that they are aware of the risks they are taking when mining at your pool. As of today your miners are not informed when joining your pool. Until you do that it seems like a miners trap.


Why are you promoting the interests of blocked users, the majority of whom are botnet owners? Are you a shill for the betnetters? It sure seems like that.
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To give an update about the blocked users:

- We had about 100 users that have been blocked, due to massive connections.  Except a few (shubhank for example) that were giving several gigahashes to the pool, the majority only contributed a few megahashes, with a lot of connections (>1000).

- We're currently down to about 25 users with many connections.  This is good news, as the load has reduced on the pool server, allowing me to shut down back-ends, which cost me money, money I will probably never get back.  Most of the feedback I've received was positive, too bad we have a few trolls....  The others have been unblocked.

- I am occasionally unblocking everybody, so those that did not request an unblock will get an unblock anyway if they stopped their connections.  However, as soon as the script runs again (currently once per 24h) the accounts going over the limit are blocked again.

- There surely are people that are doing honest work on the pool, compared to real botnets.  However I cannot distinguish between them, that's why I'm enforcing a global rule for everybody to use only a limited amount of connections.   These limits are high enough for any single miner to continue mining, but it is for me impossible to manage separated rules for everybody: that's why there will be no exceptions.  Anyone can run a proxy server to run as many clients as they'd like.

- Shubhank008: it's nice to see that you can manage your users with just one server.  But please do not underestimate the total load of all combined connections, plus the fact that not all miners are equally efficient

- Shubhank008: you're still welcome to mine on our pool, I've only paid you as an act of good faith, but we can continue this discussion on irc.  I can give you details about the remaining connections.


Well kinlo, I was about to congratulate you for rectifying, but you still have many, many users with blocked payments for already mined blocks. And I still have not received all answers from involved users yet. So there may be more than the 25 you yourself recognize. Some of them, as you well know, have greater amounts owed that Shubhank008 had. It does not seem very fair to hold those amounts for such a long time just because your script correctly or incorrectly (as you yourself recognize) flags them as bots.

And at any measure it is not a good practice at all, to hold payments for mined blocks. This should never be done at any pool.

Will you be so kind to honor all users for all their mining work that has already been converted into coins, coins that you are still holding. Would you please pay what in all common sense is actually theirs, their share of work for already mined blocks?

A recommendation here: clear payments for all accounts asap, pay all users what you owe them for all mined blocks, by now a high amount when you add up all users. You are not clean until you pay them all, kinlo.

Then you may want to enforce your policies, whatever they are, crazy or not, but you should inform all miners before they open an account at your pool, that you will be from time to time holding payments for their share of mined blocks according to whatever crazy rules you are implementing. This will probably avoid any mistakes on their part as well. Inform them of your policies, crazy or not, so that they are aware of the risks they are taking when mining at your pool. As of today your miners are not informed when joining your pool. Until you do that it seems like a miners trap.
sr. member
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Pool operator of Triplemining.com
To give an update about the blocked users:

- We had about 100 users that have been blocked, due to massive connections.  Except a few (shubhank for example) that were giving several gigahashes to the pool, the majority only contributed a few megahashes, with a lot of connections (>1000).

- We're currently down to about 25 users with many connections.  This is good news, as the load has reduced on the pool server, allowing me to shut down back-ends, which cost me money, money I will probably never get back.  Most of the feedback I've received was positive, too bad we have a few trolls....  The others have been unblocked.

- I am occasionally unblocking everybody, so those that did not request an unblock will get an unblock anyway if they stopped their connections.  However, as soon as the script runs again (currently once per 24h) the accounts going over the limit are blocked again.

- There surely are people that are doing honest work on the pool, compared to real botnets.  However I cannot distinguish between them, that's why I'm enforcing a global rule for everybody to use only a limited amount of connections.   These limits are high enough for any single miner to continue mining, but it is for me impossible to manage separated rules for everybody: that's why there will be no exceptions.  Anyone can run a proxy server to run as many clients as they'd like.

- Shubhank008: it's nice to see that you can manage your users with just one server.  But please do not underestimate the total load of all combined connections, plus the fact that not all miners are equally efficient

- Shubhank008: you're still welcome to mine on our pool, I've only paid you as an act of good faith, but we can continue this discussion on irc.  I can give you details about the remaining connections.
member
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Good to hear you got paid shubhank008. Nobody should go through so much trouble, and so much time, to get paid. Will check with the rest of scammed users.
newbie
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Hey guys,

First of all suspicious things on your side, which nobody mentions:

1. Kinlo said: Stop mining => Payout
      @shubhank008  Clearly shows, that you have a lot of shares created within the last 24 hours  ... seems not that you have stopped mining so far.

2. Who the fuck knows adara  ??
   Adara registered mid June this year and is only running around accusing kinlo everywhere doing scam.
That is libel and slander across the forum- especially at the newbie area. This is no good style, and compared to reals scam, this scam works already too long to be scam. Honestly - STFU - everywhere.
With doing that stuff, you are not hurting kinlo- you are hurting the whole pool which does not get any new hashing power!
And such accusations from a newbie member is totally  unreasonably  wrong.



To be honest, there are over 500 Users mining there- If all of them won't get payout, do you think they still would mine there? I get my Payout exactly when the trx limit happens and I think alot of others too.


kinlo is doing work against -supposed-to-be Botnet-Accounts, because they would hurt the pool in any f*** way. Why? It one of that networks really is a Botnet, and that Botnet is discovered by someone one day- the pool gets troubles by law - at least the IP is banned by anti-virus.-... then the pool is dead.
I'm sure, there is a reason why kinlo acts this way (he already described it) and to kinlo is trustworthy!


oh man, he wants to block the account fine by me, block the ip of miners connecting too, I am already stopping bit by bit as already down to 4GHs from 20GHs. Why the hell does he blocks payments for blocks I mined and work I did, if he had blocked acc and work wasnt done, I wont mind, but ffs I mined the whole time (didnt knew then acc is blocked) and now my payment isnt made.

2.5BTC~+ aint no small talk, my users are asking what happened to the support they mined whole month for using their GPU and electricity so the site could upgrade its 7th server to 1Gbps, I have no god damn reply to make to them.

And just 100 extra connections (he confirmed) hurting the pool ? Is tht pool running on some netbook ? Even hostgator shared hosting can handle 250 connections and a i3 can do more than 10k, he didnt blocked or had problem when  wasnt using proxy at start or was using proxy before this and mined so much, but now when pool is in dire situation, all excuses are coming up.




---------------Updated after 20 mins of rechecking the account---------------

Sorry, made above post before checking account now.
Seems I have been cashed out all my pending funds nice and clear an account is unblocked again too.

@kinlo thanks for paying out and sorry if I hurt your feelings in anyway but I was really frustrated with no payment from 2+ weeks and users asking me when servers will upgrade and result of mining, now I can finally answer them

Also, just to confirm, do you wish me to mine at your pool anymore or should I change pools ? I am still using the same proxy you gave me. And tbh I wont really like such a messy problem in future if I ask all my users to mine again like before at 20GHs~ This just creates frustrations.

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Added 5,5GH/s to the pool. My Jalapeño arrived yesterday. Smiley
More on the way. Cheesy

Good luck with your new mining equipment, Pedro!

Well i am in the pool about a year now and i don't have any problem. Always got my payments in time.

Well, good luck as well. Feel free to contact me if you get any problems mining there. Specially when you have build a large minipool with many users as some of the scammed users had.
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1. Kinlo said: Stop mining => Payout

Wrong, he is not honoring those requests. Many accounts have stopped mining for a few weeks now (0 hashes) and he is still blocking payouts and keeping their share of mined blocks.

With doing that stuff, you are not hurting kinlo- you are hurting the whole pool which does not get any new hashing power!

Wrong, may be kinlo is hurting himself and his own pool by implementing these crazy practices and wrong judgements. Pool operators should pay for all mined work. No judgements from the operator, right or wrong, on already mined work which has already been converted into coins.
It's good for miners to be aware of what's going on, it will help them out when choosing pools.

kinlo is doing work against -supposed-to-be Botnet-Accounts

Wrong, he is not blocking "supposed" botnets, he is blocking payments.

kinlo is trustworthy

Only as long as he pays all users for their mined work, he has not done that for several blocks in a row now, therefore he is not.
full member
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Par Pari Refertur
Added 5,5GH/s to the pool. My Jalapeño arrived yesterday. Smiley
More on the way. Cheesy

About the recent accusations made from some users about kinlo.
Well i am in the pool about a year now and i don't have any problem. Always got my payments in time.
If kinlo is holding your payments is because he as a good reason.
I support kinlo on that.

Cheers

Pedro Soares
newbie
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Hey guys,

First of all suspicious things on your side, which nobody mentions:

1. Kinlo said: Stop mining => Payout
      @shubhank008  Clearly shows, that you have a lot of shares created within the last 24 hours  ... seems not that you have stopped mining so far.

2. Who the fuck knows adara  ??
   Adara registered mid June this year and is only running around accusing kinlo everywhere doing scam.
That is libel and slander across the forum- especially at the newbie area. This is no good style, and compared to reals scam, this scam works already too long to be scam. Honestly - STFU - everywhere.
With doing that stuff, you are not hurting kinlo- you are hurting the whole pool which does not get any new hashing power!
And such accusations from a newbie member is totally  unreasonably  wrong.



To be honest, there are over 500 Users mining there- If all of them won't get payout, do you think they still would mine there? I get my Payout exactly when the trx limit happens and I think alot of others too.


kinlo is doing work against -supposed-to-be Botnet-Accounts, because they would hurt the pool in any f*** way. Why? It one of that networks really is a Botnet, and that Botnet is discovered by someone one day- the pool gets troubles by law - at least the IP is banned by anti-virus.-... then the pool is dead.
I'm sure, there is a reason why kinlo acts this way (he already described it) and to kinlo is trustworthy!
newbie
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shubhank008: it's very simple.  You still have > 100 cpu miners on our pool.  Yes you removed most of them, but only when they are ALL gone I unlock your account.  Same rule for everybody: having hundreds of cpu miners is not something I can allow therefore your account will only be unblocked when they are gone.  All of them.

Wow ? So when your hashrate was low, I came to your pool with 30-50GHs rate and mined for 5 days withot proxy with 1200 users, no problem so far and I got blocked
Then in IRC you gave me proxy to use and it worked, mined for almost a month using proxy and no prblem

Nothing has changed from my end since then and since last 2 weeks no payments and block issue and you saying 100 miners when from my end all using proxy. And you kidding me ? You yourself said that your hardware can handle a large amount of miners but cannot allow abuse of 1000 miners from same account, you yourself just now said there are 100 extra miners rom my worker (which I still dnt think so), there is a diff in 1k and 100 and refusing to pay now.

And my account was unblocked 2 days ago, wasunblocked yesterday too and was blocked today, still no payment in 2 days ?

I call all this just a scam now, refusing to pay up, I donot wish to mine anymore on your pool and have mailed the users already to stop the miners for now till I change to other pool, I just want my pending payout.

If you donot wish to do so, say that fairly, donot makeup stories with no backing and lame excuses like that, even a Atom server can handle 100 users, my i3 linux handles whole proxy server of 1300 users with barely 30% load max.


If you are not going to pay, say so, I will just move on rather than wasting time and keeping false hope, ofc I will rage a bit and do some public flame threads and on my site (which is a high ranked popular site and a game release site aswell). I by all means have all rights to hold a aggressive grudge towards pool as well in that case.










The above user is a perfect example where you are letting a user mine and then keeping his work for yourself, i.e. you let him mine, then you accuse him of something and keep his work. WTF, no words for that, kinlo.
And by the way, adding up this new user account to the list you are already keeping the equivalent of a few blocks for yourself and counting!

Pay to all these people, then block their accounts as you wish!

New miners: be aware of this f...g pool practices! There have been and continue to be many, many users with blocks mined and payments blocked at this point!

Blocking a account and still letting the users mine and saying in IRC it will be unblocked itself when load is low and telling me himself 90% of my users have moved to roxy, ffs why not block me when I was mining at 30-70GHs ? Oh yeah, then pool had high hashrate and was making good BTC but now when its badluck streak, screw users.



adara, again you speak without knowing the truth.  All miners that have stopped mining have been unblocked.  So if they don't like what I do, they stop mining and they get their funds.  You are spreading FUD and plain lies.

And again, cleaning up botnets is good for everyone.  Those that are serious about mining will appreciate that.

Seriously, do you really think that I would just keep funds of anybody?  I would be out of business very quickly.

The rules are clear: no botnets.  And I don't need to write that in an AUP or anything, unless you are completely clueless, you will agree.


Bot net ? are you accusing me of botnet ? I clearly explained you on IRC about my anime site setup and how and why users agree to mine to support us rather then donate money, you yourself helped me setup my proxy server so I can mine and mine





Or are you telling me they are all liars?

If they claim that they have stopped mining, and requested an unblock afterwards and didn't get unblocked?  Unfortunately yes, I've unblocked everybody that stopped mining and requested an unblock.


Unblocked ? = Yes
Payment ? = No (even in 2 days interval)


My words:-
Payup for what I mined clean and clear, I am going to stop mining on the pool unless all these things are cleared up. Donot want any false hope like I will get paid once all users stop mining, as blocking me for just 100 random users who may not be using the proxy (which I doubt) is way way unfair when nothing happened with way more users connected as stated at top
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WTF.
They rightly claim with proof they have unpaid shares for mined blocks.
You should pay those asap.
After that you may want to deal with and close all accounts that you "yourself" consider are botnets.
I can assure many of them are not! I have seen several setups which are not. You are making the wrong assumptions.
Just a recommendation here: pay for all mined work. No judgements from the operator, right or wrong, on already mined work which has been converted into coins.
sr. member
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Pool operator of Triplemining.com
Or are you telling me they are all liars?

If they claim that they have stopped mining, and requested an unblock afterwards and didn't get unblocked?  Unfortunately yes, I've unblocked everybody that stopped mining and requested an unblock.
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adara, again you speak without knowing the truth.  All miners that have stopped mining have been unblocked.  So if they don't like what I do, they stop mining and they get their funds.  You are spreading FUD and plain lies.

And again, cleaning up botnets is good for everyone.  Those that are serious about mining will appreciate that.

Seriously, do you really think that I would just keep funds of anybody?  I would be out of business very quickly.

The rules are clear: no botnets.  And I don't need to write that in an AUP or anything, unless you are completely clueless, you will agree.

Just telling people the truth, kinlo. I am sure, they are interested on it.
And sure, you are keeping funds corresponding to other miners work for several blocks in a row now. I have seen several accounts on exactly the same situation as the screenshot posted by shubhank008. Or are you telling me they are all liars?
You are keeping their shared mining for already mined blocks to yourself. Period.
And yes, if you continue with these practices, you are completely right that you will be out of business soon.
So just proceed with honesty and pay for their share of the work!
sr. member
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Pool operator of Triplemining.com
adara, again you speak without knowing the truth.  All miners that have stopped mining have been unblocked.  So if they don't like what I do, they stop mining and they get their funds.  You are spreading FUD and plain lies.

And again, cleaning up botnets is good for everyone.  Those that are serious about mining will appreciate that.

Seriously, do you really think that I would just keep funds of anybody?  I would be out of business very quickly.

The rules are clear: no botnets.  And I don't need to write that in an AUP or anything, unless you are completely clueless, you will agree.
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shubhank008: it's very simple.  You still have > 100 cpu miners on our pool.  Yes you removed most of them, but only when they are ALL gone I unlock your account.  Same rule for everybody: having hundreds of cpu miners is not something I can allow therefore your account will only be unblocked when they are gone.  All of them.

It seems many more miners are pissed off with your pool practices kinlo. A few more miners have contacted me at this point and they do not want this daily increasing theft to go away without the community noticing it. They are not spamming your pool and they are not cpu miners and they are not bots! You are very probably placing innocent miners on the same basket by mistake.

You are certainly doing something wrong when looking at your stats and you are in fact keeping your miners work for yourself as you wish from block to block!
No pool operator should keep others miners work for himself as you are doing, just after the blocks are found
This is work already mined into blocks and into coins. You are keeping these coins to yourself. You should first pay for this work to whoever mined it. Cpu miner or not, they have performed their work and contributed their share.
After that, you may warn as you wish, cpu miners, low hashers and so on, as you say. Then close accounts as you wish! But in no case you should be keeping other people already mined shares for yourself. That's what shared mining is all about! 

The above user is a perfect example where you are letting a user mine and then keeping his work for yourself, i.e. you let him mine, then you accuse him of something and keep his work. WTF, no words for that, kinlo.
And by the way, adding up this new user account to the list you are already keeping the equivalent of a few blocks for yourself and counting!

Pay to all these people, then block their accounts as you wish!

New miners: be aware of this f...g pool practices! There have been and continue to be many, many users with blocks mined and payments blocked at this point!
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