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Is anyone watching the third ODI match between Bangladesh and West Indies? I watched the match and made a bet for Bangladesh. Now the match is on break. Bangladesh's innings is over. Bangladesh lost 6 wickets and scored 297 runs in 50 overs. Tamim, Mushfiq, and Mahmudullah each scored 64 runs. And Shakib has scored 51 runs. There are no experienced players in the West Indies squad. I hope they will lose today's match as usual

12 members from West Indian squad withdraw due to Covid-19 and now this B team is struggling very badly as in last two ODI's they completely fail to give any impression today its same story very good batting from Bangla Tigers they can manage to win this series by 3 - 0 which is good for them as Shakib is also back and doing very good for team but West Indies is very long and same story goind down day by day even with few very talented players we have no positive hopes.

Result was expected and happened the same where Bangladesh won comfortably by 120 runs. Only change happened in 3rd Match was Bangladesh were batting first and reached close to 300 else they were always chasing before. This series can be said more like a practice match for Bangladesh as winning comfortably by 3-0. West Indies have a lot of challenges ahead and not sure how it would be resolved and when.

Bangladesh has been a great victory. They have whitewashed the West Indies. They called it "Banglawash" The West Indies have failed to perform as well as expected against Bangladesh in the past. Bangladesh also defeated West Indies in the World Cup. However, Bangladesh is not a good team for Test matches. Simply put, their Test match performance is very poor. They also lost to teams like Afghanistan. But I think Bangladesh will be able to beat West Indies in their next Test match

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Is anyone watching the third ODI match between Bangladesh and West Indies? I watched the match and made a bet for Bangladesh. Now the match is on break. Bangladesh's innings is over. Bangladesh lost 6 wickets and scored 297 runs in 50 overs. Tamim, Mushfiq, and Mahmudullah each scored 64 runs. And Shakib has scored 51 runs. There are no experienced players in the West Indies squad. I hope they will lose today's match as usual

What you predicted has happened. I do not understand why the West Indies came to Bangladesh with such a broken team. A whole series went by where they couldn't stand it properly. Bangladesh should have played with their alternate team against West Indies. It might have made the whole series more exciting.

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Is anyone watching the third ODI match between Bangladesh and West Indies? I watched the match and made a bet for Bangladesh. Now the match is on break. Bangladesh's innings is over. Bangladesh lost 6 wickets and scored 297 runs in 50 overs. Tamim, Mushfiq, and Mahmudullah each scored 64 runs. And Shakib has scored 51 runs. There are no experienced players in the West Indies squad. I hope they will lose today's match as usual

12 members from West Indian squad withdraw due to Covid-19 and now this B team is struggling very badly as in last two ODI's they completely fail to give any impression today its same story very good batting from Bangla Tigers they can manage to win this series by 3 - 0 which is good for them as Shakib is also back and doing very good for team but West Indies is very long and same story goind down day by day even with few very talented players we have no positive hopes.

Result was expected and happened the same where Bangladesh won comfortably by 120 runs. Only change happened in 3rd Match was Bangladesh were batting first and reached close to 300 else they were always chasing before. This series can be said more like a practice match for Bangladesh as winning comfortably by 3-0. West Indies have a lot of challenges ahead and not sure how it would be resolved and when.

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Quote from: Indymoney on January 25, 2021, 04:51:51 AM

12 members from West Indian squad withdraw due to Covid-19 and now this B team is struggling very badly as in last two ODI's they completely fail to give any impression today its same story very good batting from Bangla Tigers they can manage to win this series by 3 - 0 which is good for them as Shakib is also back and doing very good for team but West Indies is very long and same story goind down day by day even with few very talented players we have no positive hopes.

I missed out in the match, but once i saw the West Indies squad i was confused on what to take of it as i could not identify a single player and i should have place a full house bet on Bangladesh to win the match. Will look forward for the next match to place the bet, the odds were low but against a strong Bangladesh team and in their own ground it is hard for the new West Indies players to compete.

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Is anyone watching the third ODI match between Bangladesh and West Indies? I watched the match and made a bet for Bangladesh. Now the match is on break. Bangladesh's innings is over. Bangladesh lost 6 wickets and scored 297 runs in 50 overs. Tamim, Mushfiq, and Mahmudullah each scored 64 runs. And Shakib has scored 51 runs. There are no experienced players in the West Indies squad. I hope they will lose today's match as usual

12 members from West Indian squad withdraw due to Covid-19 and now this B team is struggling very badly as in last two ODI's they completely fail to give any impression today its same story very good batting from Bangla Tigers they can manage to win this series by 3 - 0 which is good for them as Shakib is also back and doing very good for team but West Indies is very long and same story goind down day by day even with few very talented players we have no positive hopes.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 24, 2021, 01:16:21 AM

Vinod kambli is perfect example. Everyone used to say that he was talented and much more gifted batsman than Sachin but he become undisciplined brat with his limited initial success. what a waste of extraordinary talent.

@Sithara007 Sarfaraz's problem was fitness i guess. Virat used to like him a lot and he on-record gave him advice to get fit but Sarfraz never took his advice seriously.

Those who are in their 20s may not remember Kambli. I was a small kid at that time and back then scoring above a run a ball in the ODIs was considered as something special. He made a few good scores and the media hyped him all the way up to moon. Naturally, that made him arrogant and undisciplined. And to make matter worse, when his form declined he accused the other team members of caste discrimination. After that everything went downhill for him, and it has stayed that way till now.

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As Gavaskar recently said that future looks good for Indian cricket but don't allow this fame to get into their head, it might destroy everything.

Vinod Kambli comes to mind Cheesy

. All the players are dedicated and if they control their urges and work hard on their skills they will don the jersey for a long time, if not other talents will come along and replace them.

Vinod kambli is perfect example. Everyone used to say that he was talented and much more gifted batsman than Sachin but he become undisciplined brat with his limited initial success. what a waste of extraordinary talent.

@Sithara007 Sarfaraz's problem was fitness i guess. Virat used to like him a lot and he on-record gave him advice to get fit but Sarfraz never took his advice seriously.

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Recent series against Australia showed the positivity of IPL. Gill's pull shot against Strac, his cut against Cummins over third man. Debutant Washington Sunder hooking against no 1 bowler Cummins are couple of good examples.

As Gavaskar recently said that future looks good for Indian cricket but don't allow this fame to get into their head, it might destroy everything.

IPL has seen many of the youngsters receiving multi-crore contracts. Players who are still in their teens may receive 3-4 crore INR per year. But in some cases when the players suddenly receive this much money in a short term, they forget that a lot of work still remains to be done and they become complacent. One example that comes to my mind right now is that of Sarfaraz Khan (Kings XI Punjab).

Not everyone has the same issue, there more players who after receiving such yearly pay had the target of being part of the Indian A team. Look at Shiraz and Natarajan both came from the lower middle class and are still down to earth and have been trying very hard to get a permanent place in Indian team. They are also part of IPL teams and have been payed handsomely in the past.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2021, 11:30:58 PM

Recent series against Australia showed the positivity of IPL. Gill's pull shot against Strac, his cut against Cummins over third man. Debutant Washington Sunder hooking against no 1 bowler Cummins are couple of good examples.

As Gavaskar recently said that future looks good for Indian cricket but don't allow this fame to get into their head, it might destroy everything.

IPL has seen many of the youngsters receiving multi-crore contracts. Players who are still in their teens may receive 3-4 crore INR per year. But in some cases when the players suddenly receive this much money in a short term, they forget that a lot of work still remains to be done and they become complacent. One example that comes to my mind right now is that of Sarfaraz Khan (Kings XI Punjab).

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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 23, 2021, 03:56:38 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2021, 11:30:58 PM

Recent series against Australia showed the positivity of IPL. Gill's pull shot against Strac, his cut against Cummins over third man. Debutant Washington Sunder hooking against no 1 bowler Cummins are couple of good examples.

The way in which all the debutants played without fear is because of the exposure they get during the IPL, sharing the dressing room with International players and learning from them and that has helped each and every player greatly.

Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2021, 11:30:58 PM

As Gavaskar recently said that future looks good for Indian cricket but don't allow this fame to get into their head, it might destroy everything.

Vinod Kambli comes to mind Cheesy

. All the players are dedicated and if they control their urges and work hard on their skills they will don the jersey for a long time, if not other talents will come along and replace them.

After this series now bench power is very strong just because of this hopefully these youths will do much better and positive because now they are understanding if they want to in they have to be very competative and positive because any one can replace them very quickly so hard work and dedication is much important for staying in.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2021, 11:30:58 PM

Recent series against Australia showed the positivity of IPL. Gill's pull shot against Strac, his cut against Cummins over third man. Debutant Washington Sunder hooking against no 1 bowler Cummins are couple of good examples.

The way in which all the debutants played without fear is because of the exposure they get during the IPL, sharing the dressing room with International players and learning from them and that has helped each and every player greatly.

Quote from: JSRAW on January 22, 2021, 11:30:58 PM

As Gavaskar recently said that future looks good for Indian cricket but don't allow this fame to get into their head, it might destroy everything.

Vinod Kambli comes to mind Cheesy

. All the players are dedicated and if they control their urges and work hard on their skills they will don the jersey for a long time, if not other talents will come along and replace them.

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Not aware of their domestic set up but the praises Dravid got was about grooming the youngsters and that is not the IPL but the under 19 and other younger generation of players. The exposure in the IPL will help these players as they are sharing the dressing room with international players as well.

IPL can have its own benefits and demerits. Younger players without international experience are getting opportunity to play along with the superstars (such as Virat Kohli, Steve Smith and Ben Stokes), and the last tournament helped a number of relatively unknown players such as Rahul Tewatia and Shivam Mavi. But at the same time, it made some of the younger players quite arrogant and in the long term, it may hurt their career prospects.

Recent series against Australia showed the positivity of IPL. Gill's pull shot against Strac, his cut against Cummins over third man. Debutant Washington Sunder hooking against no 1 bowler Cummins are couple of good examples.

As Gavaskar recently said that future looks good for Indian cricket but don't allow this fame to get into their head, it might destroy everything.

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Quote from: onrise on January 22, 2021, 10:48:38 AM

This West Indies team is not experienced and due to board issues no big-name player is in the team. But yes, the score batting first in both matches has being less than 150 which is really a worry sign for them. Bangladesh played well as a team unit in bowling and as well as in batting and was a easy win for them. Want to see them batting first in 3rd match and see if they can cross 300 runs or not against this WI team. Not expecting any huge surprise from WI in 3rd match and mostly should be a whitewash.

There was a lot of hype surrounding some of the younger players, such as Joshua Da Silva and Kjorn Ottley, but they failed to score the runs. I don't want to be too harsh on the West Indies bowlers, as they were not being given a decent score to defend. Anyway, the test series is more important and I hope that West Indies will be able to make a comeback. The ODI series is important in terms of qualification for the 2023 World Cup. Right now, West Indies is not looking in good shape and they are outside the top-8 in ODI Super League. So they may need to play the qualification tournament.

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 22, 2021, 11:35:17 AM

Not aware of their domestic set up but the praises Dravid got was about grooming the youngsters and that is not the IPL but the under 19 and other younger generation of players. The exposure in the IPL will help these players as they are sharing the dressing room with international players as well.

IPL can have its own benefits and demerits. Younger players without international experience are getting opportunity to play along with the superstars (such as Virat Kohli, Steve Smith and Ben Stokes), and the last tournament helped a number of relatively unknown players such as Rahul Tewatia and Shivam Mavi. But at the same time, it made some of the younger players quite arrogant and in the long term, it may hurt their career prospects.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on January 22, 2021, 12:23:42 AM

And India has managed to achieve this, despite the poor quality of their domestic cricket structure. And it looks like IPL has become the most important avenue for the younger Indian players, rather than Ranji Trophy.

Not aware of their domestic set up but the praises Dravid got was about grooming the youngsters and that is not the IPL but the under 19 and other younger generation of players. The exposure in the IPL will help these players as they are sharing the dressing room with international players as well.

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Bangladesh team again won the match against West Indies. West Indies batted first in the previous match and lost all their wickets for just 122 runs. In today's match they won the toss and decided to bat again. And as usual the batting has suffered a setback. Their innings ended with only 148 runs. Bangladesh reached the target after losing only 3 wickets. Mustafiz bowled 8 overs and took 2 wickets with only 15 runs. Mehidy took 4 wickets and Shakib took 2 wickets

This West Indies team is not experienced and due to board issues no big-name player is in the team. But yes, the score batting first in both matches has being less than 150 which is really a worry sign for them. Bangladesh played well as a team unit in bowling and as well as in batting and was a easy win for them. Want to see them batting first in 3rd match and see if they can cross 300 runs or not against this WI team. Not expecting any huge surprise from WI in 3rd match and mostly should be a whitewash.

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 21, 2021, 11:32:32 PM

There are heaps of praises for Dravid from former players and the way in which the young players took over and played without fear and it shows the bench strength which is scary for many teams as majority of the teams will struggle if they need to replace one or two players and India won the series even though they had to replace almost the entire team and five players making their debut for India and still winning the series is unheard to be frank and all the credits to nurturing youngsters .

There are a lot of factors, and influence from Dravid and NCA was definitely one of the most important ingredients. All this once again confirms that the player pool for India is very deep and rich in quality. And India has managed to achieve this, despite the poor quality of their domestic cricket structure. And it looks like IPL has become the most important avenue for the younger Indian players, rather than Ranji Trophy.

Who watches Ranji trophy, even the national broadcaster is not broadcasting Ranji matches. All eyes are on IPL because it is the only domestic cricket that is given attention by the media. Ranji is still crucial but the problem is that it does not have the coverage.

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 21, 2021, 11:32:32 PM

There are heaps of praises for Dravid from former players and the way in which the young players took over and played without fear and it shows the bench strength which is scary for many teams as majority of the teams will struggle if they need to replace one or two players and India won the series even though they had to replace almost the entire team and five players making their debut for India and still winning the series is unheard to be frank and all the credits to nurturing youngsters .

There are a lot of factors, and influence from Dravid and NCA was definitely one of the most important ingredients. All this once again confirms that the player pool for India is very deep and rich in quality. And India has managed to achieve this, despite the poor quality of their domestic cricket structure. And it looks like IPL has become the most important avenue for the younger Indian players, rather than Ranji Trophy.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 21, 2021, 06:10:06 PM

Our goody good boy Dravid is playing long game for right reasons and winning hearts and minds of new crop by nurturing them. Gill, Pant, Prithvi, Vihari, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Sunder and every new player love/respect Dravid. Once the new generation replace the old guard Virat & co then you could imagine what's going to happen.

There are heaps of praises for Dravid from former players and the way in which the young players took over and played without fear and it shows the bench strength which is scary for many teams as majority of the teams will struggle if they need to replace one or two players and India won the series even though they had to replace almost the entire team and five players making their debut for India and still winning the series is unheard to be frank and all the credits to nurturing youngsters .

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 21, 2021, 06:10:06 PM

Our goody good boy Dravid is playing long game for right reasons and winning hearts and minds of new crop by nurturing them. Gill, Pant, Prithvi, Vihari, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Sunder and every new player love/respect Dravid. Once the new generation replace the old guard Virat & co then you could imagine what's going to happen.

I would love to see Rahul Dravid as the coach of the Indian senior team rather than Damaadji. But then, he may not be willing to act as a rubber stamp and that may lead to confrontations with the star players. Maybe he should remain as the head of National Cricket Academy (NCA) for some more time. He is doing a really exceptional job with the NCA, by helping the emerging players.

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