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The ICC should take necessary steps to spread cricket to other countries. And to co-operate with countries that are already playing cricket but not in a good position. Cooperating with countries like Ireland, Kenya, Zimbabwe UAE. But I think ICC is not fulfilling their responsibilities properly. Teams like Kenya are losing. The ICC should bring them back to cricket. I think organizing more and more series between these teams. For now, this is the solution I think.

When Shashank Manohar became the ICC chairman, he tried to help the associate nations and was able to slow down the slide for sometime. But with Greg Barclay as the new chairman, this support has ended. IMO, the biggest issue with ICC is that it is being managed by greedy people like Barclay who doesn't have any connection to cricket. On the other hand, sports bodies such as FIFA are being managed by the former international players and they always prioritize the popularity of the sport over money.

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I think the ICC should take the necessary steps so that the smaller teams don’t get lost. Because the more countries participate in the game of cricket, the more interesting cricket will become. The ICC should organize more series between smaller teams so that they can at least survive. Maybe one day a smaller team will come out on top. As has come to Afghanistan. Afghanistan now has the ability to beat teams like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Pakistan.

The ICC is primarily a money-minded organization and unlike the other sports bodies such as FIFA or FIH, they don't care much about the well being of the sport or that of the players. There was a golden opportunity to increase the popularity of cricket, by including it within the Olympic games. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the ICC president, talks with the International Olympic Committee was proceeding well and everyone were hopeful that cricket would have been included in the Olympic games from 2012 onwards.

But then the combination of Sharad Pawar/N Srinivasan took over the ICC and they along with their sidekicks from the CA and the ECB spent most of their time in cancelling all the Dalmiya-era policies. The big-3 grouping held power for less than a decade, but during this time they managed to push cricket backward by at least 3 decades. The damage they did to the game is still there and it will take ages to make a complete recovery.

Even ICC is not doing good but after introduction of twenty/20 and Ten League we have some good chance of spreading cricket in many countries because these two formats can bring some good attraction for many peoples instead of test and ODI but still need some good effort from this organization which is not doing their own duty as its need for popularity of this gentlemen game.

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I think the ICC should take the necessary steps so that the smaller teams don’t get lost. Because the more countries participate in the game of cricket, the more interesting cricket will become. The ICC should organize more series between smaller teams so that they can at least survive. Maybe one day a smaller team will come out on top. As has come to Afghanistan. Afghanistan now has the ability to beat teams like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Pakistan.

The ICC is primarily a money-minded organization and unlike the other sports bodies such as FIFA or FIH, they don't care much about the well being of the sport or that of the players. There was a golden opportunity to increase the popularity of cricket, by including it within the Olympic games. When Jagmohan Dalmiya was the ICC president, talks with the International Olympic Committee was proceeding well and everyone were hopeful that cricket would have been included in the Olympic games from 2012 onwards.

But then the combination of Sharad Pawar/N Srinivasan took over the ICC and they along with their sidekicks from the CA and the ECB spent most of their time in cancelling all the Dalmiya-era policies. The big-3 grouping held power for less than a decade, but during this time they managed to push cricket backward by at least 3 decades. The damage they did to the game is still there and it will take ages to make a complete recovery.

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I agree with you. Many of their talented and skilled players are now on the brink of retirement. They will retire in a few years. And now they fail to find young talented players. we will not get any good performance from them in the next few years. Maybe Ireland will lose like Kenya

Well.. I have no doubt about it. Ireland is a dying team. Even test nations such as Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka are going down the drain, and it will be difficult for smaller teams such as Ireland to survive. What happened to Kenya will repeat, perhaps for the last time (after this there won't be any teams like Kenya and Ireland). Two factors have led to the demise of cricket in the smaller nations. The ICC financial model now heavily favors the top 3-4 sides, with associate nations only getting the crumbs. And secondly, the representation law was changed to allow foreigners to represent national sides. Now richer teams like UAE and Oman are importing players directly from India and Pakistan and smaller teams such as Ireland are unable to compete against them.

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There are many talented players in the Irish team. If they work hard and practice more then maybe in the next few years we will see the Irish team in a better position. The Afghan team is now in a very good position in just a few years. I hope Ireland will at least be able to defeat Afghanistan very soon

Talented players are there in the Irish team, but most of them are nearing retirement. Kevin O'Brien is almost 37, while William Porterfield is 36 years. Tim Murtagh retired last year, while Boyd Rankin may be having at most one year of international cricket left in him. Even Paul Stirling is in his 30s. They have been simply unable to find younger replacements to these players.

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I have never seen women's cricket before. But since the Women’s World Cup I’ve been trying to keep track of the different series of women’s teams. And sometimes I bet on my favorite team. Women's cricket and boys under 19 are very under-rated

Even i started watching Woman's cricket just to place a bet on the match especially when England and Australia are playing and even though the odds are not that big but it is a sure shot win and it is easier to identity the winner. T20 matches are more competitive than ODI for Women's and the sports book needs to provide much better betting options for these matches.

It difficult to choose the winner between England and Australia women team as both of them are strong teams. Its easy to bet on matches like between England and Pakistan women cricket team. Although the odds for England will not be attractive but the risk of losing will be very less too.

In women's cricket, all teams except England and Australia are still in average level. If any other team plays against England and Australia, we can definitely bet in the favor of Australia or England. In the England vs Pakistan series, I think Pakistan will whitewash. They will not be able to win a single match.

You are predicting very quickly about this all because there are many cases we have big teams lost badly against very lower ranks teams and in cricket its very common Pakistan women cricket team is very new but still able to fight I watch few matches so my feeling this can one sided series but still we will watch intreseting cricket.

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I have never seen women's cricket before. But since the Women’s World Cup I’ve been trying to keep track of the different series of women’s teams. And sometimes I bet on my favorite team. Women's cricket and boys under 19 are very under-rated

Even i started watching Woman's cricket just to place a bet on the match especially when England and Australia are playing and even though the odds are not that big but it is a sure shot win and it is easier to identity the winner. T20 matches are more competitive than ODI for Women's and the sports book needs to provide much better betting options for these matches.

It difficult to choose the winner between England and Australia women team as both of them are strong teams. Its easy to bet on matches like between England and Pakistan women cricket team. Although the odds for England will not be attractive but the risk of losing will be very less too.

In women's cricket, all teams except England and Australia are still in average level. If any other team plays against England and Australia, we can definitely bet in the favor of Australia or England. In the England vs Pakistan series, I think Pakistan will whitewash. They will not be able to win a single match.

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Quote from: Iranus on January 10, 2021, 10:22:32 AM

Mate, women's cricket is not in the previous state. Women play a lot of good cricket these days. Of course we can't compare them with men's cricket but women have improved a lot in cricket in the last few years. You can see the highlights of the previous Women's World Cup. Then you will have a better idea about women's cricket

If that is the case, then credit should be given to Cricket Australia. Without bothering much about the financials, they set up the WBBL, which gave a platform for the women cricketers from all around the world. They did more to women's cricket than the ICC plus all the other boards combined. On the other hand, the richest cricket board in the world (BCCI) has resorted to delaying tactics to avoid setting up the WIPL.

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Women cricket matches are not so popular among the men. Women may watch them who like cricket but i don't think any men are interested in these matches. Even i did not know any single women player's name of any country.

Mate, women's cricket is not in the previous state. Women play a lot of good cricket these days. Of course we can't compare them with men's cricket but women have improved a lot in cricket in the last few years. You can see the highlights of the previous Women's World Cup. Then you will have a better idea about women's cricket

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I have never seen women's cricket before. But since the Women’s World Cup I’ve been trying to keep track of the different series of women’s teams. And sometimes I bet on my favorite team. Women's cricket and boys under 19 are very under-rated

Even i started watching Woman's cricket just to place a bet on the match especially when England and Australia are playing and even though the odds are not that big but it is a sure shot win and it is easier to identity the winner. T20 matches are more competitive than ODI for Women's and the sports book needs to provide much better betting options for these matches.

It difficult to choose the winner between England and Australia women team as both of them are strong teams. Its easy to bet on matches like between England and Pakistan women cricket team. Although the odds for England will not be attractive but the risk of losing will be very less too.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on January 10, 2021, 12:48:04 AM

I have never seen women's cricket before. But since the Women’s World Cup I’ve been trying to keep track of the different series of women’s teams. And sometimes I bet on my favorite team. Women's cricket and boys under 19 are very under-rated

Even i started watching Woman's cricket just to place a bet on the match especially when England and Australia are playing and even though the odds are not that big but it is a sure shot win and it is easier to identity the winner. T20 matches are more competitive than ODI for Women's and the sports book needs to provide much better betting options for these matches.

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England women cricketers share excitement over Pakistan tour and so do the pakistani women team. England women team is world champions while Pakistani women team have no match with them. It will be a good exposure for the pakistani women team to play two T20 and 3 ODI with them.

Schedule of the Series:-

14 October :: 1st T20I

15 October :: 2nd T20I

18 October :: 1st ODI

20 October :: 2nd ODI

22 October :: 3rd ODI

I look forward to watching this series. Although the series will be one-sided. I don't think Pakistan will be able to win a single match. But playing against the world champions will increase the experience of the Pakistan women's team.

Women cricket matches are not so popular among the men. Women may watch them who like cricket but i don't think any men are interested in these matches. Even i did not know any single women player's name of any country.

I have never seen women's cricket before. But since the Women’s World Cup I’ve been trying to keep track of the different series of women’s teams. And sometimes I bet on my favorite team. Women's cricket and boys under 19 are very under-rated

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England women cricketers share excitement over Pakistan tour and so do the pakistani women team. England women team is world champions while Pakistani women team have no match with them. It will be a good exposure for the pakistani women team to play two T20 and 3 ODI with them.

Schedule of the Series:-

14 October :: 1st T20I

15 October :: 2nd T20I

18 October :: 1st ODI

20 October :: 2nd ODI

22 October :: 3rd ODI

I look forward to watching this series. Although the series will be one-sided. I don't think Pakistan will be able to win a single match. But playing against the world champions will increase the experience of the Pakistan women's team.

Women cricket matches are not so popular among the men. Women may watch them who like cricket but i don't think any men are interested in these matches. Even i did not know any single women player's name of any country.

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The Irish team played very well once upon a time. But in the last few years, I have not heard any news of their series. The team was almost lost. Now they are coming back again. Although they lost the match yesterday, they played well enough. And by watching their game I realized they have a lot of talented players. Paul Stirling is one of them.

Irish team is just disintegrating. The quality of cricket is declining because they are not allowed to play against the older test playing nations. Once in a while they play against weak teams like Scotland and Canada, and that is not doing much to improve their quality. On paper they have the test status. However in the three years since they received their test status, they have played a total of only 3 matches.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on January 09, 2021, 12:48:17 PM

England women cricketers share excitement over Pakistan tour and so do the pakistani women team. England women team is world champions while Pakistani women team have no match with them. It will be a good exposure for the pakistani women team to play two T20 and 3 ODI with them.

Schedule of the Series:-

14 October :: 1st T20I

15 October :: 2nd T20I

18 October :: 1st ODI

20 October :: 2nd ODI

22 October :: 3rd ODI

I look forward to watching this series. Although the series will be one-sided. I don't think Pakistan will be able to win a single match. But playing against the world champions will increase the experience of the Pakistan women's team.

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England women cricketers share excitement over Pakistan tour and so do the pakistani women team. England women team is world champions while Pakistani women team have no match with them. It will be a good exposure for the pakistani women team to play two T20 and 3 ODI with them.

Schedule of the Series:-

14 October :: 1st T20I

15 October :: 2nd T20I

18 October :: 1st ODI

20 October :: 2nd ODI

22 October :: 3rd ODI

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In last year we have no some good number of matches due to Covid-19 but good thing still many players done good job for their countries and Hafeez was leading runs scorer in this format and KLRahul from India was second https://www.mykhel.com/cricket/most-runs-in-t20-2020-rs66/

Babar Azam is the highest run scorer in T20 in 2020, he did not play much T20 International matches but he is leading the pack from the rest of the players by a long margin. If you are taking T20 Internationals then Mohammad Hafeez and KL Rahul are the top run scorers.

Here is the list.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?class=6;id=2020;type=year

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PSL doesn't have the same level of competition, compared to the leagues such as IPL and BBL. But still, Babar did well during PSL 2020. In my opinion, he deserved a slot on the XI from the ICC. The only reason I can find is that Babar made his T20I/Test debut by the end of 2016. So he has only three playing years in the decade. That may be the main reason why ICC ignored him for the XI.

Babar Azam averaged 55.20 in T20 Internationals in 8 matches in 2020 and he is the leading run scorer in all of T20 played in 2020 and i am not sure why he was ignored from the ICC playing XI.

In 2020 his majority of runs came against weaker opponent such as Zimbabwe and Bangladesh. He scored 4 half century and 3 came against them. ICC do have some system of weightage on scoring runs against weak or strong teams.

Despite this i still believe he deserve the place in T-20 squad as overall his record against top ranking team is excellent.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 08, 2021, 10:03:45 PM

Test status hasn't changed anything for Ireland. They are having test status only in name. They are not allowed to play tests against teams other than Zimbabwe and Afghanistan. On top of that, the share of revenues that they receive from the ICC remain far below what other countries such as Zimbabwe receive annually. I don't have high expectations from Ireland. They will end up like what happened to Kenya two decades ago.

If Ireland improves their performance then they can face other established teams, if not who will be watching one sided carnage, they need to play much better innings against Zimbabwe and Afghanistan and then if they perform well then they will get the opportunity to play against top tier teams. Regarding the revenue they just got the Test status and you cannot expect them to get a substantial share just like that and i think it has to do with the revenue they generate as well.

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Quote from: covfefe_ on January 08, 2021, 11:31:52 AM

Paul Stirling is surely one of the best all rounder for Ireland. Maybe the most important player after Kevin O Brien.
But I'm really sad to see how far behind the Irish team has fell. They had an impressive performance in 2006-2016 but have failed to deliver and justify their test status. They were struggling before and they gave a forgettable game even after the pandemic.

Test status hasn't changed anything for Ireland. They are having test status only in name. They are not allowed to play tests against teams other than Zimbabwe and Afghanistan. On top of that, the share of revenues that they receive from the ICC remain far below what other countries such as Zimbabwe receive annually. I don't have high expectations from Ireland. They will end up like what happened to Kenya two decades ago.

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Quote from: Indymoney on January 07, 2021, 04:16:12 PM

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In last year we have no some good number of matches due to Covid-19 but good thing still many players done good job for their countries and Hafeez was leading runs scorer in this format and KLRahul from India was second https://www.mykhel.com/cricket/most-runs-in-t20-2020-rs66/

Babar Azam is the highest run scorer in T20 in 2020, he did not play much T20 International matches but he is leading the pack from the rest of the players by a long margin. If you are taking T20 Internationals then Mohammad Hafeez and KL Rahul are the top run scorers.

Here is the list.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?class=6;id=2020;type=year

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 07, 2021, 09:56:57 PM

PSL doesn't have the same level of competition, compared to the leagues such as IPL and BBL. But still, Babar did well during PSL 2020. In my opinion, he deserved a slot on the XI from the ICC. The only reason I can find is that Babar made his T20I/Test debut by the end of 2016. So he has only three playing years in the decade. That may be the main reason why ICC ignored him for the XI.

Babar Azam averaged 55.20 in T20 Internationals in 8 matches in 2020 and he is the leading run scorer in all of T20 played in 2020 and i am not sure why he was ignored from the ICC playing XI.

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