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Quote from: JSRAW on July 02, 2020, 02:56:34 AM

Accusation directly pointing fingers at Sri lankan's selection committee or indirectly senior players like Murlitharan, Jayawardene, Malinga, Dilshan and more importantly Captaincy of Sangakkara, not Indian team.

Grab a popcorn and let's see what happens.

I cannot believe that these idiots would blame such legends who retired now. This is absolute stupidity.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29392906/sangakkara-jayawardene-called-investigation-2011-world-cup-final%3fplatform=amp

The Sri Lankan government should have focused on developing the current team and helping them improve instead of playing these useless gimmicks. On top of all this, they chose this point when the world is reeling from COVID. Absolute stupidity indeed.

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Quote from: Haunebu on July 01, 2020, 08:48:06 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 29, 2020, 09:32:07 PM

Sri Lanka starting a investigation on "Sold the World Cup" allegation raised by former sport minister. Legendary batsman Aravinda de Silva is called up by the authorities and he's is meeting them today, he was chief selector back then.

This is hilarious. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh sports ministers usually cry over losses based on what I have observed, but I never expected the Sri Lankan to launch an investigation into this after almost a decade as I mentioned in one of my previous posts.

Accusation directly pointing fingers at Sri lankan's selection committee or indirectly senior players like Murlitharan, Jayawardene, Malinga, Dilshan and more importantly Captaincy of Sangakkara, not Indian team.

Grab a popcorn and let's see what happens.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on July 01, 2020, 10:32:44 AM

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Why are you concerned about those journalist in a thread where we discuss about cricket. Whatever it is I would request the moderator to only allow queries related to cricket and delete those post which are not, please also remove/ ban those who are not talking about cricket.

You are not talking about cricket either here in this thread yet complaining about banning who are not talking about it Roll Eyes

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on July 01, 2020, 10:32:44 AM

What exactly led to this discussion I am least bothered. But, we are not discussing anything else but cricket here. If we are unable to do so then we should remove members who divert from topic.

If you accuse something you need to understand what is going on rather than throwing around naive rhetorics.
Since there is not much going around cricket and i think it started regarding the investigation around the accusation in SL.

Lets not bring the drama which is going around in the forum in sports and gambling section. If you think something is inappropriate and needs to be deleted feel free to report those contents.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 01, 2020, 08:27:59 AM

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It is a really great news, there is a cancerous movement that is going on where you can accuse someone and then get away with it and there will be a shadow of doubt on the minds of people because a minister said something because he might know something the rest of the world does not know and by opening an investigation this idiotic culture of accusing anyone without solid proof will be put to rest and if someone wants to accuse someone for popularity sake then they will think twice if there is a backlash for the lies.

Sadly, nothing is going to happen. Here in India, the liberal media brigade (Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Shekhar Gupta, Siddharth Varadarajan.etc) have been convicted multiple times for publishing fake news. But the maximum punishment given by the court is public apology. So these guys would publish a two line apology in their media, and then return publishing even more fake news. I just hope that things are different in Sri Lanka.

Why are you concerned about those journalist in a thread where we discuss about cricket. Whatever it is I would request the moderator to only allow queries related to cricket and delete those post which are not, please also remove/ ban those who are not talking about cricket.

What exactly led to this discussion I am least bothered. But, we are not discussing anything else but cricket here. If we are unable to do so then we should remove members who divert from topic.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on July 01, 2020, 08:27:59 AM

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Sadly, nothing is going to happen. Here in India, the liberal media brigade (Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Shekhar Gupta, Siddharth Varadarajan.etc) have been convicted multiple times for publishing fake news. But the maximum punishment given by the court is public apology. So these guys would publish a two line apology in their media, and then return publishing even more fake news. I just hope that things are different in Sri Lanka.

May be these fake media will not get a harsh punished from the court for publishing the lies but their reputation for not bringing out the truth is gone from the public eyes, no idea about the rules and these media personals but i am sure no one would take their words seriously after getting caught lying and then you are just a joke spreading fake propaganda and sadly all the media will have their political favorites all around the world and i am sick seeing all these bullshit.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 29, 2020, 09:32:07 PM

Sri Lanka starting a investigation on "Sold the World Cup" allegation raised by former sport minister. Legendary batsman Aravinda de Silva is called up by the authorities and he's is meeting them today, he was chief selector back then.

This is hilarious. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh sports ministers usually cry over losses based on what I have observed, but I never expected the Sri Lankan to launch an investigation into this after almost a decade as I mentioned in one of my previous posts.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 30, 2020, 07:54:18 AM

You can check the calendar from teams such as England and Australia. On average, they play 10 to 15 test matches per year. That is 50 to 75 days of test cricket, or more specifically 4,500 to 6,750 overs of test cricket per year. Comparing to this, the number of days/overs spent for ODI/T20 formats are much lower.

I disagree. Quantity does not automatically imply quality. Tests and ODIs have their own niche, but T20 cricket is way more popular in comparison due to the number of viewers, net revenue etc.

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It is a really great news, there is a cancerous movement that is going on where you can accuse someone and then get away with it and there will be a shadow of doubt on the minds of people because a minister said something because he might know something the rest of the world does not know and by opening an investigation this idiotic culture of accusing anyone without solid proof will be put to rest and if someone wants to accuse someone for popularity sake then they will think twice if there is a backlash for the lies.

Sadly, nothing is going to happen. Here in India, the liberal media brigade (Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai, Shekhar Gupta, Siddharth Varadarajan.etc) have been convicted multiple times for publishing fake news. But the maximum punishment given by the court is public apology. So these guys would publish a two line apology in their media, and then return publishing even more fake news. I just hope that things are different in Sri Lanka.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 29, 2020, 09:32:07 PM

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Sri Lanka starting a investigation on "Sold the World Cup" allegation raised by former sport minister. Legendary batsman Aravinda de Silva is called up by the authorities and he's is meeting them today, he was chief selector back then.

It is a really great news, there is a cancerous movement that is going on where you can accuse someone and then get away with it and there will be a shadow of doubt on the minds of people because a minister said something because he might know something the rest of the world does not know and by opening an investigation this idiotic culture of accusing anyone without solid proof will be put to rest and if someone wants to accuse someone for popularity sake then they will think twice if there is a backlash for the lies.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 29, 2020, 11:03:00 AM

^^^ Sachin is no longer active in the international scene, and therefore I would argue that we should rather listen to the current players. If you ask players such as Virat Kohli and MS Dhoni, then I am sure that they would prefer the shorter format instead of the more traditional varieties. Cricket is a career, just like any other. The players would chose the format which takes the least effort and pays the most. Can you point me to any article where either Kohli or any of the other regular players say that they would prefer test matches over T20 (or IPL)?

Right now if we have voting system for format then surely we will have nearly 75% to 80% players those like Twenty/20 and never go for test because this is more entertaining and profitable for them so just because of this ICC is not going to do any thing which create more issue for them right now its good all three formats doing ok and we are enjoying with this all.

I have seen a lot of people complaining that test cricket is not being given any importance nowadays. I would strongly disagree. You can check the calendar from teams such as England and Australia. On average, they play 10 to 15 test matches per year. That is 50 to 75 days of test cricket, or more specifically 4,500 to 6,750 overs of test cricket per year. Comparing to this, the number of days/overs spent for ODI/T20 formats are much lower.

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Follow up news

Sri Lanka starting a investigation on "Sold the World Cup" allegation raised by former sport minister. Legendary batsman Aravinda de Silva is called up by the authorities and he's is meeting them today, he was chief selector back then.

This headline tho... Fox print news at best. Grin

India’s World Cup glory under criminal investigation over Sri Lanka fixing allegations

Now that is one big sarcastic headline, "India's Worldcup glory". I assume after the investigation is over and if Srilankan players are found guilty( which I doubt) ICC will take back the World cup honor and trophy from India.

9 years ago this match was played, why it was not investigated at that time of why these gentelmens were quite at that time? They need to investigate the current situation not the past.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 29, 2020, 09:32:07 PM

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This is really stupid. I do not think the match was sold or anything. India was the best team at that time and they played like a champ. All this shit talking has no means. I see no reason to discuss this issue by Srilankan board even.
Anyway, it would be fun to see India's reaction. Who was the chairman if ICC back then, by the way?

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 18, 2020, 09:20:27 AM

Lol, look at that! Sri Lankan former sport minister Mahindananda Aluthgamage smoking some fine weed nowadays. He's basically blaming sri lankan team that they fixed the match.

‘We sold the World Cup final to India’: Sri Lankan minister’s huge match-fixing accusation

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“I tell you today that we sold the 2011 World Cup finals,” Aluthgamage told Sirasa TV. “Even when I was sports minister I believed this.” Aluthgamage, sports minister from 2010 to 2015 and now state minister for renewable energy and power, said he “did not want to disclose” the plot at the time.

“In 2011, we were to win, but we sold the match. I feel I can talk about it now. I am not connecting players, but some sections were involved,” he said.

https://twitter.com/FoxCricket/status/1273563706580856833

Follow up news

Sri Lanka starting a investigation on "Sold the World Cup" allegation raised by former sport minister. Legendary batsman Aravinda de Silva is called up by the authorities and he's is meeting them today, he was chief selector back then.

This headline tho... Fox print news at best. Grin

India’s World Cup glory under criminal investigation over Sri Lanka fixing allegations

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 29, 2020, 11:03:00 AM

If you ask players such as Virat Kohli and MS Dhoni, then I am sure that they would prefer the shorter format instead of the more traditional varieties. Cricket is a career, just like any other. The players would chose the format which takes the least effort and pays the most.

I do not remember any remarkable performance by MS Dhoni in Test cricket but he is the best in the shorter format and hence i would not doubt if he likes the shorter format, since there are more formats and you could get selected in the team in a specific format if you are performing consistently and many countries have different teams for Test, ODI and T20 and the players do not select which format they play but according to the performance they get selected.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 29, 2020, 11:03:00 AM

^^^ Sachin is no longer active in the international scene, and therefore I would argue that we should rather listen to the current players. If you ask players such as Virat Kohli and MS Dhoni, then I am sure that they would prefer the shorter format instead of the more traditional varieties. Cricket is a career, just like any other. The players would chose the format which takes the least effort and pays the most. Can you point me to any article where either Kohli or any of the other regular players say that they would prefer test matches over T20 (or IPL)?

Right now if we have voting system for format then surely we will have nearly 75% to 80% players those like Twenty/20 and never go for test because this is more entertaining and profitable for them so just because of this ICC is not going to do any thing which create more issue for them right now its good all three formats doing ok and we are enjoying with this all.

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^^^ Sachin is no longer active in the international scene, and therefore I would argue that we should rather listen to the current players. If you ask players such as Virat Kohli and MS Dhoni, then I am sure that they would prefer the shorter format instead of the more traditional varieties. Cricket is a career, just like any other. The players would chose the format which takes the least effort and pays the most. Can you point me to any article where either Kohli or any of the other regular players say that they would prefer test matches over T20 (or IPL)?

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 28, 2020, 08:21:28 AM

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2020, 05:51:21 AM

If this T10 tournament grabbed attention, then i am afraid this will be the end of T20. I don't think two almost identical formats (t10 and t20) can co-exists and have same interest in the game.
If this got popularity, do you think we will have two world cups every year one or two, one for T20 and other for T10 Huh

I do not think they will scrap T20 even if T10 or Hundred catches fans attention but it might hurt the ODI and Test format without a doubt. If cricket has more formats then it is well and fine as we might see more tournaments and club cricket might catch up in the future which is really lacking in the grand scale like we see in Football and for the sport to get popular among new fans they need to restrict the time duration and only time will tell whether it will bring any new fans to cricket.

Those who watch test cricket are not going to suddenly dump that and shift to T20 or T10. Most of this group consists of middle-aged and elderly fans, who are resistant to change. On the other hand, T20 fans are mostly youth, and they may shift to another format if they find it more interesting. All that said, the first group is getting smaller with every passing year and within a few decades there will be near-zero interest in test cricket.

Actually it is nature's rule. If a sport or a particular format is unable to attract fans, it will die out. If the ICC can't make test cricket more interesting, then the prospect of its future survival looks bleak.

@Vishnu.Reang you have brought up a very important point that senior people will never completely switch to T20 and T10 formats as they’ll always choose Test cricket, and you’ll also be surprised to know that Sachin Tendulkar also shares the same views when it comes to test cricket. Furthermore he feels that ICC should preserve this format, and make it more exciting for batman’s and bowler’s which will attract young audience back to this format.

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https://m.gulf-times.com/story/652779/It-s-important-Test-cricket-stays-the-way-it-is-Tendulkar

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 25, 2020, 10:52:14 AM

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For sure cricket is the second most popular sports in the world and 30% of the world population is located in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri lanka Wink

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Global is global at the end of the day(Doesn't matter if it's 1st world or 3rd world countries). There is a reason why Cricket has been listed as the 2nd most popular sport on Wikipedia.

There is huge difference in meaning, global and popular are entirely different. No question about the popularity among the huge population in a few countries but to call it global is a entirely different thing altogether and i am not even talking about 1st world and 3rd world popularity.

There are 195 countries in the world and what all countries do you think cricket is popular and if you can find that answer then you will understand the difference between global and popularity among population Wink

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 28, 2020, 07:29:35 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2020, 05:51:21 AM

If this T10 tournament grabbed attention, then i am afraid this will be the end of T20. I don't think two almost identical formats (t10 and t20) can co-exists and have same interest in the game.
If this got popularity, do you think we will have two world cups every year one or two, one for T20 and other for T10 Huh

I do not think they will scrap T20 even if T10 or Hundred catches fans attention but it might hurt the ODI and Test format without a doubt. If cricket has more formats then it is well and fine as we might see more tournaments and club cricket might catch up in the future which is really lacking in the grand scale like we see in Football and for the sport to get popular among new fans they need to restrict the time duration and only time will tell whether it will bring any new fans to cricket.

Those who watch test cricket are not going to suddenly dump that and shift to T20 or T10. Most of this group consists of middle-aged and elderly fans, who are resistant to change. On the other hand, T20 fans are mostly youth, and they may shift to another format if they find it more interesting. All that said, the first group is getting smaller with every passing year and within a few decades there will be near-zero interest in test cricket.

Actually it is nature's rule. If a sport or a particular format is unable to attract fans, it will die out. If the ICC can't make test cricket more interesting, then the prospect of its future survival looks bleak.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2020, 05:51:21 AM

If this T10 tournament grabbed attention, then i am afraid this will be the end of T20. I don't think two almost identical formats (t10 and t20) can co-exists and have same interest in the game.
If this got popularity, do you think we will have two world cups every year one or two, one for T20 and other for T10 Huh

I do not think they will scrap T20 even if T10 or Hundred catches fans attention but it might hurt the ODI and Test format without a doubt. If cricket has more formats then it is well and fine as we might see more tournaments and club cricket might catch up in the future which is really lacking in the grand scale like we see in Football and for the sport to get popular among new fans they need to restrict the time duration and only time will tell whether it will bring any new fans to cricket.

These formats will have an impact on the quality of players they produce and we might end up with a situation where it is hard to produce any solid players with good defense who could play Test cricket.

Anyone who played cricket could relate to the 10 to 15 overs cricket matches in the backyard or in school and college tournaments as well as club tournaments and during my playing days i was really good at these short formats but i was well aware i was not good enough to play Test cricket or ODI because i lack the stamina or the patience to score slowly and now with these short formats and i am sure you could find millions of players who are really good at these short formats.

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In opinion both T10 and T20 will be played more than any other Cricket Format as they both would be generating the same level of excitement. I do not think T20 will be played less as there are too many tournaments being played in this format. T6 super sides did not generate any response as in my opinion you need minimum 10 overs to get a decent score on the board.

I guess there was a T10 tournament in UAE last year and it wasn't so excited and entertaining at all; beginning of t20 was far better excited and entertaining. Chances of t10 getting popular is too low as the competition won't be existed anymore in the match. Most of them will be unbalanced; one-sided.

I watched some of the T10 matches, and I would somewhat agree with you. It was not as exciting as some of the other franchise cricket leagues. But there were multiple reasons for that. First of all, the teams were not linked to various geographies. For example, the Maratha Arabians didn't had any Maharashtra players and the Deccan Gladiators didn't had any players from Hyderabad. On top of that the format itself was flawed. You are giving just 60 overs to 11 batsmen. Obviously the batsmen would be trying to clear the stands all the time, and there is no scope for other shots such as straight drive or cover drive.

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