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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 05, 2022, 07:46:48 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 04, 2022, 09:48:28 PM

Two decades back (during my college days), I used to watch test matches live. Back then I had spare time to do so. But nowadays it is unthinkable to spend that much time on watching test cricket. I am having a full time job, and family responsibilities. Once in a while I watch for 1-2 hours, and that too happens only when one of the big 3 teams are playing against each other. Even ODI has now become uninteresting for me. A typical 50 overs match lasts for 6-7 hours and unless it is a holiday, I hardly get enough time to watch. So irrespective of whether I like the format or not, T20 suits me.

Everyone has the same issue it is not possible in your busy schedule to sit and watch a Test match for a whole day. Still, there are a few who do watch a test match today. Maybe they have an option while working or maybe they are still die-hard fans of this format. I also cannot spare that amount of time for both ODI and Test cricket and therefore I am happy with the highlights. T20 or IPL are mostly played during the hours when I am also back from work hence I can watch those matches live.

Most working-class does the same but the same attitude can be seen with the younger generation.

Cricket requires a lot of skill and especially the test format requires higher skill than any other format of cricket but test cricket requires a lot of time and generally, people don't have that much time to watch test cricket. often times we can see that it is cricket is arranged on the weekends and people generally watch for 1 or 2 days but after that people need to go to work and a lot of people are just content with watching the score and the highlights.

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Test cricket is a very high skill-based cricket format and it is not entertaining at all for the viewers. I really don't see how people are going to watch test cricket at night after a long day in the office or at work. so I don't think test cricket being played at night is going to bring many viewers to the ground.

Do you watch Ashes, it is one of the most viewed series and if it is not entertaining why would someone watch those. There are certain series that the fans watch and it is a battle between the bat and ball and only skillful players can be consistent and even in that regard it is entertaining for me.

The Ashes is considered pinnacle of test cricket and it's surely interesting event but i would argue that it's not competitive series at all, when playing in Australia. In England yeah it's competitive one for sure.

But not in Australia. The kind of show poms put up there, it's downright embarrassing. Ofc it's funny to watch Poms getting belted by Aussie but after 1-2 test it becomes boring affair.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 04, 2022, 06:55:57 PM

Quote from: BALIK on May 04, 2022, 01:27:49 PM

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Test cricket is a very high skill-based cricket format and it is not entertaining at all for the viewers. I really don't see how people are going to watch test cricket at night after a long day in the office or at work. so I don't think test cricket being played at night is going to bring many viewers to the ground.

Do you watch Ashes, it is one of the most viewed series and if it is not entertaining why would someone watch those. There are certain series that the fans watch and it is a battle between the bat and ball and only skillful players can be consistent and even in that regard it is entertaining for me.

For those who do like to see instant results T20 is the best option. I agree that it is more entertainment and there was a time i used to watch ODI but not anymore unless the match is entertaining or the series is interesting Cheesy

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Bro stops talking like the ICC. you are saying Ashes is the most viewed series of cricket and that's why test cricket has lots of the was just like ICC says that 10 countries playing in a tournament is the world cup. and you can only watch a test match for the whole duration only if you are really interested and attached to cricket, maybe as a player otherwise you have endless time to waste.

People have a lot of things to do. but I am not saying that test cricket is not interesting. test cricket requires the most skill among all the formats of cricket but the part that is not acceptable to the viewers is the time-consuming part.

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 04, 2022, 09:48:28 PM

Two decades back (during my college days), I used to watch test matches live. Back then I had spare time to do so. But nowadays it is unthinkable to spend that much time on watching test cricket. I am having a full time job, and family responsibilities. Once in a while I watch for 1-2 hours, and that too happens only when one of the big 3 teams are playing against each other. Even ODI has now become uninteresting for me. A typical 50 overs match lasts for 6-7 hours and unless it is a holiday, I hardly get enough time to watch. So irrespective of whether I like the format or not, T20 suits me.

That's exactly what people need to understand. you cannot just sit on your butt and watch Test cricket for 5 days. that is the peak inactivity of a man in my opinion. and I think test cricket is eventually going to die out and there is not much that ICC will be able to do about that. but if you or someone who is trying to take cricket as a professional I highly suggest that you should watch test cricket more than any other format.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 04, 2022, 09:48:28 PM

Two decades back (during my college days), I used to watch test matches live. Back then I had spare time to do so. But nowadays it is unthinkable to spend that much time on watching test cricket. I am having a full time job, and family responsibilities. Once in a while I watch for 1-2 hours, and that too happens only when one of the big 3 teams are playing against each other. Even ODI has now become uninteresting for me. A typical 50 overs match lasts for 6-7 hours and unless it is a holiday, I hardly get enough time to watch. So irrespective of whether I like the format or not, T20 suits me.

Everyone has the same issue it is not possible in your busy schedule to sit and watch a Test match for a whole day. Still, there are a few who do watch a test match today. Maybe they have an option while working or maybe they are still die-hard fans of this format. I also cannot spare that amount of time for both ODI and Test cricket and therefore I am happy with the highlights. T20 or IPL are mostly played during the hours when I am also back from work hence I can watch those matches live.

Most working-class does the same but the same attitude can be seen with the younger generation.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 04, 2022, 09:48:28 PM

Two decades back (during my college days), I used to watch test matches live. Back then I had spare time to do so. But nowadays it is unthinkable to spend that much time on watching test cricket. I am having a full time job, and family responsibilities. Once in a while I watch for 1-2 hours, and that too happens only when one of the big 3 teams are playing against each other. Even ODI has now become uninteresting for me. A typical 50 overs match lasts for 6-7 hours and unless it is a holiday, I hardly get enough time to watch. So irrespective of whether I like the format or not, T20 suits me.

You got it so right. Its very hard to spare a.complete day for ODI and impossible if you have a job to spare 5 days for test match. Back in 90s life was not that busy so we can spare time for ODI and test back then. T20 held at night are best to watch and enjoy. May be we have T10 taking over T20 in coming days.

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Quote from: BALIK on May 04, 2022, 01:27:49 PM

Test cricket is a very high skill-based cricket format and it is not entertaining at all for the viewers. I really don't see how people are going to watch test cricket at night after a long day in the office or at work. so I don't think test cricket being played at night is going to bring many viewers to the ground.

I also still prefer to watch ODI cricket because it is the perfect balance of skill and entertainment. I think in T20 cricket there is not much skill needed. But T20 cricket is fast-paced and that's why I a lot of viewers like to watch T20 cricket more than any other format of cricket.

Two decades back (during my college days), I used to watch test matches live. Back then I had spare time to do so. But nowadays it is unthinkable to spend that much time on watching test cricket. I am having a full time job, and family responsibilities. Once in a while I watch for 1-2 hours, and that too happens only when one of the big 3 teams are playing against each other. Even ODI has now become uninteresting for me. A typical 50 overs match lasts for 6-7 hours and unless it is a holiday, I hardly get enough time to watch. So irrespective of whether I like the format or not, T20 suits me.

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Quote from: BALIK on May 04, 2022, 01:27:49 PM

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Test cricket is a very high skill-based cricket format and it is not entertaining at all for the viewers. I really don't see how people are going to watch test cricket at night after a long day in the office or at work. so I don't think test cricket being played at night is going to bring many viewers to the ground.

Do you watch Ashes, it is one of the most viewed series and if it is not entertaining why would someone watch those. There are certain series that the fans watch and it is a battle between the bat and ball and only skillful players can be consistent and even in that regard it is entertaining for me.

Quote from: BALIK on May 04, 2022, 01:27:49 PM

I also still prefer to watch ODI cricket because it is the perfect balance of skill and entertainment. I think in T20 cricket there is not much skill needed. But T20 cricket is fast-paced and that's why I a lot of viewers like to watch T20 cricket more than any other format of cricket.

For those who do like to see instant results T20 is the best option. I agree that it is more entertainment and there was a time i used to watch ODI but not anymore unless the match is entertaining or the series is interesting Cheesy

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I do agree that T20 is lucrative and fun to watch for all the parties, but test match isn’t that bad especially when both teams are competitive e.g. often we have seen 20+ wickets fall under a day, or the last batsman playing out a draw in difficult circumstances and such thrill usually doesn’t come while watching a T20 match.
Lastly I believe that if ICC introduces the pink ball, and more night matches for ODI and Test then then it can revive Test and ODI matches, because without innovation these two formats shall cease to exist in the long run.

I am not sure, how the pink ball will help Test cricket, and playing night matches will increase viewership? Before T20 every team was either playing ODI or Test cricket, I am referring to prior to 2007, at that time we were TV coverage and still, cricket did not get as much recognition as the post-T20 world cup and IPL.

I still prefer watching ODI but a Test match is something that I would prefer watching the highlights as I do not have the patience to watch a whole day match for the next 5 days. Today's generation has the same attitude toward ODI and I am certain in the next 10 years ODI will face the same problem as Test cricket is facing today.

Test cricket is a very high skill-based cricket format and it is not entertaining at all for the viewers. I really don't see how people are going to watch test cricket at night after a long day in the office or at work. so I don't think test cricket being played at night is going to bring many viewers to the ground.

I also still prefer to watch ODI cricket because it is the perfect balance of skill and entertainment. I think in T20 cricket there is not much skill needed. But T20 cricket is fast-paced and that's why I a lot of viewers like to watch T20 cricket more than any other format of cricket.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 04, 2022, 05:01:51 AM

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 03, 2022, 06:49:34 AM

These new teams that are playing the T20 format will not be able to play ODI or Test cricket. All three formats are very different and require different skills. T20 has been beneficial in the growth of cricket but a country cannot only play T20 they need players to play other formats. Unfortunately, there are hardly any players outside the known teams that can play. I think slowly T20 will kill other formats of cricket no matter how hard ICC tries in the future.

The future of cricket lies in T20. We have seen that with test and odi you can't include more teams in cricket eco-system. ICC also knows that, right now we have only one team i.e. Afghanistan which is extraordinary in T20 but not not that good in ODI and test. If ICC move on with T20 then more teams will join in.

I do agree that T20 is lucrative and fun to watch for all the parties, but test match isn’t that bad especially when both teams are competitive e.g. often we have seen 20+ wickets fall under a day, or the last batsman playing out a draw in difficult circumstances and such thrill usually doesn’t come while watching a T20 match.

Lastly I believe that if ICC introduces the pink ball, and more night matches for ODI and Test then then it can revive Test and ODI matches, because without innovation these two formats shall cease to exist in the long run.

I am not sure, how the pink ball will help Test cricket, and playing night matches will increase viewership? Before T20 every team was either playing ODI or Test cricket, I am referring to prior to 2007, at that time we were TV coverage and still, cricket did not get as much recognition as the post-T20 world cup and IPL.

I still prefer watching ODI but a Test match is something that I would prefer watching the highlights as I do not have the patience to watch a whole day match for the next 5 days. Today's generation has the same attitude toward ODI and I am certain in the next 10 years ODI will face the same problem as Test cricket is facing today.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 04, 2022, 05:01:51 AM

I do agree that T20 is lucrative and fun to watch for all the parties, but test match isn’t that bad especially when both teams are competitive e.g. often we have seen 20+ wickets fall under a day, or the last batsman playing out a draw in difficult circumstances and such thrill usually doesn’t come while watching a T20 match.

Lastly I believe that if ICC introduces the pink ball, and more night matches for ODI and Test then then it can revive Test and ODI matches, because without innovation these two formats shall cease to exist in the long run.

If you talk about test then it's the original and proper cricket format. Cricket skills specially of bowlers are tested greatly in test only. The main reason why cricket didn't evolved over time like football, basketball is because of lengthy test format. I am very much convinced that cricket can survive in T20 format in the long run.

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These new teams that are playing the T20 format will not be able to play ODI or Test cricket. All three formats are very different and require different skills. T20 has been beneficial in the growth of cricket but a country cannot only play T20 they need players to play other formats. Unfortunately, there are hardly any players outside the known teams that can play. I think slowly T20 will kill other formats of cricket no matter how hard ICC tries in the future.

The future of cricket lies in T20. We have seen that with test and odi you can't include more teams in cricket eco-system. ICC also knows that, right now we have only one team i.e. Afghanistan which is extraordinary in T20 but not not that good in ODI and test. If ICC move on with T20 then more teams will join in.

I do agree that T20 is lucrative and fun to watch for all the parties, but test match isn’t that bad especially when both teams are competitive e.g. often we have seen 20+ wickets fall under a day, or the last batsman playing out a draw in difficult circumstances and such thrill usually doesn’t come while watching a T20 match.

Lastly I believe that if ICC introduces the pink ball, and more night matches for ODI and Test then then it can revive Test and ODI matches, because without innovation these two formats shall cease to exist in the long run.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 03, 2022, 08:47:13 PM

There are a total of 91 teams listed here. But apart from African teams and a few Asian teams, almost all of the associate teams listed here are 100% composed of foreign players (especially from India and Pakistan). For the namesake, the ICC can claim that cricket is very popular and their ranking includes 91 different countries. But in reality, only around 20 of these teams are composed of native players. And in the recent times, the ICC funding is skewed heavily to favor teams primarily being consisted of foreign players.

Hardly any country outside top 15 or 20 is capable of playing cricket. While if we see fifa rankings then countries in top 75 are capable of giving good performance. Its not incorrect to say that cricket is game of subcontinent now. Players from these countries are the only reason why we are seeing 91 countries in T20 table.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 02, 2022, 09:26:07 PM

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Just like you can't compare apple with orange's, likewise we can't compare icc with fifa. Though cricket is old game but it failed to get global popularity and remain confined to South Asia mostly or we can say countries where UK ruled once. Even associate level teams are capable of beating top teams in fifa while that's not the case in icc tournaments.

I disagree with the last part of your argument. The chance of an associate side defeating a full member is much more in cricket, when compared to football (there is no associate/full divide in football, and FIFA treats all of them equally). Netherlands have defeated England not once but twice in T20 World Cup. Then we have dozens of upsets occurring in various ICC tournaments. The associate nations hardly ever get a chance to compete against the test nations outside the ICC tournaments, and that is why we almost never hear about such outcomes outside the ICC tournaments.

Yes, I agree because if you don't give a team enough chances of competing with the best, how will they be able to beat the best? And we hardly see associate teams play with regular cricket playing teams. These associate teams are needed to be brought forward by the ICC and need to arrange a lot more tournaments for these teams where they can play against better teams and that's how they will get better. Otherwise, these teams are not going to be interested in cricket as the top 10 regular cricket-playing nations are.

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Quote from: coinism on May 03, 2022, 11:01:07 AM

Already we have too much T20 going on in the form of T20 leagues world wide like IPL, BBL, PSL and more. Test is only limited in bilateral series. ICC also knows this fact that T20 is future thats why they don't have any event during two months long IPL. So far we haven't seen new countries joining in due to T20, let's wait for few more years.

You can check the ICC T20 rankings here:

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/t20i

There are a total of 91 teams listed here. But apart from African teams and a few Asian teams, almost all of the associate teams listed here are 100% composed of foreign players (especially from India and Pakistan). For the namesake, the ICC can claim that cricket is very popular and their ranking includes 91 different countries. But in reality, only around 20 of these teams are composed of native players. And in the recent times, the ICC funding is skewed heavily to favor teams primarily being consisted of foreign players.

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Quote from: DanWalker on May 03, 2022, 08:38:19 AM

I really cannot decide which is better for cricket. If T20 is given more importance the other two formats of cricket will eventually be dead and if T20 is not given a lot more important regardless of how the other two formats of cricket are doing I think cricket is not going to be popular worldwide and the popularity of cricket will certainly decrease. so it's a difficult dilemma for ICC.

Already we have too much T20 going on in the form of T20 leagues world wide like IPL, BBL, PSL and more. Test is only limited in bilateral series. ICC also knows this fact that T20 is future thats why they don't have any event during two months long IPL. So far we haven't seen new countries joining in due to T20, let's wait for few more years.

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Same as that we see in the FIFA, cricket needs to be encouraged with more countries. Different levels of qualifiers needs to be conducted, so to give opportunity to new teams. Playing with limited number of teams shrunk the fanbase within specific countries and cricket will be termed as the sport of specific regions. With the T20 leagues more countries have slowly started to practice cricket.

These new teams that are playing the T20 format will not be able to play ODI or Test cricket. All three formats are very different and require different skills. T20 has been beneficial in the growth of cricket but a country cannot only play T20 they need players to play other formats. Unfortunately, there are hardly any players outside the known teams that can play. I think slowly T20 will kill other formats of cricket no matter how hard ICC tries in the future.

I really cannot decide which is better for cricket. If T20 is given more importance the other two formats of cricket will eventually be dead and if T20 is not given a lot more important regardless of how the other two formats of cricket are doing I think cricket is not going to be popular worldwide and the popularity of cricket will certainly decrease. so it's a difficult dilemma for ICC.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on May 03, 2022, 06:49:34 AM

These new teams that are playing the T20 format will not be able to play ODI or Test cricket. All three formats are very different and require different skills. T20 has been beneficial in the growth of cricket but a country cannot only play T20 they need players to play other formats. Unfortunately, there are hardly any players outside the known teams that can play. I think slowly T20 will kill other formats of cricket no matter how hard ICC tries in the future.

The future of cricket lies in T20. We have seen that with test and odi you can't include more teams in cricket eco-system. ICC also knows that, right now we have only one team i.e. Afghanistan which is extraordinary in T20 but not not that good in ODI and test. If ICC move on with T20 then more teams will join in.

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Quote from: romero121 on May 02, 2022, 01:07:29 PM

Same as that we see in the FIFA, cricket needs to be encouraged with more countries. Different levels of qualifiers needs to be conducted, so to give opportunity to new teams. Playing with limited number of teams shrunk the fanbase within specific countries and cricket will be termed as the sport of specific regions. With the T20 leagues more countries have slowly started to practice cricket.

These new teams that are playing the T20 format will not be able to play ODI or Test cricket. All three formats are very different and require different skills. T20 has been beneficial in the growth of cricket but a country cannot only play T20 they need players to play other formats. Unfortunately, there are hardly any players outside the known teams that can play. I think slowly T20 will kill other formats of cricket no matter how hard ICC tries in the future.

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Quote from: galambo on May 02, 2022, 04:52:14 AM

Just like you can't compare apple with orange's, likewise we can't compare icc with fifa. Though cricket is old game but it failed to get global popularity and remain confined to South Asia mostly or we can say countries where UK ruled once. Even associate level teams are capable of beating top teams in fifa while that's not the case in icc tournaments.

I disagree with the last part of your argument. The chance of an associate side defeating a full member is much more in cricket, when compared to football (there is no associate/full divide in football, and FIFA treats all of them equally). Netherlands have defeated England not once but twice in T20 World Cup. Then we have dozens of upsets occurring in various ICC tournaments. The associate nations hardly ever get a chance to compete against the test nations outside the ICC tournaments, and that is why we almost never hear about such outcomes outside the ICC tournaments.

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Same as that we see in the FIFA, cricket needs to be encouraged with more countries. Different levels of qualifiers needs to be conducted, so to give opportunity to new teams. Playing with limited number of teams shrunk the fanbase within specific countries and cricket will be termed as the sport of specific regions. With the T20 leagues more countries have slowly started to practice cricket.

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