Also, answers on problems are good for new members and watchers,
old hodlers, we, are more patient, and have believes in ANC.
Evan troll can make ANC stronger at the end, because he is not telling the truth..
Regards to all, and have a nice weekend!
Topic: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 119. (Read 530660 times)
I didn't want to take the snake under a rock, but if you think he is a troll, I do not know why respond to his posts.
Also, answers on problems are good for new members and watchers,
old hodlers, we, are more patient, and have believes in ANC.
Evan troll can make ANC stronger at the end, because he is not telling the truth..
Regards to all, and have a nice weekend!
Also, answers on problems are good for new members and watchers,
old hodlers, we, are more patient, and have believes in ANC.
Evan troll can make ANC stronger at the end, because he is not telling the truth..
Regards to all, and have a nice weekend!
Is the network under attack or is the website down? Big difference.
Everybody are on IRC or wtf,
if you know something about new attack, (I think that is attack again),
let us noobs here know whats going on, and is there some plan to stop that before ZC..
Thanks
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site+wiki under attack or my connectivity delays
if you know something about new attack, (I think that is attack again),
let us noobs here know whats going on, and is there some plan to stop that before ZC..
Thanks
edit:
site+wiki under attack or my connectivity delays
The network is under attack since 17 hours but anoncoin devs are not aware or don't care.
Network under attack: no response
Cryptsy transactions problem: no response or say Craptsy
I ask responses on the trustless scam: no response or say Troll
And, again, what's your point ? Is this the only thread in town ? Why did you come out from under your rock again ?
Maybe it's you doing the dossing, since as you can'r read why else would you try the wiki ?
Is the Zerocoin implementation going to be trustless? As I understand it, there's a key that needs to be destroyed. If that can't be overcome, this coin has no future.
Yes, it will be trustless. You can read more on the wiki:https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocoin
https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA-UFO
Great Wiki updates! Hopefully this will clear up any confusion some people may have
I added a link to Twitter:
https://twitter.com/AnoncoinTeam/status/515581992344489984
Everybody are on IRC or wtf,
if you know something about new attack, (I think that is attack again),
let us noobs here know whats going on, and is there some plan to stop that before ZC..
Thanks
edit:
site+wiki under attack or my connectivity delays
if you know something about new attack, (I think that is attack again),
let us noobs here know whats going on, and is there some plan to stop that before ZC..
Thanks
edit:
site+wiki under attack or my connectivity delays
As I promised two weeks ago, here is an estimate for completion of Zerocoin-in-Anoncoin that I feel has a very high chance of being met (a "hard deadline").
By October 15, I'll have Zerocoin integration in "alpha" state, and on a testnet for anybody to try.
By November 1, I'll have Zerocoin in mainnet, which means you can use the ANC you have now to mint and spend zerocoins. It will still be in "beta", meaning you should pay attention to our website, IRC, and our bitcointalk.org thread for security updates to the wallet and anoncoind; this is especially important if you are a miner or running a relay node.
I realized that I have made deadlines in the past that were not met. I put a lot of thought into the above deadlines and I know that they can be met. Just as a reminder, I'm working full-time on Zerocoin until at least October 1, and possibly after depending on funding.
Other upcoming dates:
September 15: the RSA UFO project ends, participants are rewarded, and the server source is released to our Github.
September 17: the first Zerocoin commits get pushed to our Github (Anoncoin/anoncoin, "zc" branch). As I said before, the public Github will lag 2 weeks behind active development in our private repository; this is to make things more difficult for copycat coins.
Previous updates:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8750399
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8599297
By October 15, I'll have Zerocoin integration in "alpha" state, and on a testnet for anybody to try.
By November 1, I'll have Zerocoin in mainnet, which means you can use the ANC you have now to mint and spend zerocoins. It will still be in "beta", meaning you should pay attention to our website, IRC, and our bitcointalk.org thread for security updates to the wallet and anoncoind; this is especially important if you are a miner or running a relay node.
I realized that I have made deadlines in the past that were not met. I put a lot of thought into the above deadlines and I know that they can be met. Just as a reminder, I'm working full-time on Zerocoin until at least October 1, and possibly after depending on funding.
Other upcoming dates:
September 15: the RSA UFO project ends, participants are rewarded, and the server source is released to our Github.
September 17: the first Zerocoin commits get pushed to our Github (Anoncoin/anoncoin, "zc" branch). As I said before, the public Github will lag 2 weeks behind active development in our private repository; this is to make things more difficult for copycat coins.
Previous updates:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8750399
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8599297
Gnosis how is development coming along? I've looked at the code but it's hard for me to judge - do you think you are on track to meet the Oct 15th goal?
Matched 101.101 ANC
Left: 1013.95659696 ANC
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8836960
Keep donating guys, let's try to get it all matched before 1st of October.
Current balance ANC:
http://ancblockchain.com/address/AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6
Current balance BTC:
https://blockchain.info/address/14QnfqVG3CqLGBYHgD8tPYJVLxQ2AfvPEx
Left: 1013.95659696 ANC
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8836960
Keep donating guys, let's try to get it all matched before 1st of October.
Current balance ANC:
http://ancblockchain.com/address/AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6
Current balance BTC:
https://blockchain.info/address/14QnfqVG3CqLGBYHgD8tPYJVLxQ2AfvPEx
So whats this coin all about?
Visit OP and the subsequent links....Basically its a community which is keen on anonymity. The developers of the Coin are implementing a "technology" called Zerocoin, which would be the ultimate anonymizer as of now. Compared to CoinJoin or Ring Signitures Zerocoin is far more sophisticated. Not to forget i2p which is already compatible with the wallet
https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Anoncoin_Wiki
Whats the difference between zerocash and zerocoin? As far as im aware SDC is in the process of implementing zerocash into their anon system.
Zerocash is not yet fully developed - Miers and Green are not done with the code as far as I know, they wanted to release the Coin this time around, but who knows, nobody knows anything about it, so any Coin who says they implement Zerocash is basically ... lying.
Zerocoin will be implemented by the Anoncoin Devs, (with RSA UFOs, the original idea was without them), we dont know of any particular Coin with a real approach to implement it, at least nobody is doing the coding correctly (mostly they add the "ZC" branch to their source and that's it) Here in Anoncoin the Devs are really working on it (see source)
The technical differences between Zerocoin and Zerocash are in the wiki ... please read about it here
https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Anoncoin_Wiki So whats this coin all about?
Visit OP and the subsequent links....Basically its a community which is keen on anonymity. The developers of the Coin are implementing a "technology" called Zerocoin, which would be the ultimate anonymizer as of now. Compared to CoinJoin or Ring Signitures Zerocoin is far more sophisticated. Not to forget i2p which is already compatible with the wallet
https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Anoncoin_Wiki
Whats the difference between zerocash and zerocoin? As far as im aware SDC is in the process of implementing zerocash into their anon system.
Very basically a very tiny community. 156 pages in 15 months lmao!
Hi,
If anyone's using tor here's my address for your anoncoin.conf
addnode=45y2lyszn5qnpt3l.onion
I'd be happy to get some feedback from anyone as to whether it works or not, ie: does it show to connect at all in debug.log?
Also, some more tor server addresses'd be nice; i'm not sure how/if there's a routine to locate tor servers like there in irc for ex, anyone know ?
If anyone's using tor here's my address for your anoncoin.conf
addnode=45y2lyszn5qnpt3l.onion
I'd be happy to get some feedback from anyone as to whether it works or not, ie: does it show to connect at all in debug.log?
Also, some more tor server addresses'd be nice; i'm not sure how/if there's a routine to locate tor servers like there in irc for ex, anyone know ?
Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks.
Thanks to "rsa_ufo_attack".
The trolls have gained awareness of each other! Is this a new stage in their evolution?
Trolls? I think it's just one guy playing with himself.
Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks.
Thanks to "rsa_ufo_attack".
The trolls have gained awareness of each other! Is this a new stage in their evolution?
Actually, I think its fair to say that is de-evolution we are witnessing here.
Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks.
Thanks to "rsa_ufo_attack".
The trolls have gained awareness of each other! Is this a new stage in their evolution?
Anyway, I just wanted to clear up some confusion here about the RSA UFOs: users will be able to know that I do not have the complete factorization because the UFOs were produced by hashing with a cryptographically secure hash function (SHA-256, which is used everywhere in Bitcoin, Litecoin, Anoncoin, etc.). Small factors were found and removed in the UFO project. So the procedure to generate the complete RSA UFOs is 1) create the 13 "raw" UFOs by hashing, and 2) divide out the small factors found in the UFO project. This is performed not only by the UFO clients and server, but also will be performed on startup by all Anoncoin wallet software. The code is already there to do this.
You say: I do not have the complete factorization.
We have no proof about that. On the few results you showed us: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8855999 we can see that you received the factors clearly.
About the UFO server code your provided on github, we have no proof that this is the same code used by the server during the few weeks of the RSA-UFO project.
You say: the UFOs were produced by hashing with a cryptographically secure hash function SHA-256
Yes, SHA-256 is a secure hash function and not reversible like RSA but to test and remove small factors from these UFOs, you must to convert these SHA-256 (hex) to decimals. Then, you know the UFOs.
About the ParamGeneration.cpp you provided on your github, this file is to test the 13 RSA-"UFOs" (N number) and start the accumulators with right parameters. The original file is there:
https://github.com/Zerocoin/libzerocoin/blob/master/ParamGeneration.cpp
As you can see, Gnosis removed the original comments about the purpose of this file:
/// Fills in a ZC_Params data structure deterministically from
/// a trustworthy RSA modulus "N", which is provided as a Bignum.
///
/// Note: this routine makes the fundamental assumption that "N"
/// encodes a valid RSA-style modulus of the form "e1*e2" for some
/// unknown safe primes "e1" and "e2". These factors must not
/// be known to any party, or the security of Zerocoin is
/// compromised. The integer "N" must be a MINIMUM of 1023
/// in length, and 3072 bits is strongly recommended.
Also, there is not one UFO, but 13 UFOs; to be valid, a coin must be accumulated in all of them. Using Monte Carlo simulations, I have found that there is a ~20% chance that any one of them can be factored by an extremely powerful attacker. This means that the probability of all 13 UFOs being factored by an extremely powerful attacker is about 1 in a billion -- and note that it would take factoring all of them to be able to forge zerocoins. My definition of "extremely powerful attacker" is one that can remove factors by the Elliptic Curve Method (ECM) up to 768 bits and can factor numbers up to 2048 bits using the Generalized Number Field Sieve (GNFS). This is far beyond what anybody is likely to be able to do for many decades.
This probability is based on the Sander white paper made in 1999. 15 years ago the known capabilities of a supposed attacker were not the same as today. No one knows the actual capabilities of the NSA today and in a year. In this area, things change very fast.
Some infos: http://www.wired.com/2013/09/black-budget-what-exactly-are-the-nsas-cryptanalytic-capabilities/
More infos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_known_prime_number
Can you ellaborate how you concluded the chance of factorization of a single UFO by an extremely powerful attacker is ~20%? To me a probability only makes sense if you take the variable time into account. How can a powerful attacker have a ~20% chance of factorization spending either 1 day or 1 year of computing power trying to factorize the number?
Okay, you're right. Pick any timespan you want, say, one year. A powerful attacker would be one that can find factors by ECM up to 768 bits and factor numbers up to 2048 bits by GNFS in one year. Such an attacker would then have a ~20% chance of factoring any one of those UFOs in that timespan. Assuming the capacity does not change, in 13 years, the attacker would have had a 1 in a billion chance of factoring all of them, because the attacker would have had enough time to be able to try all 13 in that time. Does that make sense?
There is a big mistake with your probability and timespan to broke the 13 RSA keys. You take in consideration that the attacker will do only one attack per key. If the attacker do multiple attacks on the 13 keys at the same time, the timespan to broke them decrease considerably.
Using RSA is doomed to failure because it's reversible. The probabilities and assumptions that it's too complex for an attacker to broke it are absurd. If there is a risk even small, it's not possible to take it.
About the risk of trapdoor, it's impossible to verify because the RSA generation is not made by the wallet but by its creator (Gnosis). The wallet only verify these keys to generate parameters and start accumulators (file: ParamGeneration.cpp).
@Gnosis: What are your arguments against it?
Wait... so all this time you've been saying the Gnosis isn't even competent enough to write the code,
and now you are saying the he not only wrote a secret code, but also wrote a separate app to post for
the world to see and review?
I don't think you do like fish sticks. And even if you claim to, how would we know that you were actually
eating fish sticks and not chicken fingers?
Yes, he is not competent enough to write the code and he know that also:
Keep in mind I'm not a serious cryptographer, just an implementer of crypto
Source: https://pay.reddit.com/r/ZeroCoin/comments/1uy35p/matthew_green_to_speak_about_new_zerocoin_version/
Yes, I repeat, we have no proof that the UFO server code on github is the same code used by the server during the few weeks of the RSA-UFO project. In addition, Gnosis has shown only very few results he wanted to show us. We can see some factors found in clear. Even if he encode these factors with SHA-256, it changes nothing.
In fact, there is no way to generate the 13 RSA keys of accumulators in a trustless manner and Gnosis clearly fail to prove otherwise.
You have been exemplary in your efforts to point out the shortcomings, loopholes and related dangers with the rsa-ufo project. We as a community are indebted to you. But your persistently dogging gnosis has already decreased your credit and standing to next to nothing.
Your continuation will only substantiate the notion that the sole purpose of your presence is to "attack" rsa-ufo, or you labour with the motive of pestering gnosis enough to give up all his info to you on a platter.
You will have observed that donations to gnosis continues unabated. So kindly desist.
The updated RSA UFO page on the Anoncoin wiki. Helps to explain how Anoncoin is going to be first cryptocoin to successfully implement a trustless implementation of the Zerocoin protocol.
Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks.
Thanks to "rsa_ufo_attack".
Yes, there is a noticeable lack of retarded posts like "to the moon" and "such wow, much rich" in this thread, wich again has a direct effect on the number of pages in the thread, quantity vs quality etc. You want lots of pages with hype you should check out librexcoin, There's a user named Plamen345 who's speciality is to remark every second post that he believes LXC will go to 200 k sat any day now. Qualitycontribution.
Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks. Let's see how many pages are written in the seven weeks following Zerocoin on the test-net due around October the 15th. Or written within the seven weeks once Zerocoin is on the main-net due roughly around the beginning of November.
So whats this coin all about?
Visit OP and the subsequent links....Basically its a community which is keen on anonymity. The developers of the Coin are implementing a "technology" called Zerocoin, which would be the ultimate anonymizer as of now. Compared to CoinJoin or Ring Signitures Zerocoin is far more sophisticated. Not to forget i2p which is already compatible with the wallet
https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Anoncoin_Wiki
So whats this coin all about?
Visit OP and the subsequent links.... Jump to: