Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) - page 207.

Gnosis-

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Quote from: alincoln on April 25, 2014, 09:53:19 AM

Gnosis,

How do you respond to the criticism that you might indeed be able to use an algorithm to generate a number of unknown factorization that contains two large prime factors (the so called RSA UFO, a key part of a trustless solution to Zerocoin), but you won't be able to prove you actually used such an algorithm, meaning your Zerocoin implementation will require that we have trust on you?

I have found an approach that anyone can verify. It involves hashing, which means that anyone can verify that I did not multiply prime factors together to generate the "UFO"s (I would need to mount a pre-image attack on the hash function). We can assume that the candidates are uniformly distributed in the range [0, 2^3840), which is nice. See Github (if you read C++):

https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/blob/zerocoin/src/libzerocoin/ParamGeneration.cpp#L748
https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin/blob/zerocoin/src/libzerocoin/PrintUFOCandidate.cpp

PrintUFOCandidate.cpp compiles to a program called "ufo" (do "cd src/libzerocoin/Build-gcc && make -j9 ufo && ./ufo `seq 0 16`") that takes one or more "UFO index" numbers on the command line and generates 3840-bit UFO candidates using SHA-256 hashing. The output format is one or more lines of ":". I am working on a system in which the community can participate in testing these candidates.

My posts in this Reddit thread explain it further.

Quote from: lunokhod2 on April 25, 2014, 03:45:00 PM

Gnosis,

Has the problem described on this thread been solved?

https://pay.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1t23ph/generating_a_composite_number_of_unknown/

Yes it has been solved.

Spekulatius

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Quote from: n00n on April 27, 2014, 05:57:37 AM

http://bayimg.com/IaniEAaFN

My try...

A for AnonCoin and An Arch (=no leader) as in Anarchy.
Sphere around the A as in the classic Anarchy symbol, and also as the Globe in the current AnonCoin logo.
Two horizontal lines thru the letter, for the usual money symbol style,
also results in several layers within the A, symbolizing security layers,
black within the A symbolizing anonymity in contrast to the outer grey noise, symbolizing the outer world.

So you have symbols for:
Freedom, Roots, Global, Currency, Security, Anonymity

Also possible to get with plain grey without noise, or a black A without any background, and so on...

Hope you like it, if so:
AJaFjcHfCQ8poheqE85nb4VDiQEhXj5ptE

n00n

Pretty well designed. But its also pretty dark and moody. I can already hear people yelling "Illuminaty, Pyramids and NWO" Wink

Hannah faeos

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Quote from: shoaib20695 on November 24, 2013, 01:56:56 PM

hi.can somebody kindly post solo mining guide to anoncoin?is this ming different than other altcoin mining?can cgminer do its mining?what darknets like I2P, TOR ??do share the config file settings..do we need to addnodes??thnxx

get source, compile daemon, create config, point your miners to given daemon, done -> ur mining Kiss

K1773R

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Quote from: n00n on April 27, 2014, 05:57:37 AM

http://bayimg.com/IaniEAaFN

My try...

A for AnonCoin and An Arch (=no leader) as in Anarchy.
Sphere around the A as in the classic Anarchy symbol, and also as the Globe in the current AnonCoin logo.
Two horizontal lines thru the letter, for the usual money symbol style,
also results in several layers within the A, symbolizing security layers,
black within the A symbolizing anonymity in contrast to the outer grey noise, symbolizing the outer world.

So you have symbols for:
Freedom, Roots, Global, Currency, Security, Anonymity

Also possible to get with plain grey without noise, or a black A without any background, and so on...

Hope you like it, if so:
AJaFjcHfCQ8poheqE85nb4VDiQEhXj5ptE

n00n

I like this very much

n00n

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http://image.bayimg.com/d898694c80a341c8a720c7f8686fd9e8d717ed1f.jpg
http://bayimg.com/IaniEAaFN

My try...

A for AnonCoin and An Arch (=no leader) as in Anarchy.
Sphere around the A as in the classic Anarchy symbol, and also as the Globe in the current AnonCoin logo.
Two horizontal lines thru the letter, for the usual money symbol style,
also results in several layers within the A, symbolizing security layers,
black within the A symbolizing anonymity in contrast to the outer grey noise, symbolizing the outer world.

So you have symbols for:
Freedom, Roots, Global, Currency, Security, Anonymity

Also possible to get with plain grey without noise, or a black A without any background, and so on...

n00n

jl777

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WTB 10000 ANC PM me with offers, in addition to BTC, I can exchange NXT or even DRK

James

lunokhod2

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Quote from: alincoln on April 25, 2014, 09:53:19 AM

Gnosis,

How do you respond to the criticism that you might indeed be able to use an algorithm to generate a number of unknown factorization that contains two large prime factors (the so called RSA UFO, a key part of a trustless solution to Zerocoin), but you won't be able to prove you actually used such an algorithm, meaning your Zerocoin implementation will require that we have trust on you?

Gnosis,

Has the problem described on this thread been solved?

https://pay.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1t23ph/generating_a_composite_number_of_unknown/

zikomoto

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Quote from: Gnosis- on April 25, 2014, 02:26:30 AM

Quote from: zikomoto on April 24, 2014, 08:35:13 PM

can somebody here explain to me more about zerocoin , i have already read the article posted in the website but i don't understand very well , is it going to be a minable coin or just a coin we can buy , and what is his relation to anoncoin ??

Read this interview I did a couple months ago. Note that the last paragraph ("What do you think"...) is not from me, even though it's in the same font and there is no divider above it.

Any Anoncoins you buy or mine now will be convertible to/from zerocoins once it is launched. You won't need to use an exchange, but you will need to upgrade your wallet software.

thank's

alincoln

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Gnosis,

How do you respond to the criticism that you might indeed be able to use an algorithm to generate a number of unknown factorization that contains two large prime factors (the so called RSA UFO, a key part of a trustless solution to Zerocoin), but you won't be able to prove you actually used such an algorithm, meaning your Zerocoin implementation will require that we have trust on you?

Gnosis-

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Quote from: zikomoto on April 24, 2014, 08:35:13 PM

can somebody here explain to me more about zerocoin , i have already read the article posted in the website but i don't understand very well , is it going to be a minable coin or just a coin we can buy , and what is his relation to anoncoin ??

Read this interview I did a couple months ago. Note that the last paragraph ("What do you think"...) is not from me, even though it's in the same font and there is no divider above it.

Any Anoncoins you buy or mine now will be convertible to/from zerocoins once it is launched. You won't need to use an exchange, but you will need to upgrade your wallet software.

zikomoto

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can somebody here explain to me more about zerocoin , i have already read the article posted in the website but i don't understand very well , is it going to be a minable coin or just a coin we can buy , and what is his relation to anoncoin ??

drAGon925

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I saw nice rise of value and volume on DRK,
and I can only imagine what price could be and will be after Zerocoin and few PR moves.

It is obvious that anonymous coins have an audience, and who must have the most, but the first and true anonymous coin ANC !!!

I am not competent to create a logo or setting up voting on the forum, but I see that there are potential members that could trigger some changes and discussions.

I hope that someone will make the first move, before Zerocoina who seems to be at the end of implantation. We need to prepare the ground a bit.

It's easier to spin the story if the ice breaks and discussions continue.

alincoln

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Quote from: Gnosis- on April 24, 2014, 01:02:21 AM

Quote from: alincoln on April 23, 2014, 05:02:58 PM

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Alincoln, How do you want to go about getting matching donations from the community? personal message? Or does an ANC escrow service exist? Perhaps just a shared doc somewhere?

IMO a shared sheet managed by someone appointed by the community is enough.

I'll match all ANC donations up to $5,000 if the dev team is able to successfully deliver a new version of the ANC wallet with the Zerocoin protocol fully implemented before June 1st.

The implementation must achieve minimally the following: 1) full anonymization of all transactions; 2) be 100% trustless

The feat should be well documented and independently reviewed by a reputable third party. The third party could be any of the major Bitcoin publications, or someone with expertise in cryptography. If you have a better idea I'm accepting suggestions.

After it's independently reviewed and accepted by the community, I'll use Cryptsy's 7 day average rate to convert and match all donations up to $5,000.

This should be seen as a motivation factor and a reward for the developers. If they want to spend the money with girls or traveling instead of reinvesting in ANC itself, it's really up to them.

When you say "1) full anonymization of all transactions;" I think we should be more precise about what it means. When Zerocoin is fully and securely implemented in Anoncoin, you can spend a zerocoin you minted previously, and nobody without access to your computer would be able to connect the minting with the spending. The users still have to watch out for side-channel attacks, such as malware on their computer (even in a VM!), or somebody looking over their shoulder. Also, if their minting and spending have certain patterns (made at the same day of week and time of day, or a very unique combination of denominations), then this can make it possible to link mints and spends. A careless user may also link the same Anoncoin address to both the minting and the spending transactions.

Also, though I2P is very likely to be secure (and more likely to be secure than Tor, in my opinion, because it is harder to do traffic analysis on a packet-switched mixnet), if somebody could ever de-anonymize I2P users, then they could de-anonymize Anoncoin users (even if they use Zerocoin).

If the above caveats are acceptable to you, then I accept your offer.

Hi, your caveats are acceptable.

It's up for the community (or yourself) to create a shared sheet and ask for donations.

Good luck!

Gnosis-

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Quote from: alincoln on April 23, 2014, 05:02:58 PM

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Alincoln, How do you want to go about getting matching donations from the community? personal message? Or does an ANC escrow service exist? Perhaps just a shared doc somewhere?

IMO a shared sheet managed by someone appointed by the community is enough.

I'll match all ANC donations up to $5,000 if the dev team is able to successfully deliver a new version of the ANC wallet with the Zerocoin protocol fully implemented before June 1st.

The implementation must achieve minimally the following: 1) full anonymization of all transactions; 2) be 100% trustless

The feat should be well documented and independently reviewed by a reputable third party. The third party could be any of the major Bitcoin publications, or someone with expertise in cryptography. If you have a better idea I'm accepting suggestions.

After it's independently reviewed and accepted by the community, I'll use Cryptsy's 7 day average rate to convert and match all donations up to $5,000.

This should be seen as a motivation factor and a reward for the developers. If they want to spend the money with girls or traveling instead of reinvesting in ANC itself, it's really up to them.

When you say "1) full anonymization of all transactions;" I think we should be more precise about what it means. When Zerocoin is fully and securely implemented in Anoncoin, you can spend a zerocoin you minted previously, and nobody without access to your computer would be able to connect the minting with the spending. The users still have to watch out for side-channel attacks, such as malware on their computer (even in a VM!), or somebody looking over their shoulder. Also, if their minting and spending have certain patterns (made at the same day of week and time of day, or a very unique combination of denominations), then this can make it possible to link mints and spends. A careless user may also link the same Anoncoin address to both the minting and the spending transactions.

Also, though I2P is very likely to be secure (and more likely to be secure than Tor, in my opinion, because it is harder to do traffic analysis on a packet-switched mixnet), if somebody could ever de-anonymize I2P users, then they could de-anonymize Anoncoin users (even if they use Zerocoin).

If the above caveats are acceptable to you, then I accept your offer.

bitcoin carpenter

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Very interested in libero implementations

Will anc be the first to add it
Trying to figure out if I should invest

alincoln

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Alincoln, How do you want to go about getting matching donations from the community? personal message? Or does an ANC escrow service exist? Perhaps just a shared doc somewhere?

IMO a shared sheet managed by someone appointed by the community is enough.

I'll match all ANC donations up to $5,000 if the dev team is able to successfully deliver a new version of the ANC wallet with the Zerocoin protocol fully implemented before June 1st.

The implementation must achieve minimally the following: 1) full anonymization of all transactions; 2) be 100% trustless

The feat should be well documented and independently reviewed by a reputable third party. The third party could be any of the major Bitcoin publications, or someone with expertise in cryptography. If you have a better idea I'm accepting suggestions.

After it's independently reviewed and accepted by the community, I'll use Cryptsy's 7 day average rate to convert and match all donations up to $5,000.

This should be seen as a motivation factor and a reward for the developers. If they want to spend the money with girls or traveling instead of reinvesting in ANC itself, it's really up to them.

lunokhod2

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Quote from: alincoln on April 23, 2014, 08:24:56 AM

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To explain BroTroxer's response, it's not that it's "just a stack of bills" to us, it's that money cannot readily buy large chunks of time from people with full-time jobs and other responsibilities (unless it's a large enough amount to justify quitting). We would probably need to find new people to help out, and this itself takes time because we have to verify their trustworthiness as well as their competence in their area.

Is this offer still on the table?

Gnosis, my offer was:

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I would like to support this coin by matching any donations from the community up to $5,000 if they are able to fully implement and launch a working version of the Zerocoin protocol before June 1st.

This is a reward to the developers, and an incentive for them to keep working on the coin.

Yes it's still on the table.

Alincoln, How do you want to go about getting matching donations from the community? personal message? Or does an ANC escrow service exist? Perhaps just a shared doc somewhere?

lunokhod2

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gostrol

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Hi,

Before doing things like described there
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6112769 (promotional video etc,..) I have other suggestions to do in a preliminary approach of PR.

We could make a few improvement to ANC branding:

Here are a few ideas:

at first I think we shall find a new logo.

I have some idea for the logo but the best way IMHO is to do a contest like darkcoin did on designcrowd.com : you can check in those few links...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5825307
http://logo.designcrowd.com/contest.aspx?id=469921
http://imgur.com/a/3LCoa
http://imgur.com/a/7sy98

In this way the people will vote for the new logo which will sort things out quickly... funds shall be allocated for this first because without a logo there is no brand identity.
Second, I think the text on the website (about darknet and so on) is not appropriate for broad adoption. I like the way lunokhod2 presented the advantage of ANC in his wiki : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lunokhod/sandbox , particularly Implementation of Zerocoin part. It shall be more vulgarised I think and understandable for many people (even on this forum darkcoin people dont understand their coin is flawed vs ANC).
Third, when the logo has been selected, the website's look should be changed in accordance. (Actually I really dislike the header and slider of the current site).

Meanwhile, I am willing to be a part of the PR team I can do some web design, logo and text.

Ch3rub

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1st time for me to actually post here, but reading the thread it looks like community should really organize around AnonCoin.
For me it looks like some form of committee to decide a way forward could be an idea - a single person should never be a single point of contact.

AnonCoin for me is absolutely unique which is it's strongest point.
The fact devs are committed to doing it's thing is also it's strength as this is how it should be.

Some PR would definitely be a good, I'm not saying go ballistic Doge style but rather focus on coins strengths and let people know about it.

Looking at some other coins and watching how they deal with it could bring some ideas.
I'm watching WorldCoin closely and the way WDC Alliance has been formed and is pushing forward is quite remarkable.

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