Topic: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." (Read 13483 times)

Yup reply is a bit late but you people are right. A simple database of trades would probaly make matters worse then better.

There are to many ways to game the database.

Games-Protect sent me screen shots of his pms.

They tell a different story than the one OgNasty is telling.

When I received this, I figured Games-Protect had sent him the first message with a "remove your signature-or-else" threat:


In reality, OgN was the one who sent the first message and made the threats, after receiving negative feedback from Games-Protect.

You have a point.

How about we start requiring selfies with IDs?

Get real, this would only make it easier for scammers that can fake just about anything, whereas legitimate traders won't do it.

Just to be clear, OgNasty (or anyone for that matter) has never asked, hinted or ordered me to give negative feedback to you. I did it because I believed and still believe what I wrote in my feedback. But lets not derail the thread here, feel free to PM me about it or post on your thread.

We could always require proof of the trade actually has been done(via a video of the chat or teamviewer) but then again, there's a problem about the alts just making a fake chat...(or the person using the teamviewer might be scammers themselves). At least that'll somewhat stop the flood of "trading info" from alts.

Really?  Scammers like Quickseller have dozens of alt accounts.  They would all be leaving fake trade info and soon would become the most "trusted" people on here.

The current system is a lot better than a simple database.

I had a conversation with RHavar in my thread. His last statement was July 25, 2016:

https://bitcointalk.or/index.php?topic=1535816.msg15708241#msg15708241

August 13, 2016 RHavar suddenly gave me the following negative feedback:


And August 13, 2016 is exactly the day when RHavar suddenly decided to give me a negative feedback, with reference to his old post in my thread from July 18, 2016

-> a blind with a crooked stick can see who gave RHavar the order to give me a negative feedback!

Almost as if...

Seems that whenever he gets negative feedback his direct and immediate reaction is to threaten them to get the feedback removed and judging from his track record of no red feedback I'd say it used to be effective.

That is until folks got tired of his shit and didn't comply with his demands and now here we are.

I agree with OgNastys view that it's wrong to leave positive trust to anyone if the only thing considered is your own reputation.

All of these scenarios are wrong.

A)Handing out green trust only to improve your own reputation.
B)Not handing out red trust only to improve your own reputation.
C)Not handing out green trust only to improve your own reputation.
D)Handing out red trust only to improve your own reputation.
E)Handing out neutral trust only to improve your own reputation.
F)Not handing out neutral trust only to improve your own reputation.

It shouldn't matter what type of trust we're talking about, or if it's the decision to leave it or not, if the only motivation is your own feedback - it's wrong.

Until this whole issue involving OgNasty and his signature unfolded a month ago, he had been a member here for over 5 years without leaving or receiving a single negative feedback of any kind.  His reaction to GamesProtect's negative feedback and behavior since then has revealed that OgNasty has probably been going out of his way for a long time to maintain his non-untrusted reputation.

Negative feedback should be a way for users to help inform others of potential risks.  There is nothing to gain directly by leaving negative feedback.  So OgNasty uses it only to convince others not to mess with him and when that doesn't work they contribute to the level of his hissy fit.

You haven't responded to any of my request's for an explanation on why you are telling people I tried to extort you, why you are saying the pms I posted are edited and out of context (here they are with screenshots if anyone's hasn't read them), why you are telling people I AM games direct or support their services.

Should I assume you're just an incredibly stubborn shithead with an ego that's preventing your conscience from doing the right thing?

I would say that it seems like you really want this read locked.

No, this was an attempt to get you to stop making baseless accusations and lies.  Oh look, you just made another one. 

Lutpin said his health is being affected and Og threatened to make public his residential address. I think this has gone beyond Og being bitchy, what if OG decides to pay Lutpin a visit along with some of his friends?

Things could get really nasty here.

I don't think the default trust system has issues.  The only problem is that some users in default trust hand out trust like candy to anyone who has any interaction with them to inflate their ratings, even if there is no trust involved on their end.  There are also users who give trust to proven liars so long as it lines up with their agendas.  I suspect given enough time, the bad eggs will eventually find their way out of the system.  Until then, all you need to do is review someone's feedback.  It's pretty easy to see who you are able to trust.  Lutpin hasn't responded to any of my messages since making this thread to discuss the situation, so it appears he is happy with the result.  I would say I wonder why he hasn't locked the thread, but hey, we all know why, as this was just another baseless attempt to try and hurt my reputation.

The DT system does have issues, but no one has yet to come up with a better system. For the most part, it works fine for helping newbies steer clear of scams. The whole point is after you have been here a while you create your own trust network and go from there. If you can think of something better than by all means post it. Anyways to get on topic: It looks like the feud is over and they should just go their separate ways. I do not think the single negative feedback hurts either of them and this topic should just get locked and forgotten.

I tend to agree with you.  When someone you don't know who doesn't agree with your opinion on something can redden your trust page, the trust system is pretty damn broken.  And I know that's exactly how some of the people I've left negative trust for feel.  And that's my opinion, and I can't think of really anything better unless there was something like what Ebay has, based on marketplace or currency exchange deals.

I've come to believe that the DT system is just wacky, and I took that off my trust settings.  I've given a lot of people negs for the deplorable practice of account sales, but I've not given a lot of positives.  There are people I would trust on this forum, but not many, and I don't know anything about many of the DT members.  I don't do a lot of deals on this forum anyway, so it's kind of moot.

Actually you know what, you are right.
People can not be trusted, they want to get as much money as possible and can not be satisfied with the amount they have. This ruins the whole site, I have been scammed a few times. And of course it pissed me off alot. To stay on topic, scew the trust system it is worthless. If DT people behave so childish that says something about what they are worth.

It happened more then once and additionally there were also cases of DT members scamming thousands of btc in the past - some of them still active on this forum.

It has no point, the whole trust system is shit.
Even the DT people can not behave, so u can come up with the best system, but yes there are always people breaking it. Every system/concept has it pros and cons. The trust system is just too easy to abuse for DT members and neutral trusted can't do anything about it since DT members (mostly) back each other.

In this case there is a war between DT, this is new to me.

Should just remove the trust system and make a database of trades.
Users can then check for them self if someone is trustworthy or not.
The trust system right now with account farmers/buyers/sellers and trust farming/trading/buying/selling just doesn't do anything anymore.
It is pretty much worthless.

It looks like everyone is getting butthurt, it is so weird to see DT members act as 8 year old kids.
Just both remove the feedback, I am sure those 'I hope Lutpin will kill himself' isn't really meant as u guys think. OgNasty is just tired of being accused for promoting a scam, I am not saying it was Lutpin.

Both quit your childish behaviour and get over it.