Topic: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." - page 8. (Read 13483 times)

As I stated, I don't quote private messages out of respect for people's privacy, even if they are in the wrong and harassing me.  I assumed you would take my word for it, but said it was fine if you didn't want to.



As you said, I had already marked TwitchySeal with negative trust.  It was a courtesy to you as I assumed you wouldn't want to condone that type of behavior, and I even reassured you that you didn't have to do anything and there would be no hard feelings.
Again, which part struck you as an extortion attempt?

(BELOW COMMENT IS NOT DIRECTED AT RHavar but a general observation!)
Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature.  Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback.  Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing.

I don't see any extortion attempt in the PM from OgNasty to rhaver. I personally will exclude anyone in my trust network who has a lot of people in their trust network who are leaving ratings that I feel are not appropriate (in some cases, this may only involve one person). This forces more accountability in one's trust list.

On the issue of releasing PMs, I do not consider it a breach of trust when someone releases a PM, provided there was no agreement to keep information contained in a PM private, although as a general rule, I only consider a PM to be private if it is GPG encrypted to my GPG key and/or is a privnote link.

Even if you trust the person you are sending a PM to enough to not release PMs, you should absolutely not trust that a PM will never get released. There are plenty of instances in which PMs could be made public that does not involve either the sender nor the recipient; theymos, BadBear, and anyone else who is given administrative access to the forum can read any PM, there have been reports that 20% of the PMs were for sale along with the member tables (which include IP addresses and PW hashes that was leaked last year), and the forum has previously been hacked for extended periods of time without detection in the past (during which, PMs would presumably be available to the hacker).

I would've been willing to do the same, but you didn't exactly present a case for me to look at. You just stated it as fact, and threatened to remove mitchell from your trust network if I did not.

FWIW, I'm still completely open to this. Present me a decent case of why I should remove TwitchySeal and I will do so.



Let's be honest for a second, this isn't about your trust network.  You already gave TwitchySeal negative trust, it's not like you're going to accidentally trust him.  It's rather apparent you only wanted me to remove my trust to make him appear red by default. And you knew threatening to exclude Mitchell is a far stronger deterrent than threatening to exclude me.


And the reason I'm posting it is not a sinister secret as you make it sound. I take issue with your behavior against Lutpin and felt I should support him. And for the record I have never talked to Lutpin or TwitchySeal about any of this, nor have any relationship with them in any form. You're obviously not a scammer or even an untrustworthy person, but you've let your whole vendetta against TwitchySeal completely blind you.

That was a courtesy.  People ask me to remove people from my trust list all the time and present their case.  I am usually happy to assist by removing my trust if there is a legitimate reason and am even thankful when something like that is brought to my attention.  I was showing you that I wanted to keep you in my trust network, but wanted to remove TwitchySeal, as he was actively harassing me.  Again, this was a courtesy to you and I thought you would be appreciative.  Not sure why you'd see it as some sort of an attack and not a friendly sharing of information.  It was again, an attempt to keep you in my trust network, as in, I wanted to trust you.  Why you felt the need to break that trust and share bits of a PM with some sort of spin that I was attempting to extort you, I'll leave for the community to speculate on.



Please tell me which part of this you considered extortion.

"Disconnecting myself with Mitchell" could suggest that since OGNasty is on DT1, he could ~Mitchell on his trust list and remove him from DT2, which removes his feedback from Ryan's trusted list. The extortion part is the fact that he wanted him to remove the +ve rating on TwitchySeal, or he would do what I just said above. Not sure why he wouldn't just leave a -ve on Ryan though (maybe it would be to suspicious?). I don't see how the sentence with Mitchell could be talking about anything else.

That doesn't seem like strong-arming to me, or else I'm missing something.  Nor does it seem like extortion.  OGNasty didn't threaten any trust against you at all.  He was just--from what I'm seeing in the text you posted--asking you to remove your feedback.  I've had people PM me multiple times with the same general requests and some really did threaten to leave me negs and some did.  For all else that OGN did here, I don't think his note to you adds to this.

I don't like drama, but I do feel compelled to weigh in.


A while ago (2016-05-19) , I left TwitchySeal some positive feedback:

I honestly forgot why, but it was probably to do with one of his posts around that time.

Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. When I asked him for some more information, he basically refused and pressed on with what is arguably thinly veiled extortion of his own:



I never left him negative feedback, as his trade and escrow history gives me the impression he is otherwise an honest guy. But I do take issue with the way he attempted to strong arm me into removing my feedback.

Who would that be?

And yet another Quickseller alt jumps into the conversation.   

Admit this sequence of events began when you contacted me, unsolicited, telling me to remove my signature and advising me to join Lauda's signature ad group and that your claim, "Everything began a few days ago, when out of the blue I was contacted by OgNasty about their current struggles with TwitchySeal/game-protect/et al" is nothing more than a lie.  

Admit at no point did you ever provide any evidence to your claim about my advertiser, and instead took the approach that I do what you say or face consequences.  

Admit that even though you provided no evidence, I still agreed to remove my signature out of good faith and respect for your opinion when my agreement was over, and that was not good enough for you.

Admit that I haven't posted a single private message you sent to me or done anything else that could be seen as a breech of trust, even though you haven't shown me the same courtesy.

Admit that at no point did I threaten to DOX you to anyone.

Admit that I wasn't in slack/irc or posting on the forum for a week, and despite your claims of, "A conflict which I never intended to, and one which I did everything remotely possible to avoid, but frankly, no matter how hard I tried, it failed" you in fact haven't even sent me a message and instead posted negative trust on my account, posted more private messages that were sent to your alt accounts, and started this thread pretending to be the victim.  What part of that was you trying to avoid a conflict?

Remove the negative trust you have placed on my account, apologize for your behavior, stop making threads about me, stop harassing me with alt accounts, stop bothering theymos with your drama, and conduct yourself like an honorable person.

Your words and your behavior doesn't match.  I've admitted to and apologized for everything I did, I even changed my signature, showing that even though you started this, I'm willing to be the first to try and end it.  Now it's your turn.  Admit what you did wrong, and apologize.  I've even started you off with a nice little list of things I can prove, although I'd feel much better about the situation if your apology went further.

I agree, just because two accounts use seperate IPs doesn't mean they can't be the same person.  That's why I asked him what he thinks.

As for the rest of your post,  I'm happy to address any and all accusations made against me - but not in this thread.

Feel free to create a thread or post in one more appropriate.

Betcoin.ag Retaliates (Collection of scam accusations against me)

[Beware] TwitchySeal: Abuses his Rep, replies to his own posts with alts, etc


Also worth mentioning, I've posted my entire pm history (including screen shots) with OgNasty in OP of this thread.

Not sharing an IP donesn't mean you are not colluding with one another. You and your constant flaming,spamming and attacking are the main reason why he said what he said.
Did you not annoy OgNasty to insanity with your constant spamming ?? Did you not force him to abandon campaign ? There is nothing false about that. Now fu?k off weirdo.

Do you still think Lutpin and I are the same person, or has Theymos' findings changed your mind?

Do you still believe the accusations you've made against Lutpin and myself could not possibly be false? 

Seems like someone's salty... Slightly off topic, but I feel your trust feedback is valid and not just to harrass you. Also prove that those 2 are alts, or stop claiming it.

@TruthBeTold - Saying something like leaving a positive feedback would be appreciated isn't forcing or close to that, it's just a suggestion. No one forces you to do anything in that case. Most Crypto-Games.net campaigns might have left one (including me) because they thought that after being paid a certain amount, they would be trustworthy to them. Their feedback usually won't mean anything as well, since most aren't on DT. If you are, you can always put ~NameOfDTPerson in your trust list to no longer see their ratings as trusted.

How is it that as soon as a situation unfolds, people are always accused of having a mass of alternate accounts? It's simply illogical and takes from your argument (or lack thereof, in most cases).


I'm not sure that telling people not to advertise a scummy site with a huge history of problems which were exposed with evidence is "forcing their opinion". I sure as hell wouldn't want someone respected to be advertising a ponzi, for lack of a better comparison.


And this untrusted feedback allows him to...

(Also, are you going to quote that original post, or not?)


What drama?


1. List his alts. You should be able to prove at least one link, if Lutpin (which you spell incorrectly) has that many alternate accounts.
2. This is ridiculous and unwarranted.

And what preceded that ? A bunch of Twitchy and Lutpin attempts in forcing their opinion on the rest.


I am not the one who started crying out to whole forum based on an obvious "fuck off from me bro" 
Lutpin needs to grow a pair.



Don't try to make this about me. I just wanted to show how majority of Lutpin +rep is begged out of.


Constant threats ? It was Lutpin and twitchy that constantly attacked ognasty - not the other way around. Stop misrepresenting the truth. Slack convo was just an endgame, og was attacked daily way before that.

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You're saying Og is a scammer ?  Dude you have some serious problems. Og is the only one who stood up to Lutpins abuse of DT status.

The few things Lutpin did right in his history does not give him right to extort and manipulate people like he is trying to do, he should not be allowed a position on DT - period.

How ? OgNasty threatened him to take severe actions if he "doesn't stop his fight for the right thing".You can read the slack conversations and see how OgNasty is given him continuous threats of the actions he could take and how badly it would end for Lutpin.He did the same in the Twitchy Seal's case.Asking someone to stop advertising a scam is not "bringing stuff on one's self".Being trusted doesn't me they're free to advertise a scam.

Now you're bringing your personal grudges with Lutpin into this.The fact that you're hiding beind a newbie accounts shows how insecure you're and not audacious enough to voice your opinion in public.Grow a pair,bro.

Was it doog ? You sure ? As far as I know ,it was Blaze who put Lutpin on the DT.

The fact that he accepted you/your alt in his campaign shows he was quite neutral about you.You're being a back bitter by attacking someone who pays you every week.That feedback does matter,of course dumbass he is paying you money every week!Unless you're on DT,that feedback wouldn't mean shit.

I can still see a lot of campaigns managed and run by their respective owners/newbies and or other campaign managers.

That is the right thing to do when someone asks you to "kill yourself" and gives you constant threats.Especially when they have your Doxx!

You mean put scammers on the leash?

Lutpin, you brought this on yourself, and you are solely responsible for the position you are in.

For a longer period now, you have tried (and succeeded) in manipulating people and campaigns of what's right and what's wrong , who's to blame, and who's not.
I'm confident you did in fact collude with twitchy in order to annoy people to insanity until something like the above statement from ognasty happened.

Now you are butthurt that someone didn't want to act like you told him to, and are crying to people all over forum of what he said (YOU two irritated him to that point!)

The whole thing would not have happened if dooglus was a tad smarter. Him placing you on DT was like giving a knife to a child and saying : "Do something with it.. ! "

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This situation is quite easy to understand, you are a manipulating snug, that begged his way to (virtual) high trust
https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg

and since getting on to DT, the situation escalated, to the point where campaigns that want to start here feel forced to ask you to manage them, in order not to be attacked. (indirectly ofc, you're smarter than that.)

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Yeah, now that you managed to force DT1 member to remove his signature ..  once again you managed to get away with your brute force.
Hope people aren't dumb enough not to notice this.

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tl;dr version

You WANTED this to happen, so that you could publicly question OgNasty's integrity. Anyone with IQ higher than 1 can see that.
But guess what - people don't appreciate the fact that you are forcing yourself on them, you and your band of alts, cult followers or whatever the hell that is.

Solution to the situation is simple, imo - remove negatives from each others (use neutrals if you have to, no one is scammer here) , go each seperate ways, and

for the love of God , dooglus, remove Lutpin from DT - such an annoying , irritating, manipulative, childish little twat does not deserve to be there!

*ID known to staff.

I was deeply shocked when reading the chatlog of that evening after coming home and I still am. I don't see a reason why anyone would post something like this, ever.
However, I also did not expect you to apologize for this, but you did. I stand corrected, and even if this might just be the public pressure, I appreciate the apology.
Maybe this can be a first step.

After my PMs about your signature, the short private conversation we had over at slack (the one in OP) and the next time we talked about this (aswell in slack, bg4 was there to watch), every time I tried getting this situation solved myself, directly, had the exact opposite effect, things got worse from my perspective after each and every attempt.
To me, this was clearly the sign that I couldn't do it on my own, so I stopped bothering.

As I had immediately contacted Mitchell, who redirected this to theymos not shortly after, I was putting all my hope in theymos getting a hand on the situation.
After all, theymos has more information than we all together, they could bring forward IP evidence and further indications, which all point towards me not having to do anything with the accounts you accuse me of controlling.

When this had however (from my perspective, from what I could see) failed and you kept going after me, PMing my business and private contacts on this forum in a try to remove me from any position I currently hold, I saw no other option than posting this thread. I did feel and I still do feel backed against a corner.

There are threads for posting stuff like that on this forum, this is none of them.
Please keep your posts where they belong, your actions have caused me enough trouble as it is.

This comment is highly inappropriate, but you know that yourself.

Seconded. Please go and read what this thread is about before making comments that are on the edge of being off-topic.

I don't know where they come from, but I'm well aware of your suspicions towards me. I had them in mind when consulting you about this situation earlier.
I fear neither you, nor anyone else, "looking into me", as there is nothing to find, regardless how deep you might be digging. Everyone, feel free to search yourself.
Honesty and transparency have always been key points to me when acting on this forum (that is the truth, you might believe it or not, that's up to you to decide).

There's nothing I want more right now, OgNasty, what do I have to do to put an end to this once and for all?
I want to get this situation over with, tell me how I can achieve this.

yes i salute Ognasty even though he didn't intend to threat. btw how that you kill a threat if he say go and kill yourself? i will understand if he says that i kill you.. hahaha.
i think lutpin take it seriously. btw this must be case closed and removed the negative feedback in each other. The lesson here is to avoid interfering others life and just focus
to yours.