Topic: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." - page 6. (Read 13483 times)

With negative trust on highly trusted and experienced accounts', things can get really bad as OgNasty and Lutpin happen to be valuable contributors to the forum and act as escrow agent and signature campaign manager (and optionally escrow agent too) respectively.

They teach that in school alright..

"Do this or your getting a detention"
"Do that or we are going to call your parents"
"Do these things or you we will fail you"

Should I sue?


He gets it..


Yes it is.. IMO

"stop colluding with that scammer or I will not trust you anymore"...  Fair ball..

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I think the big crux here is that the rules for using the trust system and how you interpret the trust system are wide open, there are no real rules and many people interpret the trust system differently.. There is no supreme court of trust system interpreters..

That is all fine and good until one person with their personal interpretation tries to argue that particular interpretation to another person who happens to interpret it differently..

The trust system is opinion, not fact, and you can hardy argue an opinion..
What information it gives and how it's used can be many different things depending on who you ask..
First you have to have an opinion on how to use the trust system and then an opinion to post to the trust system.

You may not trust johnny anymore because he is late on a lone and post it to the trust system, but that does not mean that Johnnie's brother Joe does not trust johnny anymore..

Furthermore Joe may not think it is correct to leave Johnny negative trust just for being late on a loan, but you might.. Opinions..

Disclaimer: All of this is my opinion, not fact that can be argued.. Just my personal interpretation..

Apparently that's 'not what this thread is about' rofl. I wonder if you'll get the same response I did;)

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Well it seems OgNasty has apologized so are you two ok to kiss and make up now?

I have avoided commenting in this thread so far, for the simple reason that I do not wish to get involved in a dispute between 2 members. I still do not wish to get involved.

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Tell me 'TruthBeTold'... So you think that Lutpin is attempting to collect trust from me, for buying me a spot in a raffle?.. That's not how it works. Not for me anyway.
Myself and Lutpin have done a deal for something, and he feels that I was very fair to him.. As payback, without me asking, he bought me a spot in that raffle.

This does not garner trust from me.

The deal we have made on the other hand, will do, I just haven't gotten round to it yet.

So, there is your prior notice regarding how I leave trust - I will leave Lutpin, and anyone else I feel deserves it, positive trust after a successful trade if I see it fit to do so.

Now... it would be nice if you could stop derailing the thread. Thank you.

Zepher

I think a neutral trust is better than a negative one, come on Lutpin make peace with OgNasty  .

I know it's rare, but some people do speak English to a decent level on this forum.

How dare he buy two raffle tickets to people he speaks regularly to in an IRC channel! What a heartless son of a bitch!

Ah yes, Zepher. One of the highest ranking members of the staff team.. Wait a second!

It's also laughable that you don't have the balls to post from your main account.

Whatever floats your boat man, people are dumb enough to buy that shish.
Buying people stuff for no apparentreason is totally legit ! (Especially if they are high ranking staff members) i dont judge lol

Stop Kidding. It takes a significant amount of talent just to be a basic bitch.





So you mean he is an Extortionist ? Yes you are right in that case. He was extorting the group of participants who were a competition to crypto_games.

While all your posts are off-topic,why don't you make a new thread and brag about your issues there ? Guess what,no one gave a rats ass about your last post and no one will,about this one.Asking a positive feedback from a member at DT level < 3 when they've have been paying the members on time is not considered "begging for reputation".Only if you were audacious enough to post from your main account.[which probably got banned from Crypto-Games signature campaign]

Now that's a load of crap.
I had reached my maximum allowed ticket number and I wanted the raffle to start immediately.
I decided to gift tickets to two users, and zepher, who I have been talking to alot and who I had a very nice deal with recently,
aswell as Mitchell, who is reshipping stuff for me on a monthly basis, without ever asking for any payments or sth,
both stroke me like persons I would want to do this for.
It was a way to say thanks, not an "attempt in collecting trust".

If I said that I will strongly consider donating money to somewhere, but end up not doing it, am I a liar? No.
Strongly considering != I Will Do

It's funny how certain people here have the same writing style 

Aaaanyyywaaayyyzzz  while you're arguing here about Lutpin being called a bi*ch what he is, he's doing his homework..

"Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .."  .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t..

https://s4.postimg.io/nc57fsifh/fag1.jpg

http://archive.is/Kc0Up

Guess begging it out of his followers isn't enough these dayzzz is it..

https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg

These kids are just harassing OgNasty terribly. You have no right to tell me what to wear in my signature space unless we have that amounts of fellowship. Just stop shitting over the forum for whatever reasons.

OgNasty has the rights to remove people from his trust list if they are damaging his reputation over some kindergarten drama & he also has the right to add people to his list if he wants to(not talking bout + ratings). Why the fuck do u fail to understand other pupil perspectives ? and just call it "extortion" cause u failed to.

That pm to rhavar from OgNasty was in fact a favor rather than an extortion attempt. He has the power to simply remove/add without even informing him.


I Second this behavior & I think people should stop attacking OgNasty's reputation over IMO's.

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Not to forget the OP is a liar. He publicly posted that he will be neg-tagging people for joining betcoin Sig camp but he didn't (probably cause OgNasty wore their sig). If i had made such a commitment publicly ? fuck i would even tag satoshi for that. Integrity Kid , you don't get it on forums via trading & nor by licking the asses of authorities.

Well, the first thing I did when I got your message was ask Mitchell to remove me from his trust, because the last thing I wanted was for him to be disadvantaged in any way (even if he stayed in the the default trust). Of course I'd feel bad if my actions (or lack of them) caused any harm to someone who obviously didn't deserve it. I'm just guessing here, but I can imagine that in his role on the forum it's important for him to be out of drama and stay a widely trusted person (which he completely is), so it'd be quite unfair to drag him into this mud.


And I suspect you realized that this would be the most effective deterrent to get what you wanted. It's not exactly like you could give me negative rep (for what? Not wanting to remove a banal trust feedback without evidence?), or excluding me directly would have any use. Instead you promised to do something that amounts to collective punishment (if we want to get all dramatic) unless I helped you make TwitchySeal's account red.


Now, I'm willing to accept I completely misunderstood your intentions, but I'm used to treating things in the form: "Do what I want, or I'll do something I know you won't want" as extortionistic. And I would think that you as an otherwise reasonable person would be able to see why I could have interpreted your message that way, instead of continuing to defend it and try imply I have ulterior motives for spinning it.



Also I note that Stunna had also left twitchyseal positive feedback a couple months after me, specifically related to the betcoin.ag incident:


Did you also go to efforts to have him excluded from your trust network too?

You have threaten me to remove my justifiably feedback:





After you realized that you can not threaten me, you put me on your ignore list

I do not know what you have with Lutpin or TwitchySeal, but you definitely made a mistake with connecting my account to Lutpin's or TwitchySeal's.

After I realized yesterday that you stopped promoting the publicly proven Betcoin scam, I removed my feedback, like I did and will do with anyone else.

This confirms that I do not harass anyone who promotes or promoted the Betcoin scam. I did not send pm to anyone, did not threat them and did not ask to leave the campaign.

It is, however IMO that isn't a similar situation. Of course it is reasonable to remove trust from someone if they make questionable trust decisions, I just don't think that one rating one one user is enough to warrant this. However this is up to personal interpretation, so I won't try to use it against you.
I also find it strange that you are using this as an argument, and yet still have direct positive trust for users such as Spondoolies-Tech. You're fine leaving trust for people who have not followed through with sales commissions, but considered removing positive trust for someone who was linked to someone who trusted someone that you didn't like? It seems a bit backwards to me.

I'm upset that you told a user "Remove your trust or I will do it for you" and see nothing wrong with that. If the roles were reversed and you were told the same thing, would you honestly accept that because he was nice about it? Regardless, I believe a lot of this is a misunderstanding and considering certain things I see no point in arguing about it further.

However, I'm also confused about what you mean by your trust network. Are you talking about the string of positive trusts (You->Mitchell->RHavar->TwitchySeal) or are you talking about the DT network? If the prior, at what point does your 'network' end?

Please don't throw underhanded insults at me; I have done no such thing to you.

Selling something and saying do this or that will happen are two different things.

The first example is called a 'fair exchange' I.E. I trade you this bread in return for your money. This is not extortion and nowhere even close.

The second example is the same as the first, fair exchange and not extortion.

The third example is about the closest you came to being extortion, however loss of trust is not a 'consequence' and this fits into a more of a cause and effect situation.

I hope in the future you choose better examples like I have done that are actually structured to be accurate and not just come and post nonsense.

Here is a good example, you lost my trust when you paraded around on alts promoting false trust and then lying about it. That is roughly the same as your 3rd example except it shows cause and effect more clearly.

I apologize. I am sorry for all you had to endure and maybe even have.

Additional examples of extortion:
"Give me $11.99 or I will not give you a loaf of bread".
"Send me the winning bid amount, or I will not ship you the coin that you won in my auction"
"Tell me the truth about what happened, or I will not ever believe what you say in the future"

The term "extortion" is very broad, one that includes the receipt of property that one is not entitled to, and one that involves things similar to conducting business, and the forming of opinions. I think it is clear that OgNasty was not attempting to receive anything of value that he was not otherwise entitled to, and thus he was not engaging in "bad"/"criminal" extortion. What OgNasty was engaging in was something that would help him gauge the ability to trust a certain person's trust ratings (eg. allow him to form an opinion).

So where's twitchy now? He is the one who started this commotion so better for him to apologies on both parties, maybe he needs to stop his trolling so no people will be involved anymore by this nonsense things happening here.

Maybe he should report to his boss now that his mission is currently failed.

Stop making trouble here paid arrogant shill.