Topic: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." - page 9. (Read 13483 times)

Great post OgNasty!
You had the balls to man up and apologize, now that an apology has been made everyone can move on with their life's as i am sure everyone involved has better things to do than forum fighting. All the best 

Agreed.  Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment.  If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt.  While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't.  Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized.  I should not have said that you should kill yourself.  I did, and I am sorry.



At no point did I ever threaten to DOX Lutpin.  I would also dispute his claim that he tried to do anything to de-escalate the situation as I have gotten no communication from him outside of telling me to remove the signature and join Lauda's signature advertising group.  In fact, we haven't had any interaction at all for several days until I saw him create this thread and leave me negative trust today.



Agreed.  My comment that he should kill himself was not meant as a threat, and he has no reason to fear bodily harm from me.  Hopefully this post relieves some of his stress as nobody's health should be effected by forum drama.  

People who make threats over the internet are most always cowards. 

I wouldn't worry a single second over it.

Not taking anyone's side in this but i have been seeing the situation regarding the 2 members in question unfolding for weeks now and can say it is only getting worse for both parties, let's put a stop to any harassment or accusations now.

And no releasing anyone's DOX please, things don't need to go so far  

This whole situation appears to be a complete clusterfuck. Both sides are accusing the other of bad faith (and much worse).

First of all, I absolutely do not condone someone telling someone else that they "should kill himself", I do not think there is any good reason to make this kind of comment. This is something that I would consider when considering doing business with someone. With this being said, everyone does make mistakes, and everyone gets frustrated, if this truly is an isolated incident, no personal information gets released absent some kind of trade dispute, and OgNasty apologizes, then I think everyone can get past this incident.

The fact that Lutpin was told something very inappropriate does not absolve him from the kind of business practices he is alleged to have engaged in doing. I have long been suspicious of Lutpin, have looked into him, but have never come across an accusation of this kind of business activity -- this is not to say that these allegations are untrue, or unfounded. 

Can you please elaborate which part specifically you are not able to understand?

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Betcoin.ag Poker Terms of Service (TOS)


-> It is juridical not possible to have a legally binding agreement with a domain name! Legally binding agreements are only possible between legal entities or private persons. The “Terms of Service” does also neither state the name of the operator nor a gambling license (if any exist), nothing!

-> False and misleading statements are the criminal offense of fraud!

Fraud Act 2016

2 Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).


Betcoin.ag governed in Hong Kong or Curacao or Costa Rica or nowhere?


Based on what shall the alleged agreements with Betcoin.ag be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong or Curacao?

How could “These Agreements” be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, while online gambling is not allowed in Hong Kong? Does this make sense?

If the Betcoin.ag operation shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, why do you need to irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao?



Wait, Betcoin.ag scam Casino Terms of Service (TOS)


1, 2 or 3, you have to decide, 3 fields are free!

So where is it now? Hong Kong or Curacao or Costa Rica or nowhere?

Who is the operator of Betcoin.ag? Why is the name not stated on their website?

Do you feel comfortable to send your Bitcoins to something while you do not know who the operator is?

Here is a guy who won a huge Jackpot, but of course did not receive it:

BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot

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Just to let you know, until today they were not able to disapprove any of the statements above.

With all due respect,  wishing death on someone on a public forum, in writing,  is fightin' words.  I got no cocks in this fight, but thinking those thoughts and writing them out--especially given your stellar record of trust--are two very different things.

If some of you didn't listen to a troller person well this commotion and conflict of interest will not gonna be happen.

See for yourself what twitchyseal brought up as his past post history says. He was clearly paid shill man. He's doing dirty manipulating tricks here.

Do you ever see people posting 59 pages of troll against one company? I think only twitchyseal is the only one.

I think betcoin.ag's competitor is afraid because betcoin.ag gather more fame on casino business scene. Thats why paid twitchyshill are keeping attacking and attacking so he can give vad image to the said company.

i know people are not blind here try to read for yourself the post history of twitchyseal telling that his account has been made just to attack the betcoin company.


Cheer Up Man your on DT2 list you two shouldn't supposed to be throw some red paint to each other. Be an Example dont be one sided for a single person telling bad against one company.

Black Propaganda is everywhere.

They didn't confirm it so far.

I don't have any memory of contacting you regarding Betcoin sponsoring ACE. I highly doubt that ACE would advertise them (2 members dropped them anyways) anyways. I have contacted you regarding moneypot and your own rates (prior and current), that's it. Please keep me out of this as I have nothing to do with it.

It seems like you've missed the point of this thread.

It was unprofessional as a business owner to say he should kill himself. Obviously I hope you don't actually feel that way, nor do I take it very seriously.

On the other hand who gives a shit what people advertise for? Like seriously there's a whole sub forum that should basically be called 'scams' but you can't advertise gambling websites because they had a major screw up? I've seen way bigger businesses have way bigger screw ups and people just stop using them, not flip out on the Internet.

If you don't like who OgNasty is advertising for then you should have bid higher. Nuff said. He's not advertising a racist kiddy-porn Hitler loving website ffs. It's a bitcoin casino. They're all sketchy, but people love them because they're easy. Pick your battles. This isn't worth it.

@ Luptin grow a pair

I'm not fighting with anyone.  I've made no prior mention of any of his harassment of me publicly on these forums.  I was contacted on this forum, unsolicited, by Lutpin (I did not reach out to him as alleged above), who advised me to remove my signature and join Lauda's signature campaign group.  When I refused, this situation unfolded.  Lauda even contacted me on Slack asking about getting my advertiser to sponsor his new signature campaign group, so I'm not sure when it was labeled as evil.  Nevertheless, rather than get into a public mud-slinging contest, I will leave it to the community to decide who is harassing who.

Twitchyseal bringing up all the mess here, that account has been made just to troll th betcoin.ag as you can see the 59 pages of his post history it is clearly stated that he has personal grudge against the betcoin company.

 Who knows maybe someone paying him to do some dirty works aswell as to ruined  the company reputation and look what happen now the mess is spreading for her lies.

OGnasty can do whatever he want nobody can dictate him upon his decision.

This is all very weird stuff.  Seems like there's some piece of information missing that would explain his behavior - not sure what it is though.

I was starting to think someone was manipulating OgNasty, which would explain why he was acting like this.  But maybe he's just flipping a shit because his 3+ year streak of no red trust of any kind ended.  (when a relatively new member, Games-Protect, left him neg feedback for promoting Betcoin)

If OgNasty doesn't confirm what I'm assuming in good faith then this is much more than bad behavior and he must be tagged.

OgNasty, am I assuming correctly that you didn't really mean this?

They did drop it. AFAIK this was attempted to be solved privately, but they can't control the actions of the other party. From what I do understand, Lutpin is just concerned about their safety at this time as the other party does have their full DOX.

Considering the messages that they've exchanged privately, I'm not sure what to think of this.

This is what we call "bad behavior" now? The situation is a mess.

That's fucked up.  None of this drama surprises me anymore, but two members of DT fighting (even though this has nothing to do with that list) isn't good.  Is OGNasty going to get tagged for this?  It seems like it's bad behavior at the least.

I really don't like how OgNasty has been handling all this. He has accused others to threaten him while I consider his actions could be qualified more as that.
As I've said before I think not advertising Betcoin would be much more responsible, especially for someone as trusted as OgNasty. But I don't think there are enough proof to demand it or to leave negative trust to him or others who promote it. OgNasty promotes it and it's somewhat disappointing but so be it. This has really came out of control.

@Lutpin: I really think you should just drop it. To be honest I'd say it's not worth it. And I really don't think "Really should kill himself" must be taken literally. It's an awful thing to say but I really don't think he meant it. I think he was just mad. Isn't that right OgNasty?

@OgNasty: It seems your whole point is that you assume everyone that asks you to stop promoting it is in a conspiracy, has several alts and has interests on competing sites. However you miss to provide any proof. If what you assume is true then my whole point of view would change.

A good solution to this is to send him one final notice. Inform him that you no longer wish to have any sort of relation to them and that if they release your private information that you will pursue legal action in the form of a civil suit.

Leave it at that and let him continue with what he is doing. Continuing with stuff like this will only prolong the matter and further inflame it unfortunately.