Topic: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." - page 7. (Read 13483 times)

"Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive"
"Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list"
"Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night"
"Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person"

All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is.

In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'. This is something they teach in school and is in fact illegal.

Regardless of whoever Mitchell is OgNasty, you used him in your 'request' to remove someone else's feedback. Whether you think it is extortion or not really doesn't matter. We describe things with words because those words have definitions. If what you said matches the exact definition of a word then it is in fact that word. Should be fairly easy to understand hopefully.

It's a pure shame that people here try to act like they're 'professional' but in the end they're just hypocrites which I find highly amusing and is the cause of my posts here.

It's not that hard to just say you tried extorting that guy and move on with your life. It is what you did after all.

I gotta jump in this.......my stance on status in this forum or offline......stands......I don't care if you are a priest that doesn't make me automatically trust you with my $

With that said........I read that whole thing about Betcoin.ag and OK thanks for posting information about what happened to this guy and others.  I can make my own decision.  Reading Twitchy's others posts.........the guys gotta vendetta against Betcoin.ag.....he wants everyone to stop advertising them.  He an ask and others can decline.  What's the problem?  OgNasty said, hey its $ (which I agree as he is free to do as he wishes) and if you want me to stop pay me.  Again, what's the problem? 

Everyone is suppose to get on the Betcoin.ag Hate Wagon.............I think not.  I can and will do as I wish NOT what someone wants me to do.

OK.....then for me and others who may not understand.  How are you "connected"?? Why does your relationship with Mitchell affect anyone else?  
 

Are you trying to say the way that "trust network" works:  You have a relationship/trust feedback with Mitchell and Mitchell has a relationship/trust feeback with RHavar who left relationship/trust feedback for Twitchy?  So now.......this "trust thing" means YOU trust Twitchy???

Enlighten me, because I don't see it that way.  And if you say it is........then that's a silly.

Did you even read what you quoted?  My trust wasn't an advantage in this situation.  It had literally no effect whatsoever.  The rest of your post is filled with an equal amount of nonsense.

EDIT:  You need to read about the trust network if you want to learn.  I'm not going to educate you in this format or continue arguing with someone that literally doesn't understand the argument.

I also think you are alone in saying I don't care about the community.  I'm the guy who has been donating free electricity and 100% of my mined coins to NastyFans for the last 4+ years.  Hard to say all I care about is profits when I literally run an organization that gives away my resources.  Quite the opposite actually, as I've brought to light potential abuse in the signature campaign market that has gone unreported by a trusted member until now.

I like it how you take your trust as an advantage against any accusations made against you.The moment you realize someone is speaking against your wrongs,you try to use your trust to bring them down.You think removing Mitch from your trust list is going to make people believe that he is any less trusted ?You are constantly threatening members who even try to speak against your will,I don't know what dictionary you refer to but your statements does look like a "direct threat" in the one that I refer.Telling Lutpin to back-off othewrise it's not going to end up good for him is a plain threat.You always try to show you're above everyone else by using your trust.I agree,you held forum's bitcoins and carried out other 200 escrows successfully but that doesn't mean you are someone special and you have your own rights seperate from everybody else.I never ever have known/commented on your discussions before until this one,sooner that I realized you're just riding on the horse because of the few green numbers which surround your profile.You threathened twitchyseal to use your "powers" to bring him down as well.I have nothing against you but negative repping and threattening a few good members who are actually trying to prevent scam on this forum is not appropriate.For the sake of Christ,please care to read Twitchy's betcoin thread and see how they're cheating users.But anyway you wouldn't care,you are just concerned about your profits and I don't actually care about it.    

No,you didn't make it public.Instead,you starting using your contacts (the green trusts obviously) to take more actions agains't them.Messaging theymos/other DT members to remov the one's who started speaking agains't you,which is henious!

Re-read my post.  You still don't seem to be understanding.  I didn't toss in someone else, I said here's the trust connection I have to TwitchySeal, I'm going to break it somewhere, where would you like me to break it?  I'd say it was downright courteous of me, definitely not something anyone should be angry about, except maybe TwitchySeal.  This happens to me so often by so many members of different trust levels, I've never considered it a threat.  I've always considered it responsible trust management...

Better I answer here.....instead of making a 3rd edit....of adding feedback to the Scammer gameprotect  which no doubt is either Twitchy himself (which I believe is that jason jackpot guy)

I'm not reaching.  IMO, not cool to ask anyone to remove feedback. But since ya'll do it, then I will address it as:  If you said, hey buddy this guy if fu*king with me, how bout you remove the feedback you left for him. THEN that's a done deal.  However, you tossed in someone and something else..........see what the "fuss" is about??

(love your name btw~that was 1 good point when I first came to this board, the rest of the points came when I read all the posts and your site and blah blah)  From what I can tell you have a good reputation............keep it that way!!

"This thing" obviously just got snowballing.  You both said your bit.  It's easy to see where each is coming from (least on my end) and honestly, for me.......you both still have your good reputations.  So again, to you both......I think this is done. 

You seem to be misunderstanding this situation.  As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever.  Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result.  It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me.  A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment.  Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching.



I didn't.  I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me.  Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect.  I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days.

Since I had to read this thread (because OgNasty & Lutpin are 2 of the many I have some respect for and that's saying a lot on this forum) I read about OgNasty and went to the site to learn about the mining pool (especially since so many are fullashit and his seemed legit, no I didn't join, I just looked it over)~let me tell you all what an outsider thinks

I think this thread has something to do with:

I posted in a thread where someone asked about leaving feedback on "higher" accounts.  My stance stands the same.  If a newbie/legendary leaves feedback I can make my own decision after reading it.  I don't assume red/green/orange whatever is an automatic UNTIL I read it.

The Doxing thread I read about.

The issue with that guy and his Jackpot win not being paid out.  He accepted a settlement (because he had to there are NO laws that are going to enforce the gambling aspect at least not here in USA) The Casino offered him the settlement because they had to, otherwise they would lose their reputation and users) and that thread went on and on the above is the gist.

I don't know the relationship with OgNasty & the casino.  If it's just the signature that's the issue.  OgNasty's reputation/recommendation isn't going to make me feel any more or less comfortable~I don't cough up $ because someone is endorsing something.

I don't believe the Twitchy person is Lutpin.  If anything, he would be a friend IF not an Alt of that person who had the issues with the Jackpot.

I think Lutpin has a good point for posting this "thread/issue" in the forum.  If this forum is really a community, post it, people can read/post/provide their input and make their own conclusions.

The goofball comments, I wouldn't waste my time responding to or even thinking to waste my time on.

The comment of "really should kill himself" is pretty childish and although you were heated Og, posting is forever, so you have to deal with words/emotions you had at the time.

To Lutpin's defense, there might be some nuts who love you Og and may want to cause harm to him.  The world is full of nuts, so I understand why he feels the way he does. The person who said "grow a pair" I'll say needs to grow one ~~regardless of your "staff knows my ID"~~you obviously don't have a pair to post behind an Alt so please  

RHavar Posting the PM WAS needed and I don't consider posting PM's to be a breach of trust.  It showed a lot.  Og~you wanting someone to remove their feedback because YOU got "into it" with that person??? And if they don't you will be removing the friend of RHavar.....this Mitchell?? Ummm ya that's some playground bullshit.  IF someone leaves feedback~~LET IT STAND OR DON'T PUT IT PERIOD.  I could care less whatever this "trust network" is.  I don't care if there are 1000's +s on someone's account.....it doesn't make what they say gold.  I also don't give a shit whoever the dooglus person is......for some odd reason people keep referring to him and I've already got my own posted opinion.

Furthermore, you say, you/others have done the same.....to which again.....that's some childish shit removing legitimate feedback from someone.....I guess in an attempt to make someone look bad  .  Now, I (I'm sure others) question the feedback you gained & left.

IF anything.......this matter is done.....IMO between you & Lutpin.......admit this admit that......ok I admit to this and to that....WTF kids it's over..........he apologized.......no doxing......those aren't his alt's....... its done move along to getting that Twitchy person (I have to read that dumbass post now to see what the hecks up there).

edit to add: I hope you BOTH leave your feedback. As I said, stand by it or don't post it period.

2nd edit after having to read that garbage Twitchy post:
I've added my red feedback to him.  He has a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and trying to drag other members into it  That's obvious from reading his original post.  But, I did quickly read the rest.........total garbage.  I don't know why you entertained this fool OgNasty?? I'm 100% positive that's NO Alt of Lutpin.  Regardless of what you think about competitor's etc.  I'm standing by what I say.  AND YEP my feedback will never be removed.

I'm glad we can agree on this.



Yes, typically when you allege someone is a scammer, you provide evidence, or a link, or something...  The owner of the signature campaign had no negative trust (but left the campaign shortly after our agreement due to harassment), and the user who supposedly got scammed appeared satisfied with the end result.  Clearly I must have overlooked something, as I don't see why you would continue to wage war against Betcoin if the only complaint against them isn't even a current complaint by the user who made it.  Perhaps if you had actually made a legitimate case instead of telling me what to do, I would have come to a different conclusion on this issue.



Yes, I did.  I also said I would look into options for removal of the signature, but I wouldn't do it unilaterally without first discussing the issue with my advertiser.  As you can clearly see, I've been wearing a different signature for days now.  I also suspended my posting during this period and made this known.  I noticed none of the quotes from me saying what I have done made it into any public thread, even though I was in that same chat asking people what else I could do that would be fair to everyone.



While you may not see this as an offense, it certainly effects how much I trust a person if they can't keep personal conversations out of the public eye.



Looking into ways to release your dox?  This was a bad assumption.  Worse than my allegations actually, as this would be a punishable offense and didn't involve any misinterpretation on anyone's part.



You stopped trying before this drama unfolded?  That makes no sense.  The last message I received from you was on August 1st.  So if your version of, "I did everything remotely possible" means not sending me a message for 18 days while you left negative trust and started a thread to bash my reputation with false DOX claims, then I would agree.



This is an unfortunate stance.  You do realize that you are literally openly paying TwitchySeal for posts he makes bashing me?  When you learned he was harassing me, why wasn't your response that you would look into removing him from your payroll?



By taking it this far I assume you mean your creation of this thread with false allegations and you leaving me negative trust instead of sending me a message to try and work out this dispute?

If you'd like to discuss the issue, I'm certainly willing.  After all, while your goal of getting me to remove the signature has been accomplished, I am still yet to see the end of this harassment and mud slinging, which was my goal.

It's correct that I did PM you about your decision to advertise Betcoin.AG & that I had suggested for you to remove that advertisement and search a different advertiser for your signature space.
I did not consider this a part of the chain of events, as I had sent similar PMs to other people aswell, kinghtdk for example, which reacted in a totally different way to those.
So to be completely thorough, yes, the first motion came from my side, however, the messages/comments on slack were in a whole other dimension than my PMs about your signature.
The reason I suggested you to make contact with ACE is, that they are the only current example of people operating under a custom rate I currently have, aswell as that they include the person, which to my knowledge had/has one of the best signature rates on this forum, Blazed.
I was trying to give you an alternative to your current advertiser, or at least trying to point you in a way where you might find one.

I was under the impression that you had researched the company you were advertising. If you did, you should have been well aware of their current status.
It's fairly easy to find the threads where you can make your own image about betcoin.ag and their current status.
I'm sorry that I didn't directly include these links in my PMs, if they could have changed your reaction.
At no point I said or implied that you had to "face consequences".

You agreed to add a rule to your signature auctions which gives you the option to remove/deny advertisers based on their reputation, or lack therof.
I had told you that I appreciated that addition and that the situation for me was over with this. I did not say, neither did I act in any way to suggest, "that was not good enough".

You're right, you have not posted any personal messages, may it be from slack or this forums PM function.
I did so, because I felt the need to share these. I don't consider this a breach of trust, but others might disagree.

You were looking into ways of releasing the dox of a person that you were believing to harass you.
Given the situation and the previous PMs, aswell as comments on slack, I, aswell as others, made the asumption you were talking about my dox.
It's correct you did never directly name me as the person to be doxed or threat doing so in a direct message to me.
However, I still was intimidated by this move and it scared me, which you probably were aware of.

As I previously explained to you, direct messages had failed, hence I stopped trying.
While you were not on slack or posting publicly on the forum, you did send PMs to several users shortly before I had created this thread, this PMs were the immediate trigger for me posting.
I tried avoiding this conflict for a long time, up until the point where I didn't see it being possible any more. At this point, I had created this thread.
You never sent PMs to my alt accounts, as I don't have any hidden alts. The one I have is publicly known and marked by myself in several ways.
I don't have to pretend to be the vicitim, if you fail to see why I am, I'm sorry for that. You continue to spread lies about me, talking about evidence when there is none and connecting me with alt accounts I have no connection to whatsoever.

I can't apologize for things I didn't do. I don't harass you with alt accounts, hence I neither can stop it, nor will I apologize for something like that.
What I contact theymos about and what not is nothing of your concern. I have contacted them about stuff in the past, I did contact them about this and I will continue to contact them if I see a situation they should probably get involved in.

I'm sorry this situation has been taken this far.
I'm also sorry for the things I made public. I was in a position where I felt cornered and this thread has been a desperate move. I still am.
I'm sorry for the way the person behind the account game-protect has acted against you, even though this has nothing to do with me.

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I don't think Quickseller would make the mistake of asuming I'm in DT2 under dooglus, they know it's Blazed who included me in their trust list.
I also don't think Quickseller would have access to PMs I send to my campaign participants of cg.net, which lets me asume this is an alt of someone who got kicked/banned from that campaign.

It is perfectly reasonable to remove positive trust for a user if you don't agree with their trust decisions.  I'm not sure why we're even debating this.  It sounds like you're upset that I contacted the user and gave him the courtesy of being able to choose how I handled the removal of TwitchySeal from my trust network instead of just taking action.  Mitchell doesn't need me to be in the default trust network and so there really is no threat there, at all, by any stretch of the imagination.  I'm saying that was done as a courtesy out of respect which should have been obvious by the below comments:


I think a reasonable person would come to the same conclusion.

This is irrelevant IMO. Regardless of whether you tell him your actions does not change the fact that you were doing to said actions, nor does it change your motive for doing them.

Once again, it does not deter from the fact that you were going to remove him (and another party with no relevance to the conflict) because he didn't agree with you on the trustworthiness of a user and would not change a rating he had given. While it may be courteous, it is still trying to get your own way through force or threats.

I, in addition to many others I'm sure, accept the apology given for that specifically. I can understand that, especially in heated moments, people can say or do things that they later regret and won't hold it against you. The thing that bothers me specifically is some of your other behavior you don't see as wrong.

I disagree.  I gave him the courtesy of contacting him and explaining why before I removed him from my trust network.  I didn't threaten him and in fact made a point to say, "No hard feelings against you either way."  That is called professional courtesy.

The thing I did wrong was to suggest Lutpin should kill himself.  A sin I have asked forgiveness for.  Just because I was harassed for 12 days straight, didn't give me the right to suggest suicide.

The things is though, at least on this forum, those messages are in no way private and are not said to be so. PM stands for 'Personal Message', not 'Private Message'. While you may not agree with this definition, it is not fair to use this as an argument against others.

Personally, I do not see anything that TwitchySeal did as being in the wrong. Regardless however, it isn't fair to assume people share the same notion of trust as you and further challenge them should they not.

You challenged RHavar with removal from the trust system VIA Mitchell should he not comply with what you were asking him to do.
The difference being that you hold a lot more base on this forum when compared to someone like TwitchySeal. A negative trust rating from members like that shows nothing to the majority of users here, you make a significant mark on people's reputation.

I do not have anything against you and I hope that this was just a lapse of judgement, but I don't think that you are in the right with the majority of things you are saying.

You are free to have that opinion.  I will continue to not hold it against you.  I will also continue to not share PMs as I feel it is a breech of trust.  That is my opinion. 

To address this point directly, as it's been brought up a few times. Firstly I never agreed to keep the contents secret, and made an effort to make sure it wasn't taken out of context. I also used discretion and didn't release (or even share with anyone) with the other things you said that it seems you'd rather not be made public.

Also had I *not* shared the PM with context, it would've been far more damaging and dishonest. I could have merely summarized it as "OgNasty threatened me by saying he would remove Mitchells trust unless I helped him make TwitchySeals red". Instead I gave you the courtesy of sharing the exact wording in which allowed people like Quickseller and The Pharmacist to disagree with my interpretation (which very well might be wrong).


And for the record, I find the whole idea of "I won't share the contents of PMS" but "I will summarize them" absolutely hypocritical. You repeatedly accuse TwitchySeals of extortion/threats, but won't share anything that will allow people to make up their own minds as messages are supposedly sacred and confidential. Well either they're confidential and you don't talk about them, or they're not and you can share them.

Thank you for the apology, I appreciate it.  Misunderstandings happen.  Like I said, I have no hard feelings against you either way.

"Remove your trust from him or ill remove Mitchell" <-- Don't play stupid you know full well that is blackmail/extortion.

I never asked you to remove your signature, nor started a thread about you, nor left you any (negative) feedback at all. Perhaps I woeful misread the intention of your message, it just felt to me like:

"Remove your negative trust of TwitchySeal so he gets red trust, or I will try punish you by going after those who trusted you"

but perhaps I woefully misread it, in which case I do apologize.