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Topic: [OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 # - page 160. (Read 458499 times)
January 06, 2012, 02:15:09 PM
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January 06, 2012, 02:13:54 PM
@littleshop and bitlane
Anything relevant to the pool will not be removed, and I wasn't planning to delete anyways. I'm going to clean it out, but will probably split all the purely flaming stuff into another thread and throw it in Off-topic.
Anything relevant to the pool will not be removed, and I wasn't planning to delete anyways. I'm going to clean it out, but will probably split all the purely flaming stuff into another thread and throw it in Off-topic.
January 06, 2012, 02:12:13 PM
If you guys are going to just constantly flame each other, take it to Off-topic. If this little war keeps up I'm going to have to go through and clean this thread and split a bunch of stuff, really don't want to have to do that.... well I'll probably have to clean this thread out anyways.
As long as we can agree that all relevant information in regards to the misuse of the pool's resources and the malicious attack stay up as they should, you will not read another inflammatory comment from me.
Cheers.
January 06, 2012, 02:06:01 PM
If you guys are going to just constantly flame each other, take it to Off-topic. If this little war keeps up I'm going to have to go through and clean this thread and split a bunch of stuff, really don't want to have to do that.... well I'll probably have to clean this thread out anyways.
While there are personal attacks in this thread which are bad, most of the discussion of what was done with the pool and coilcoin (or whatever it is) are relevant to the topic of the pool and should not be deleted.
January 06, 2012, 01:58:52 PM
Maybe a bunch more chains would be useful, I wonder how many chains at once Luke would bother setting up to attack? A dozen? Two dozen? A hundred?
Seeing as it took less than a day, without any significant cost, and without affecting any of his pool's miners my guess is he could out-mine 1 alt-coin a day. Given 300GH likely wasn't needed he probably could do a couple a day.
January 06, 2012, 01:55:30 PM
If you guys are going to just constantly flame each other, take it to Off-topic. If this little war keeps up I'm going to have to go through and clean this thread and split a bunch of stuff, really don't want to have to do that.... well I'll probably have to clean this thread out anyways.
January 06, 2012, 01:54:55 PM
I don't particularly have any incentive to respond to the scammers that I foiled, given the significant cost (in time) to do so. Nor do I have any financial loss or care particularly if people want to stop mining on Eligius because they were in on the scam (or any other reason). I will clarify that Eligius miners were not adversely impacted by this, and that the CLC mining involved only adding data that I hashed myself to my own transactions; and I was careful to ensure that nobody lost any confirmed CLC. If any Eligius miner wishes to inquire further, I will take the time to answer specific to-the-point questions which are signmessage'd with an active (ie, has mined in the past week) Eligius payout address that has earned at least 2000 TBC (5.36870912 BTC) over all time.
Eligius is a Bitcoin mining pool and I am, as always, committed to doing my best to contribute to and protect the Bitcoin ecosystem. Pyramid schemes built upon forks of the Bitcoin software ultimately discredit and harm Bitcoin's reputation. I hope CoiledCoin will be the last of such scams now that it is clear there are people (not just myself) willing to stand up to them. Namecoin alone demonstrates a legitimate, innovative use of Bitcoin technology, and while I don't personally agree with their ideals/goals, I see it as a good thing for Bitcoin and worth cooperating with.
cablepair, regarding Devcoin, I don't see any reason to treat it as different from any other scamcoin. I will at least discuss it with you on IRC before doing anything other than mining it with the almost-unmodified (zero txn fee, zero post-maturity delay) Devcoin client.
P.S. While the opposition seem to be very venemous and vocal, I have gotten a lot more positive support from a head-count perspective.
Eligius is a Bitcoin mining pool and I am, as always, committed to doing my best to contribute to and protect the Bitcoin ecosystem. Pyramid schemes built upon forks of the Bitcoin software ultimately discredit and harm Bitcoin's reputation. I hope CoiledCoin will be the last of such scams now that it is clear there are people (not just myself) willing to stand up to them. Namecoin alone demonstrates a legitimate, innovative use of Bitcoin technology, and while I don't personally agree with their ideals/goals, I see it as a good thing for Bitcoin and worth cooperating with.
cablepair, regarding Devcoin, I don't see any reason to treat it as different from any other scamcoin. I will at least discuss it with you on IRC before doing anything other than mining it with the almost-unmodified (zero txn fee, zero post-maturity delay) Devcoin client.
P.S. While the opposition seem to be very venemous and vocal, I have gotten a lot more positive support from a head-count perspective.
January 06, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
No matter how intelligent you are if you have no heart people will never respect you. At least in real life...
January 06, 2012, 01:48:48 PM
Heh well if advance announcement is a criteria, let me remind everyone once again of such chains as Martian BotCoins, United Kingdom Britcoins, Canadian Digital Notes, CZech Bitcash, bitNicKeLs, General Mining Corp and General Retirement Corp. Just because you don't see them around a lot doesn't mean they are creeping up to surprise anyone, there has been plenty of forewarning of them.
Oh and just because Unthinkingbit didn't have any use for Groupcoins once Devcoins were developed doesn't mean they no longer exist, either. In fact they have merged mining patches now just like Devcoin does, hoped to provide a slight lead time test before Devcoin's merged mining kicked in but in practice I don't think anyone who has figured out how to actually attempt to merged-mine has tried them yet to see if it actually works.
Maybe a bunch more chains would be useful, I wonder how many chains at once Luke would bother setting up to attack? A dozen? Two dozen? A hundred?
-MarkM-
Oh and just because Unthinkingbit didn't have any use for Groupcoins once Devcoins were developed doesn't mean they no longer exist, either. In fact they have merged mining patches now just like Devcoin does, hoped to provide a slight lead time test before Devcoin's merged mining kicked in but in practice I don't think anyone who has figured out how to actually attempt to merged-mine has tried them yet to see if it actually works.
Maybe a bunch more chains would be useful, I wonder how many chains at once Luke would bother setting up to attack? A dozen? Two dozen? A hundred?
-MarkM-
January 06, 2012, 01:41:28 PM
People that sabotage others just because they can are rats in my eyes. You can try to talk this nice all day long.
People who deceive others about the security of alt-chains in order to make a quick buck are rats in mine. Er, well rats is a bit too intense. I think there are a lot of misguided people and a few greedy people (and even more who wonder wtf all this noise is). ... People who are making all this noise instead of doing something innovative and fixing the problem (hell, I gave several probably adequate solutions) strike me as kinda whiny. It's like you want your get rich quick without even putting some effort into it.
the rest of the required pieces seemed to fall into place...almost seamlessly, to finally label you as such: a Lukejr-Cronie.
Luke is sometimes little crazy but he's intelligent, committed, straight-forward, hard working, and he usually seems pretty kind. (Though I agree blowing up makomk's work so quickly wasn't exactly kind— but neither was Makomk's surprise introduction, surprise altchain introductions maximize the get-rich-quick factor) I've certainly disagreed with Luke, sometimes I think he's overly pedantic and difficult to compromise with. But he's done a number of good things for the Bitcoin community, and I respect him for it. I think it's ironic that more of the code in CoiledCoin was written by (designed by, argued for, and tested by) Luke than the proponents of that chain.
If that makes me a cronie— well, I've been called worse things. Last week I was a patsy to the state or something. I'd wear you allegation with a badge of honor, but it would be too inscrutable to anyone outside of this bizarre little niche of a niche that some people seem to feel is so important.
January 06, 2012, 01:22:05 PM
People that sabotage others just because they can are rats in my eyes. You can try to talk this nice all day long.
January 06, 2012, 01:19:21 PM
I don't believe I advanced any positions there that I haven't advanced here. Thanks for the retractions of your false allegations, by the way, oh wait. You didn't bother.
The only allegation made against YOU was that you were suspected of being a Lukejr-Cronie......
..and I didn't see the point in removing it, since it was clearly proven TRUE (all by you none the less).
When you first came out casting doubt, offering reason and basically strengthening Luke's position, almost making excuses for him and WHY he did what he did.....people took notice (and some responded).
THEN, when you were quoted as part of the 'Crash Celebration' in an IRC chat log, being sure to credit Luke warmly and openly, the rest of the required pieces seemed to fall into place...almost seamlessly, to finally label you as such: a Lukejr-Cronie.
January 06, 2012, 01:12:50 PM
Did deepbit just delete his post or did a mod do that?
He did, since gmaxwell is defending himself now..
January 06, 2012, 01:07:53 PM
Though I doubt that is going to discourage your attempted character assassinations in the slightest.
Actually, you did a pretty good job of that to yourself, with your performance in the above chat log that I re-posted.https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.677863
No harm no foul...LOL
I don't believe I advanced any positions there that I haven't advanced here. Thanks for the retractions of your false allegations, by the way, oh wait. You didn't bother.
Sad enough that some of the mods seemd involved in this shabby action !
My involvement is limited to disagreeing with the people who are very upset about this. Instead I think this is an interesting and informative exercise in the area of bitcoin and alt-chain security which was conducted in a non-harmful (/minimally harmful, I regret that my positions have upset Makomk) manner, and I hope it will be a useful learning experience for all involved.
January 06, 2012, 01:03:29 PM
Though I doubt that is going to discourage your attempted character assassinations in the slightest.
Actually, you did a pretty good job of that to yourself, with your performance in the above chat log that I re-posted.https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.677863
No harm no foul...LOL
January 06, 2012, 01:00:24 PM
I can take it that since the admin/mods deleted my posts in an on topic thread that they support luke and his immoral ungodly actions? Why is this forum, something that I support with bitcoins weekly doing this? luke is an asshole, he abused his power and broke trust, but this forum broke mine. Why were my posts censored???
WTF is this shit?
I bitched about rogue mods before and guess who it is again... yeah ban me you cock sucker. Censor my ass..
WTF is this shit?
I bitched about rogue mods before and guess who it is again... yeah ban me you cock sucker. Censor my ass..
Sad enough that some of the mods seemd involved in this shabby action !
January 06, 2012, 12:58:37 PM
I am still waiting for gmaxwell to answer why my thread was deleted, before we get too far and forget about this.
That thread was DIRECTLY related to this discussion and was about as ON TOPIC as one can get, under the circumstances.
Both THIS post and that thread belong where they were intended.
That thread was DIRECTLY related to this discussion and was about as ON TOPIC as one can get, under the circumstances.
Both THIS post and that thread belong where they were intended.
T'wasn't me. Though I doubt that is going to discourage your attempted character assassinations in the slightest. Apparently, the ALT-coin way is to ineptly try to make people afraid of being critical, or of pointing out (/demonstrating) the fragility of the alt-coin ecosystem. :-/
(Not to mention the fact that the thread in question is right here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pool-ops-are-now-the-alt-currency-police-56791)
But as I pointed out before (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.677202), the apparent effort to get away with horrific over the top verbal abuse by attacking your critics and then claiming a conflict of interest simply isn't going to work.
January 06, 2012, 12:48:08 PM
I guess gmaxwell has said all he wants to say at this point, in the earlier quote that was posted...when talking about the CLC demise.
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[10:31] luke-jr coblee: I didn't orphan anything mature
[10:31] coblee luke-jr: oh ok
[10:32] luke-jr I intentionally avoided anyone actually losing money
[10:32] coblee so just mining, not including transactions, and dumping?
[10:33] luke-jr coblee: actually, I decided it was better not to dump
[10:33] luke-jr coblee: I've also asked BTC-e to reverse the dumping I did earlier
[10:33] coblee how would they reverse the dumping?
[10:33] gmaxwell presumably the counterparties would rather have their btc back.
[10:34] gmaxwell So they could just undo the trades, luke didn't withdraw the bitcoin he got.
[10:34] luke-jr coblee: well, presuming by dumping, we mean "selling"
[10:34] TuxBlackEdo what happen?
[10:34] TuxBlackEdo and why are we still awake?
[10:35] coblee this is pretty funny
[10:35] luke-jr TuxBlackEdo: I effectively disabled the latest scamcoin
[10:35] gmaxwell TuxBlackEdo: a new altcoin showed up out of nowhere.. complete with an exchange and a bunch of eager ponzi pumpers.
[10:35] _W_ TuxBlackEdo, it's morning here
[10:35] gmaxwell TuxBlackEdo: and look took charge of the chain.
[10:35] TuxBlackEdo coilcoin, right?
[10:35] luke-jr Coiled*
[10:36] gmaxwell And some people who were planing to make money fast, are none too happy that they can't get any blocks or txn in, and that luke crashed the price on the market.
[10:36] luke-jr why is artforz helping them workaround it?
[10:36] gmaxwell Awesome. The race is on.
[10:36] luke-jr gmaxwell: well, he's just encouraging them to get BTCGuild onboard "next time" -.-
[10:36] luke-jr nothing fancy
[10:37] TuxBlackEdo instead of crashing the price of a alt chain we should try to somehow make the price of namecoin go through the roof
[10:37] gmaxwell oh. meh, well fine. Its true— but since the cost of setting up more merged chains is still high— good luck with that.
[10:37] coblee they are bashing you on btc-e luke-jr lol
[10:37] TuxBlackEdo that's pretty cool though, props luke-jr
[10:37] luke-jr TuxBlackEdo: pfft, you abuse namecoin anyway
[10:38] gmaxwell coblee: it's a little beyond bashing. At least earlier is was pretty scarry.
[10:38] TuxBlackEdo how
[10:38] luke-jr TuxBlackEdo: you just sell them
[10:38] TuxBlackEdo explain how i "abuse" namecoins?
[10:38] coblee scary how?
[10:38] TuxBlackEdo I never sold a namecoin
[10:38] TuxBlackEdo actually i do the opposite
[10:39] TuxBlackEdo while everyone was selling i was setting up big buy orders
[10:39] luke-jr TuxBlackEdo: then why do you want price up?
[10:39] TuxBlackEdo i own a ton of namecoins
[10:40] TuxBlackEdo ill move some namecoins right now to prove
[10:40] gmaxwell TuxBlackEdo: I'll give you an address to move them to.
[10:40] TuxBlackEdo hehe
[10:40] TuxBlackEdo ill move them to
[10:40] luke-jr lol
[10:41] TuxBlackEdo MxbmJyLDcqTmuzcQoGjPen4fW3AdkNLqBP
[10:41] TuxBlackEdo done
[10:42] TuxBlackEdo a412edf5e41529582f138cbc4bd3991203150fab4797fc472853dedd730b5ca9
[10:43] gmaxwell hahah
[10:43] gmaxwell castonbtce: so what can we say CLC stands for?
[10:43] gmaxwell castonbtce: crazy loser coin?
[10:43] gmaxwell k65onyx: catastrophic loss of coins?
[10:43] gmaxwell artforz: lol
[10:43] gmaxwell castonbtce: cunt luke coin
[10:44] luke-jr hmm
[10:44] luke-jr just in case I accidentally orphaned some non-generation, I just let them all through a few blocks ago
[10:44] luke-jr bet they don't notice <.<
[10:45] doublec I saw them
[10:45] gmaxwell well they were saying that you'd stopped earlier, so who knows.
[10:47] TuxBlackEdo how long is namecoin going to take to generate a block...
[10:48] JFK911 ;;bc,stats
[10:48] gribble Current Blocks: 160874 | Current Difficulty: 1159929.4972244 | Next Difficulty At Block: 161279 | Next Difficulty In: 405 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1221673.16179828 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.32305323054
[10:51] luke-jr reckon I should leave it on overnight?
[10:51] TuxBlackEdo luke-jr, http://explorer.dot-bit.org/a/MxbmJyLDcqTmuzcQoGjPen4fW3AdkNLqBP
January 06, 2012, 12:46:35 PM
My thread in regards to "Pool Ops being the new Alt Coin Police" has been DELETED from the Pools Forum.
Censorship at it's finest.
I feel as though I am about to be banned....and I guess that makes sense, considering this forum allows scammers of all sorts to thrive in the Marketplace without consequence, yet a LEGITIMATE POST in regards to a malicious act of vandalism is deleted from view.
Par for the course, as it seems.
Just in case this is my last post, thanks for the memories.
I am still waiting for gmaxwell to answer why my thread was deleted, before we get too far and forget about this.
That thread was DIRECTLY related to this discussion and was about as ON TOPIC as one can get, under the circumstances.
Both THIS post and that thread belong where they were intended.
I have posted a message about this censorship in META. Hopefully there will be an appropriate response.
January 06, 2012, 12:43:07 PM
There's an ongoing discussion in #bitcoin-otc about this right now.
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luke-jr also, it was unethical to take your users' hashing power and use it for other purposes
<+luke-jr> btc_novice: I didn't.luke-jr did you use your hashing power, or eligius combined hashing power?
<+luke-jr> btc_novice: all hashing involving CLC was done by me
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