[OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 # - page 162.

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:57:06 AM

What YOU are basically saying is that, it's nobody's business what the hashing power is used for, as long as it is partially used for BTC......
The Pool Op can do whatever he/she chooses to do with it....WITHOUT the miner's consent.

You almost got it..

What I'm saying is that for all PPS pools, you are being paid for shares. Those shares can be used however the pool wants. Hell, some pools pay you for stale shares just because they want to. You do work (make shares) and get paid for it. How the work is then used is up to whomever bought it in the first place. If you don't like those terms, find somewhere that has more agreeable terms to you.

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:57:06 AM

Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:54:04 AM

Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:46:56 AM

Where on the pool site does it support what you just said?

Are you an idiot ?
....as an example: WOULD YOU DONATE SUPPORT, TIME OR MONEY TO A CHILDREN'S CHARITY IF THE MONEY/PROCEEDS WERE BEING SENT TO WAGE WAR IN IRAQ INSTEAD OF HELPING CHILDREN ?

When I donate to a charity, I make sure they guarantee/describe what the money will be used for. If I later find out they broke that guarantee, I could take action, either demanding a refund, suing in court, etc.

WELL THEN, it looks like Luke's miners have a grievance to file, in regards to THEIR hashing power being used in a malicious fashion, for Cyber Vandalism MERGED with Bitcoin and Namecoin mining, RIGHT?

Their hashing power is directed to the pool and managed as a TRUST.

I honestly can't wait for a smart pool op to further merge password cracking for his own means, using his pool's hashing power without their knowledge. Now THAT will stir up a huge shit storm.

When you sign up for Eligius, the terms state you will be paid X BTC per share and Y NMC per valid share you submit. NO WHERE does it say that the shares will be used for the exclusive purpose of advancing the bitcoin and/or namecoin blockchains.

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I don't know, bitlane, why don't ask Google to invest, support your chain?

If it's so good, i guess luke can't beat Google, and you'll win!

In coinworld, hashing power is the real power, and needs(money) define hashing power.

Spitting here is nonsense. Sad

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Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:54:04 AM

Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:46:56 AM

Where on the pool site does it support what you just said?

Are you an idiot ?
....as an example: WOULD YOU DONATE SUPPORT, TIME OR MONEY TO A CHILDREN'S CHARITY IF THE MONEY/PROCEEDS WERE BEING SENT TO WAGE WAR IN IRAQ INSTEAD OF HELPING CHILDREN ?

When I donate to a charity, I make sure they guarantee/describe what the money will be used for. If I later find out they broke that guarantee, I could take action, either demanding a refund, suing in court, etc.

WELL THEN, it looks like Luke's miners have a grievance to file, in regards to THEIR hashing power being used in a malicious fashion, for Cyber Vandalism MERGED with Bitcoin and Namecoin mining, RIGHT?

Their hashing power is directed to the pool and managed as a TRUST.....to be used as described, for what the miners officially 'signed up for'...

I honestly can't wait for a smart pool op to further merge password cracking for his own means, using his pool's hashing power without their knowledge. Now THAT will stir up a huge shit storm.

What YOU are basically saying is that, it's nobody's business what the hashing power is used for, as long as it is partially used for BTC......
The Pool Op can do whatever he/she chooses to do with it....WITHOUT the miner's consent.

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:46:56 AM

Where on the pool site does it support what you just said?

Are you an idiot ?
....as an example: WOULD YOU DONATE SUPPORT, TIME OR MONEY TO A CHILDREN'S CHARITY IF THE MONEY/PROCEEDS WERE BEING SENT TO WAGE WAR IN IRAQ INSTEAD OF HELPING CHILDREN ?

When I donate to a charity, I make sure they guarantee/describe what the money will be used for. If I later find out they broke that guarantee, I could take action, either demanding a refund, suing in court, etc.

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In addition to helping children. Merged, remember.

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Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:46:56 AM

Where on the pool site does it support what you just said?

Are you an idiot ?
....as an example: WOULD YOU DONATE SUPPORT, TIME OR MONEY TO A CHILDREN'S CHARITY IF THE MONEY/PROCEEDS WERE BEING SENT TO WAGE WAR IN IRAQ INSTEAD OF HELPING CHILDREN ?

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:46:03 AM

Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:42:32 AM

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Miners that got abused by Luke have all the right to leave him if he stole some hours of their mining profit but they should look into their contract. I doubt there is any guarantee to get actual bitcoins for mining at Eligius.

Merged mining. No wasted hashes.

It does say that for every share you provide, you get paid a certain amount of BTC. It doesn't say he has to use it for Bitcoin or anything else. He could pay you in bitcoins and use the hashes for solidcoin if he wanted.

NO, no he couldn't, as users would simply object on principal alone....that they were being forced to mine/support a project that they chose NOT to, or have no say in.

Where on the pool site does it support what you just said? He makes no guarantees as to what the hashes were used for.

When namecoin merged mining first came around and it was enabled on Eligius, the miners demanded a share of the namecoins because they had mined it. I'm surprised that they haven't demanded a share of the coiledcoins. Paying those coins out would effectively kill part of luke's kill effort.

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Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:42:32 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Miners that got abused by Luke have all the right to leave him if he stole some hours of their mining profit but they should look into their contract. I doubt there is any guarantee to get actual bitcoins for mining at Eligius.

Merged mining. No wasted hashes.

It does say that for every share you provide, you get paid a certain amount of BTC. It doesn't say he has to use it for Bitcoin or anything else. He could pay you in bitcoins and use the hashes for solidcoin if he wanted.

NO, no he couldn't, as users would simply object on principal alone....that they were being forced to mine/support a project that they chose NOT to, or have no say in.

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Miners that got abused by Luke have all the right to leave him if he stole some hours of their mining profit but they should look into their contract. I doubt there is any guarantee to get actual bitcoins for mining at Eligius.

Merged mining. No wasted hashes.

It does say that for every share you provide, you get paid a certain amount of BTC. It doesn't say he has to use it for Bitcoin or anything else. He could pay you in bitcoins and use the hashes for solidcoin if he wanted.

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:39:59 AM

Quote from: Inaba on January 06, 2012, 11:38:42 AM

Yeah I would like to hear the reasoning as to why it was deleted. Seems to be an abuse of mod power to me. I still have a copy of the first page in my browser window.

Could you please PM me my first post, if you don't mind ?

PM it to me too

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Quote from: Inaba on January 06, 2012, 11:38:42 AM

Yeah I would like to hear the reasoning as to why it was deleted. Seems to be an abuse of mod power to me. I still have a copy of the first page in my browser window.

Could you please PM me my first post, if you don't mind ?

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me too.

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I mean, i would lend my hashing power too, if you provide more BTC or NMC.

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Yeah I would like to hear the reasoning as to why it was deleted. Seems to be an abuse of mod power to me. I still have a copy of the first page in my browser window.

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It is not up to you, me or anyone else to decide which is legit, if people want to mine and trade them they can. Or that was the case until this asshole took it upon himself to decide for everyone else... And as to your just posted comment for someone who disagrees with him on most things you sure have your nose stuck firmly up his ass on this one.

It IS up to each of us to decide which is legit and which to use. Anyone that mines with a pool inherently gives the pool operator permission to use his/her hashes as the pool op wants. Each miner has to trust that the pool op is doing what he/she has announced and nothing more/less. If a miner feels the pool operator has abused that position of trust/acted in bad faith, the miner is free to mine somewhere else.

Just because I disagree with you, does not mean I am a "brown noser."

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Quote from: tysat on January 06, 2012, 11:33:55 AM

Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:30:25 AM

My thread in regards to "Pool Ops being the new Alt Coin Police" has been DELETED from the Pools Forum.

Censorship at it's finest.

I feel as though I am about to be banned....and I guess that makes sense, considering this forum allows scammers of all sorts to thrive in the Marketplace without consequence, yet a LEGITIMATE POST in regards to a malicious act of vandalism is deleted from view.

Par for the course, as it seems.
Just in case this is my last post, thanks for the memories.

I'm not sure why your post was deleted, I wasn't the mod to do it. If anything it should have just been moved. It may be undeleted in the future, but only an admin can do that.

Well, it was ON-Topic, it contained factual quotes.....yet it was deleted. I don't understand ?

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:30:25 AM

My thread in regards to "Pool Ops being the new Alt Coin Police" has been DELETED from the Pools Forum.

Censorship at it's finest.

I feel as though I am about to be banned....and I guess that makes sense, considering this forum allows scammers of all sorts to thrive in the Marketplace without consequence, yet a LEGITIMATE POST in regards to a malicious act of vandalism is deleted from view.

Par for the course, as it seems.
Just in case this is my last post, thanks for the memories.

I'm not sure why your post was deleted, I wasn't the mod to do it. If anything it should have just been moved. It may be undeleted in the future, but only an admin can do that.

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Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:23:01 AM

Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:21:04 AM

Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:10:22 AM

Me too.

The only problem with that is, you are another LukeJr-cronie-d-bag.....you can't benefit from both sides of the fence.

Actually, if you actually knew me, you'd know that I disagree with Luke about most things. Ask around, most people in #bitcoin-otc/#eligius will confirm it. Just because I happen to disagree with you doesn't mean I'm a Luke cronie. Calling me a d-bag is just juvenile.

You guys win anyways........

My thread in regards to "Pool Ops being the new Alt Coin Police" has been DELETED from the Pools Forum.

Censorship at it's finest.

I feel as though I am about to be banned....and I guess that makes sense, considering this forum allows scammers of all sorts to thrive in the Marketplace without consequence, yet a LEGITIMATE POST in regards to a malicious act of vandalism is deleted from view.

Par for the course, as it seems.
Just in case this is my last post, thanks for the memories.

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Quote from: bitlane on January 06, 2012, 11:21:04 AM

Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:10:22 AM

Me too.

The only problem with that is, you are another LukeJr-cronie-d-bag.....you can't benefit from both sides of the fence.

Actually, if you actually knew me, you'd know that I disagree with Luke about most things. Ask around, most people in #bitcoin-otc/#eligius will confirm it. Just because I happen to disagree with you doesn't mean I'm a Luke cronie. Calling me a d-bag is just juvenile.

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Quote from: imsaguy on January 06, 2012, 11:10:22 AM

Me too.

The only problem with that is, you are another LukeJr-cronie-d-bag.....you can't benefit from both sides of the fence.

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