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Topic: [OLD] Eligius: ASIC, no registration, no fee CPPSRB BTC + 105% PPS NMC, 877 # - page 163. (Read 458370 times)

legendary
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Keep it real
My thread in regards to "Pool Ops being the new Alt Coin Police" has been DELETED from the Pools Forum.

Censorship at it's finest.

I feel as though I am about to be banned....and I guess that makes sense, considering this forum allows scammers of all sorts to thrive in the Marketplace without consequence, yet a LEGITIMATE POST in regards to a malicious act of vandalism is deleted from view.

Par for the course, as it seems.
Just in case this is my last post, thanks for the memories.

I'm not sure why your post was deleted, I wasn't the mod to do it.  If anything it should have just been moved.  It may be undeleted in the future, but only an admin can do that.
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
Me too.
The only problem with that is, you are another LukeJr-cronie-d-bag.....you can't benefit from both sides of the fence.

Actually, if you actually knew me, you'd know that I disagree with Luke about most things.  Ask around, most people in #bitcoin-otc/#eligius will confirm it.  Just because I happen to disagree with you doesn't mean I'm a Luke cronie.  Calling me a d-bag is just juvenile.

You guys win anyways........

My thread in regards to "Pool Ops being the new Alt Coin Police" has been DELETED from the Pools Forum.

Censorship at it's finest.

I feel as though I am about to be banned....and I guess that makes sense, considering this forum allows scammers of all sorts to thrive in the Marketplace without consequence, yet a LEGITIMATE POST in regards to a malicious act of vandalism is deleted from view.

Par for the course, as it seems.
Just in case this is my last post, thanks for the memories.
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.
Me too.
The only problem with that is, you are another LukeJr-cronie-d-bag.....you can't benefit from both sides of the fence.

Actually, if you actually knew me, you'd know that I disagree with Luke about most things.  Ask around, most people in #bitcoin-otc/#eligius will confirm it.  Just because I happen to disagree with you doesn't mean I'm a Luke cronie.  Calling me a d-bag is just juvenile.
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
Me too.
The only problem with that is, you are another LukeJr-cronie-d-bag.....you can't benefit from both sides of the fence.
vip
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only real coins right now are BTC and NMC.

Seems to be so as Saint Luke has issued the edict..


Post a poll here in the forums that asks users to check which of the alt coins are 'legit' or whatever you want to call them.
hero member
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OK. I want to be paid 0.00006 per share then I will mine wherever you want Smiley
Payments will be made in CLC.

I don't take CLC as they are useless bitjunk just like LTC, SLC, TBX, GG, DVC, IXC, I0C, RUC

only real coins right now are BTC and NMC.
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.

I am going to begin offering to pay people out of my own pocket to mine on Deepbit....just to watch everyone squirm.

It still boggles my mind that you are defending Luke's actions.....WTF is wrong with you ? seriously ?

OK. I want to be paid 0.00006 per share then I will mine wherever you want Smiley

Me too.
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
OK. I want to be paid 0.00006 per share then I will mine wherever you want Smiley
Payments will be made in CLC.
hero member
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Remember that hypocrisy when someone does it to bitcoin.

This is one of the primary reasons I do not mine on DeepBit.

Right now, it seems highly unfeasible for a new/unknown 3rd party to come in overtake the whole of the bitcoin network.  It is still possible however, but I think the community would turn on more miners to prevent that from happening.

I am going to begin offering to pay people out of my own pocket to mine on Deepbit....just to watch everyone squirm.

It still boggles my mind that you are defending Luke's actions.....WTF is wrong with you ? seriously ?

OK. I want to be paid 0.00006 per share then I will mine wherever you want Smiley
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
Remember that hypocrisy when someone does it to bitcoin.

This is one of the primary reasons I do not mine on DeepBit.

Right now, it seems highly unfeasible for a new/unknown 3rd party to come in overtake the whole of the bitcoin network.  It is still possible however, but I think the community would turn on more miners to prevent that from happening.

I am going to begin offering to pay people out of my own pocket to mine on Deepbit....just to watch everyone squirm.

It still boggles my mind that you are defending Luke's actions.....WTF is wrong with you ? seriously ?
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.
Remember that hypocrisy when someone does it to bitcoin.

This is one of the primary reasons I do not mine on DeepBit.

Right now, it seems highly unfeasible for a new/unknown 3rd party to come in overtake the whole of the bitcoin network.  It is still possible however, but I think the community would turn on more miners to prevent that from happening.
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.
I find it hard to believe that if he honestly feels that he did nothing wrong, why did he remove all personal information from his personal websites including his family blog etc ?

If people were making threats against my actions, whether they were right or wrong, I would remove my personal information from my websites as well.  If you really feel he did something wrong/illegal, please call up law enforcement.

Here are the facts as I see them:

1) Mining for blocks isn't against the rules of bitcoin/its clones.
2) There are no rules regarding how much hash power you may contribute to any of the bitcoin/clone networks.
3) There are no rules mandating which transactions miners have to include in the blocks they mine.
4) As far as I know, he didn't reassign any coins that were mined before he started mining.
5) Luke never made fake transactions to take coins that weren't his.
6) Luke generated a bunch of blocks that became the longest chain and orphaned shorter chains.

Please let me know if any of those 6 facts are wrong.

Edit: and if those 6 facts are indeed correct, then how is what he did wrong?

1) correct
2) correct
3) correct
4) he is "reassigning" all new mined blocks by orphaning them and rejecting them from what I understand - this is mallicious and his intent even in a 51% scenario other blocks can go into the chain, with what he is doing now they can't
5) can't verify
6) See 4

It all boils down to the fact that these chains should live and die by their own merit not have asshats attacking them in childish vendetta wars.  So far none of the alts have truly "lived" very long as compared to bitcoin and are not getting adoption widely as of yet, but each one brings us closer to a better variant of bitcoin... maybe that's why Bitcoin zealots are getting afraid?

CoiledCoin as I see it was an effort to see OP_Eval in action but due to the misuse of eligius hash power it has been set back possibly months or more.

First, thank you for actually responding with something besides

Praise Jebus !

Now on to the discussion:

4) It was my understanding he was simply mining new blocks that built off his previous blocks.  Essentially there was a race condition.. chain1 which included blocks from eligius and chain2 which included blocks from everywhere else.  He/Eligius wasn't reassigning anything, the clients were simply using the chain selection algorithm that picks the longest/most difficult chain which happens to be chain1.  As a result, any work on chain2 keeps getting orphaned.  To combat it, more blocks would need to be found that build on chain2 to overcome chain1's length.

5) What I meant is that if you had sent coins to address1 in block10, eligius started mining in block11.  Essentially, all coin transactions were preserved, only the coin generation coins were lost because the original assigning blocks were orphaned.

6) I think I described this in 4.

It all boils down to the fact that these chains should live and die by their own merit not have asshats attacking them in childish vendetta wars.  So far none of the alts have truly "lived" very long as compared to bitcoin and are not getting adoption widely as of yet, but each one brings us closer to a better variant of bitcoin... maybe that's why Bitcoin zealots are getting afraid?

CoiledCoin as I see it was an effort to see OP_Eval in action but due to the misuse of eligius hash power it has been set back possibly months or more.

I appreciate the alt coins, they show reasons why bitcoin has done well and also illustrate where it can be improved.  I do not like them when all they do is change some vars, uncomment/comment out some code and release.  That isn't innovation. 

I realize that part of the point of coiledcoin was to use op_eval, but I also believe there are ongoing discussions to roll this out to testnet, which means setting up a brand new network isn't needed/warranted.
legendary
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BitMinter
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[10:31]	luke-jr	coblee: I didn't orphan anything mature
[10:31] coblee luke-jr: oh ok
[10:32] luke-jr I intentionally avoided anyone actually losing money
[10:32] coblee so just mining, not including transactions, and dumping?
[10:33] luke-jr coblee: actually, I decided it was better not to dump
[10:33] luke-jr coblee: I've also asked BTC-e to reverse the dumping I did earlier
[10:33] coblee how would they reverse the dumping?
[10:33] gmaxwell presumably the counterparties would rather have their btc back.
[10:34] gmaxwell So they could just undo the trades, luke didn't withdraw the bitcoin he got.
[10:34] luke-jr coblee: well, presuming by dumping, we mean "selling"
[10:34] TuxBlackEdo what happen?
[10:34] TuxBlackEdo and why are we still awake?
[10:35] coblee this is pretty funny
[10:35] luke-jr TuxBlackEdo: I effectively disabled the latest scamcoin
[10:35] gmaxwell TuxBlackEdo: a new altcoin showed up out of nowhere.. complete with an exchange and a bunch of eager ponzi pumpers.
[10:35] _W_ TuxBlackEdo, it's morning here
[10:35] gmaxwell TuxBlackEdo: and look took charge of the chain.
[10:35] TuxBlackEdo coilcoin, right?
[10:35] luke-jr Coiled*
[10:36] gmaxwell And some people who were planing to make money fast, are none too happy that they can't get any blocks or txn in, and that luke crashed the price on the market.
[10:36] luke-jr why is artforz helping them workaround it?
[10:36] gmaxwell Awesome. The race is on.
[10:36] luke-jr gmaxwell: well, he's just encouraging them to get BTCGuild onboard "next time" -.-
[10:36] luke-jr nothing fancy
[10:37] TuxBlackEdo instead of crashing the price of a alt chain we should try to somehow make the price of namecoin go through the roof
[10:37] gmaxwell oh. meh, well fine. Its true— but since the cost of setting up more merged chains is still high— good luck with that.
[10:37] coblee they are bashing you on btc-e luke-jr lol
[10:37] TuxBlackEdo that's pretty cool though, props luke-jr
[10:37] luke-jr TuxBlackEdo: pfft, you abuse namecoin anyway
[10:38] gmaxwell coblee: it's a little beyond bashing. At least earlier is was pretty scarry.
[10:38] TuxBlackEdo how
[10:38] luke-jr TuxBlackEdo: you just sell them
[10:38] TuxBlackEdo explain how i "abuse" namecoins?
[10:38] coblee scary how?
[10:38] TuxBlackEdo I never sold a namecoin
[10:38] TuxBlackEdo actually i do the opposite
[10:39] TuxBlackEdo while everyone was selling i was setting up big buy orders
[10:39] luke-jr TuxBlackEdo: then why do you want price up?
[10:39] TuxBlackEdo i own a ton of namecoins
[10:40] TuxBlackEdo ill move some namecoins right now to prove
[10:40] gmaxwell TuxBlackEdo: I'll give you an address to move them to.
[10:40] TuxBlackEdo hehe
[10:40] TuxBlackEdo ill move them to
[10:40] luke-jr lol
[10:41] TuxBlackEdo MxbmJyLDcqTmuzcQoGjPen4fW3AdkNLqBP
[10:41] TuxBlackEdo done
[10:42] TuxBlackEdo a412edf5e41529582f138cbc4bd3991203150fab4797fc472853dedd730b5ca9
[10:43] gmaxwell hahah
[10:43] gmaxwell castonbtce: so what can we say CLC stands for?
[10:43] gmaxwell castonbtce: crazy loser coin?
[10:43] gmaxwell k65onyx: catastrophic loss of coins?
[10:43] gmaxwell artforz: lol
[10:43] gmaxwell castonbtce: cunt luke coin
[10:44] luke-jr hmm
[10:44] luke-jr just in case I accidentally orphaned some non-generation, I just let them all through a few blocks ago
[10:44] luke-jr bet they don't notice <.<
[10:45] doublec I saw them
[10:45] gmaxwell well they were saying that you'd stopped earlier, so who knows.
[10:47] TuxBlackEdo how long is namecoin going to take to generate a block...
[10:48] JFK911 ;;bc,stats
[10:48] gribble Current Blocks: 160874 | Current Difficulty: 1159929.4972244 | Next Difficulty At Block: 161279 | Next Difficulty In: 405 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1221673.16179828 | Estimated Percent Change: 5.32305323054
[10:51] luke-jr reckon I should leave it on overnight?
[10:51] TuxBlackEdo luke-jr, http://explorer.dot-bit.org/a/MxbmJyLDcqTmuzcQoGjPen4fW3AdkNLqBP
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
I find it hard to believe that if he honestly feels that he did nothing wrong, why did he remove all personal information from his personal websites including his family blog etc ?

If people were making threats against my actions, whether they were right or wrong, I would remove my personal information from my websites as well.  If you really feel he did something wrong/illegal, please call up law enforcement.

Here are the facts as I see them:

1) Mining for blocks isn't against the rules of bitcoin/its clones.
2) There are no rules regarding how much hash power you may contribute to any of the bitcoin/clone networks.
3) There are no rules mandating which transactions miners have to include in the blocks they mine.
4) As far as I know, he didn't reassign any coins that were mined before he started mining.
5) Luke never made fake transactions to take coins that weren't his.
6) Luke generated a bunch of blocks that became the longest chain and orphaned shorter chains.

Please let me know if any of those 6 facts are wrong.

Edit: and if those 6 facts are indeed correct, then how is what he did wrong?

Praise Jebus !
vip
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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.
I find it hard to believe that if he honestly feels that he did nothing wrong, why did he remove all personal information from his personal websites including his family blog etc ?

If people were making threats against my actions, whether they were right or wrong, I would remove my personal information from my websites as well.  If you really feel he did something wrong/illegal, please call up law enforcement.

Here are the facts as I see them:

1) Mining for blocks isn't against the rules of bitcoin/its clones.
2) There are no rules regarding how much hash power you may contribute to any of the bitcoin/clone networks.
3) There are no rules mandating which transactions miners have to include in the blocks they mine.
4) As far as I know, he didn't reassign any coins that were mined before he started mining.
5) Luke never made fake transactions to take coins that weren't his.
6) Luke generated a bunch of blocks that became the longest chain and orphaned shorter chains.

Please let me know if any of those 6 facts are wrong.

Edit: and if those 6 facts are indeed correct, then how is what he did wrong?
sr. member
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I heart thebaron
Luke should clear his name before he does get attacked.  

There is no clearing of his name at this point. He provided all of the details himself, as if proud. Well, let him be proud.

I find it hard to believe that if he honestly feels that he did nothing wrong, why did he remove all personal information from his personal websites including his family blog etc ?

That's right. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I have been accused of citing libel, but when the proof had been provided by the accused, in the form of chat logs.....how is it libel ?

I have also been accused of being off topic with my accusations. Well, I am posting in THE POOL THREAD because the Pool as a whole was used to maliciously attack other's work. Looks 'On Topic' to me.

Anyone still mining here should give their heads a shake, especially if their comfort in mining in this pool was due to some sort of religious tie - as Luke has proven that means nothing and has clearly shown the limits (or lack there of) of his hypocracy, so others shouldn't feel obligated to stay because of that either.
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Buy this account on March-2019. New Owner here!!
legendary
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BitMinter
Jesus will watch you closely my friend !  Grin Lips sealed
hero member
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make better alt chains?
Not really practical unfortunately. Bitcoin itself is vulnerable to the exact same attack, you just need more hashpower, and all the solutions that anyone's been able to find just cause worse problems. (Yep, for the low low price of a few million dollars anyone that wants to can completely shut down Bitcoin and stop any transactions from being processed. Thankfully no-one seems to care that much.)

It's great to know that we have good people like Luke watching out for us.

I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the 20-odd blocks I lost that all had numerous confirmations from the network, yet turned invalid....and still continue, as I am keeping my miners up.

You're getting orphaned. Standard bitcoin chain decision code won't switch off your own chain and onto something else unless the something else is _longer_, being tied isn't enough.  If someone outpaces the reset of the network by enough of a factor it's unlikely anyone else will get any blocks in even without any modification to ignore third party blocks.
On the other hand, if he saw multiply confirmed blocks getting orphaned then it pretty much confirms that luke-jr was intentionally rewriting history. That's vanishingly unlikely to happen otherwise even at ludicrous block rates; it's the whole reason that Bitcoin and the other altcoins based on it work in the first place.
staff
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You should also lose your position as MOD, as you are completely unable to be objective and clearly and openly are siding with a scumbag, while making further excuses to aid in his cause.
And I'll second that one as well, didn't realize he was mod until you mentioned it but does seem like strange behaviour for one.

Just in case the people following along at home are getting confused — Apparently, because I have the mod bit set I'm not allowed to participate in a discussion and disagree with people.  At least according to the above.

Meanwhile, the kind folks here are creating all kinds of great reasons to moderate— including outright libelous stuff, and totally offtopic posts (e.g. posts calling for luke to be banned on bitcointalk in the thread about the pool, posts calling for my mod rights, etc).  I guess the idea behind attacking me here is to somehow attack everyone who could demand civil behavior in the hope of making yourself immune to enforcement.   It won't work, but feel free to try.

(and, I give explicit permission for any moderator cleaning up these threads to move or nuke my posts as required to shepard things things back on topic)
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