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Well, going in the both sides of liking it and not. Our government seems to be favoring some of these online casinos and they're not mostly crypto casinos. Those that have advertisements in billboards, they're not considered as POGO but then they don't ban them at all and they are not touching them putting some restrictions to what they should really do there. And from the POGO, they're now rebranding them into "online gaming license" for which are still gambling.

Imagine that? Brilliant… it’s like that’s exactly where they’re headed because they’re just not about to give up everything to the government. They’ve got the resources - they could even run their own casino if they wanted to. And these guys don’t need to be the official owners; they can just operate from behind the scenes using other people as the front.
Exactly.
The real ones that are running it aren't even named and they're protecting him/her. It's actually better if the government is the one running all of these operations and the entire thing goes to them with all of the profits and everything. But, they choose to tax these licensed gaming operators because they think it's hassle free and have more taxes to collect.
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Well, going in the both sides of liking it and not. Our government seems to be favoring some of these online casinos and they're not mostly crypto casinos. Those that have advertisements in billboards, they're not considered as POGO but then they don't ban them at all and they are not touching them putting some restrictions to what they should really do there. And from the POGO, they're now rebranding them into "online gaming license" for which are still gambling.

Imagine that? Brilliant… it’s like that’s exactly where they’re headed because they’re just not about to give up everything to the government. They’ve got the resources - they could even run their own casino if they wanted to. And these guys don’t need to be the official owners; they can just operate from behind the scenes using other people as the front.
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From time to time, we have politicians that come up with ideas and policies that effect some segments of the society in a severe ways, and this is one of such instances, because gambling is seen as an entertainment for many people and for that having gambling ban in any part of a country is like shouting your citizens out of some upportunity and privilege to get social entertainment, but then the government is against anything that make life easy for it citizens, so I won't be supprise if at the end of the day, they succeed in the banning of online gambling in that region because this is not the first time government will attack the freedom to f the people and this one ban won't also be the last we will see.
Well, going in the both sides of liking it and not. Our government seems to be favoring some of these online casinos and they're not mostly crypto casinos. Those that have advertisements in billboards, they're not considered as POGO but then they don't ban them at all and they are not touching them putting some restrictions to what they should really do there. And from the POGO, they're now rebranding them into "online gaming license" for which are still gambling.
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From time to time, we have politicians that come up with ideas and policies that effect some segments of the society in a severe ways, and this is one of such instances, because gambling is seen as an entertainment for many people and for that having gambling ban in any part of a country is like shouting your citizens out of some upportunity and privilege to get social entertainment, but then the government is against anything that make life easy for it citizens, so I won't be supprise if at the end of the day, they succeed in the banning of online gambling in that region because this is not the first time government will attack the freedom to f the people and this one ban won't also be the last we will see.
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The Philippines have been known to have illegal gambling though, even in the arrival of online gambling. I remember reading news about some illegal lottery in small towns and it was really huge for those criminals as it rake millions if not billions. What I'm trying to say is that maybe gambling is really deep rooted on the society, like cock fighting which is also famous too in the country. So it's going to be very hard to stop this kind of gambling as society had somewhat embraced it.

Now there’s both offline and online gambling that’s illegal. If the government can’t stop the type of gambling you mentioned, which is easier to catch, how can they control these online casinos that aren’t even based in the Philippines? But you can’t just call those online casinos illegal just because they don’t have a permit here. What’s illegal is accessing them. Casinos with a Curacao gaming license, for example, aren’t illegal themselves, but some of them still accept players from countries where gambling is banned.
Well, the government of a country can actually control any online Casino if they want and find a reason to, actually, it's very simple to do, all the government have to do is ban the casino in the country, and then reach out to the management of the casino and inform them that they don't want the citizens of the country access to the casino, else, the government can sue the casino, and trust me, no casino that want to run a good business for long wants to have any issue of any kind with the government of any country, so the casino will have no choice but to include that country in the list of their restricted countries.

I believe this is how some of this restricted countries get on that list in the first, and in such cases, this is how some gamblers who force their way into the Casino through the use of VPN get into trouble with the casino when the casino discovers they are playing from a country that is restricted.
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The Philippines have been known to have illegal gambling though, even in the arrival of online gambling. I remember reading news about some illegal lottery in small towns and it was really huge for those criminals as it rake millions if not billions. What I'm trying to say is that maybe gambling is really deep rooted on the society, like cock fighting which is also famous too in the country. So it's going to be very hard to stop this kind of gambling as society had somewhat embraced it.

Now there’s both offline and online gambling that’s illegal. If the government can’t stop the type of gambling you mentioned, which is easier to catch, how can they control these online casinos that aren’t even based in the Philippines? But you can’t just call those online casinos illegal just because they don’t have a permit here. What’s illegal is accessing them. Casinos with a Curacao gaming license, for example, aren’t illegal themselves, but some of them still accept players from countries where gambling is banned.
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But all the same, even if gambling should be banned in the whole of my country, trust me that alot of people, if not all will move into online gambling,, as I myself can't even remember when last I played on a physical casino last on the past.

POGO is all about online gambling. They have casinos inside their buildings, but it’s mostly for their online bettors, like those live casinos you see on many gambling sites. The issue with banning POGO isn’t really about gambling itself, it’s about the crimes hidden within their business. If they were sticking to their license, we wouldn’t even be talking about banning them. The government was fine with the taxes they were getting as long as people were safe.

And that's where regulation comes in, if they were able to operate in the country, then there could be some law that they have to follow or police implementing it. The problem is none, and it looks like the Philippine government doesn't know about it until there was a hearing on a certain mayor of a town that her name was involved and so they go on the rabbit hole and found all about it.

But if we’re being real, in the Philippines or anywhere, getting into online gambling isn’t hard at all. There are plenty of ways to do it, and some casinos don’t even enforce their own rules strictly. So, even if a government bans gambling, it’s only within their borders, and other casinos will just benefit from people still finding ways to gamble.

The Philippines have been known to have illegal gambling though, even in the arrival of online gambling. I remember reading news about some illegal lottery in small towns and it was really huge for those criminals as it rake millions if not billions. What I'm trying to say is that maybe gambling is really deep rooted on the society, like cock fighting which is also famous too in the country. So it's going to be very hard to stop this kind of gambling as society had somewhat embraced it.
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But all the same, even if gambling should be banned in the whole of my country, trust me that alot of people, if not all will move into online gambling,, as I myself can't even remember when last I played on a physical casino last on the past.

POGO is all about online gambling. They have casinos inside their buildings, but it’s mostly for their online bettors, like those live casinos you see on many gambling sites. The issue with banning POGO isn’t really about gambling itself, it’s about the crimes hidden within their business. If they were sticking to their license, we wouldn’t even be talking about banning them. The government was fine with the taxes they were getting as long as people were safe.

But if we’re being real, in the Philippines or anywhere, getting into online gambling isn’t hard at all. There are plenty of ways to do it, and some casinos don’t even enforce their own rules strictly. So, even if a government bans gambling, it’s only within their borders, and other casinos will just benefit from people still finding ways to gamble.
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Well, even with a ban, illegal casinos are likely to continue to operate
It says all sorts of online gambling, so this includes legal casinos and if they wish to continue, that is how they became illegal but I'm not sure about it and if its possible, then I think only few are only going to do that. For those who are already illegal even before, they will always have the guts to do the wrong things.
Before a ban on casinos, theres always some illegal casino operating, and when a ban if effected as you said, but casinos that were illegal and those that are legal have fallen into the same category, which simply means that both have become illegal.

But all the same, even if gambling should be banned in the whole of my country, trust me that alot of people, if not all will move into online gambling,, as I myself can't even remember when last I played on a physical casino last on the past.
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[......]but if there are corrupt official and then PAGCOR doesn't want it to be totally eliminated because of the huge tax, then it will just continue to another shape, in my opinion.

Don’t call it huge tax, call it a huge grease money lol... if it were tax, then it would be legal. How can they tax them when the government has already banned them? Those POGO buildings in different cities or provinces might not be used anymore; they'll probably move back to operating from apartments or condos to keep things low-key.

Can the government take over the buildings though? What will happened to them? The Philippine government should know how to take it over and maybe make it usable for their population like what you said, build it as condoms so that they can get the money from his violent crime groups and make the Filipino used it to their advantage. As for the tax, if there are legal then definitely that is a good tax that the gaming corporation of the Philippines.

The problem is that this POGO operated illegally and that they were able to sustain it's run for the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken with the protection of corrupt officials. And now that they have been exposed, not just to ban POGO, but to prosecute those individuals and put them in jail.

Good in terms of converting those assets though not sure if how and what government institution that will sequester those assets, after banning and proving those illegal facilatations it's now time for the government to take actions and bring those corrupt officials who manage to earn from those illegal gambling bussinesses that facilatate inside our country and manage to build those buildings where they enjoyed all the money that gamblers brings.

I think they can in their power to convert this POGO to something else, the the people can used, after-all they are government and they can turn that assets in some useful ways. I read that some of those POGO was once used as a tourist spot or something that people visited in Cavite before.

Maybe they can turn it around like it was before when it was bought by the Chinese. However, it seems that it's going to be very hard to do as there are some individuals who still benefited from it despite what the President said, total ban by December this year.
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I think we will see the results of this law in a year or two at the earliest, but I don't think it will have the effect they plan to have. In my opinion, crimes do not occur because of gambling, but because of the fact that most of the population does not have the opportunity to work and receive decent wages. At least it seems to me that a greater effect could be achieved by increasing the sentences for criminals. Perhaps the death penalty should be brought back if the crime rate in the Philippines has increased so much.
Gambling is still addicting and addicting activities can usually cause a crime, so gambling is still one of it. Gambling is also popular now, so maybe the crime rate has increased dramatically because of it. Now if they ban gambling, that could also lessen a good chunk of crime rates. Lack of work and decent wages are also a long-time problem of the people/society but I think it is also their fault on why they experienced it.

If only they study hard and work hard to achieve their passion, I'm sure they will surely/also get it. Increasing the sentence for a criminal is a good suggestion and this is also another problem that we are facing in fact.

I mean criminals can usually get out easily, so there is a tendency that they will just repeat the same shit again and then many are going to get encouraged to do a crime because of it. We also need more fairness on the law, so that we won't punish the wrong people or those who are poor and can't defend their selves properly in the court. So death penalty may be a bad idea for now, not until what I suggested there is going to be done.

Well, even with a ban, illegal casinos are likely to continue to operate
It says all sorts of online gambling, so this includes legal casinos and if they wish to continue, that is how they became illegal but I'm not sure about it and if its possible, then I think only few are only going to do that. For those who are already illegal even before, they will always have the guts to do the wrong things.
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Also even if they stop those POGO's the problem related to gambling they foresee will continue since they still allowed many gambling sites to operate and its like those continue to exist pay larger bribes that's why they are not included to be eliminated on what current happening in POGO's.
The problem wasn’t really about gambling itself. POGOs are allowed to operate here in the Philippines as long as they hire locals, but they don’t let our people gamble, they target people in China, where gambling is illegal. POGOs got attention because of reports of scamming, like crypto investment scams, which are hot on the AMLC’s watchlist. If they weren’t linked to scams, I think POGOs would still be running, and the Philippines would still be getting taxes from them.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

It’s not as noticeable because most of the victims are Chinese, but the real problem is the bad image it gives the Philippines. It looks like we’re unable to stop these activities since the servers are here.

Do you believe that all pogos are really extinct in the Philippines? Because of the news I came across after the news that even became buzzing on social media and mainstream media that there is still a Pogo that exists in part of Cavite.

I don't know whether to laugh or be annoyed, because they were able to raid the area of ​​Bamban Tarlac where the area of ​​Pogo is 10 hectares while the pogo in Cavite is not as big compared to the one they raided in Bamban Tarlac, the answer is yes The chief head of those who raided said it was necessary for them to wait for the answer to the permit they sent to let them inspect. Doesn't it sound silly? it shows that they are selective.

Hahaha, it's an executive order directly from the President there's no need for any permits to raid if they think that there's and existing Pogo that still operating, and adding to this comedy they can trace small operation from different exclusive subdivision which they got from their intel without any permits, but those still operating from Cavite they need to ask permission?

Something that will leave you a doubt, might be possible that there's someone who's powerful than the President hahaha...
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

It’s not as noticeable because most of the victims are Chinese, but the real problem is the bad image it gives the Philippines. It looks like we’re unable to stop these activities since the servers are here.

Do you believe that all pogos are really extinct in the Philippines? Because of the news I came across after the news that even became buzzing on social media and mainstream media that there is still a Pogo that exists in part of Cavite.

I don't know whether to laugh or be annoyed, because they were able to raid the area of ​​Bamban Tarlac where the area of ​​Pogo is 10 hectares while the pogo in Cavite is not as big compared to the one they raided in Bamban Tarlac, the answer is yes The chief head of those who raided said it was necessary for them to wait for the answer to the permit they sent to let them inspect. Doesn't it sound silly? it shows that they are selective.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

I'm not really sure if the Marcos is directly getting money from this illegal gambling, but there could be very close men to him that might have somewhat in connivance with this criminal groups and so they remain untouchable for the time being. Unfortunately, this has been the case for us for many years now. Who is in power, they have all the money.

Just like what is happening as well on the war on drugs by the previous government. Now the current government is after those people including the former president and some of his men. Police, informants, everyone. So it's like a feeling of getting back on them. Just sad to see the Philippines turning to be a hub for gambling and even if the President that he is going to ban it before the end of the year, there might still some who will continue as they have "grease" money to some police and government officials.

Provably no and its dumb decision to get money directly from POGO so there's should be someone do the job for them so that there schemes will not be notice easily. Also nothing good to expect since its corruption is so rampant in Philippines. I feel bad to that country now since its like there's no good development happen under the term of new President. Its like he don't know how to take action regarding on some situation and just rely on what other people says.

Also even if they stop those POGO's the problem related to gambling they foresee will continue since they still allowed many gambling sites to operate and its like those continue to exist pay larger bribes that's why they are not included to be eliminated on what current happening in POGO's.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

I'm not really sure if the Marcos is directly getting money from this illegal gambling, but there could be very close men to him that might have somewhat in connivance with this criminal groups and so they remain untouchable for the time being. Unfortunately, this has been the case for us for many years now. Who is in power, they have all the money.

Just like what is happening as well on the war on drugs by the previous government. Now the current government is after those people including the former president and some of his men. Police, informants, everyone. So it's like a feeling of getting back on them. Just sad to see the Philippines turning to be a hub for gambling and even if the President that he is going to ban it before the end of the year, there might still some who will continue as they have "grease" money to some police and government officials.
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The sad reality in our world is that many business are used as a front to hide what is really going on behind the scenes. I wish it was not so & that I didn't stumble upon this thread because these types of situations always make me sad hearing them. Human trafficking is the most evil and vile thing anyone or anything can do & there is a special place in hell where these perpetrators will be tormented for eternity. I don't blame the Philippino senator one bit for his decision on this. POGO is a no go to him it sure seems.

There's no need to quote the whole post in the OP>

It all starts with the government. The people in charge are elected to enforce the law and protect citizens, ensuring they enjoy the benefits of the taxes they pay. Unfortunately, these POGO operators know exactly where to set up shop, and since we can’t deny that the Philippines is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, bribing the government becomes easy. So, no matter what the president says, without proper enforcement, the problem will continue. POGO might stop officially, but its operations won’t - sadly, that’s the reality.
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This is very bad for the people who love online gambling in the Philippines.  A senator of the Philippines proposes a Bill to ban all Philippine Offshore Gaming Operator (POGO) and all kinds of Online Gambling.  Any individual involved  will be fined  up to Php500k(US$8,536) or imprisoned for up to six months. More story on the link below:

Philippines senator pushes for banning POGOs, all forms of online gambling




The proposed bill is due to the recent illegal POGO raids where human trafficking, murder, and money laundering were uncovered. Due to this, one of the Philippine senators believes that the best move is to ban POGOs and online gambling all in all and punish any person who is involved in online gambling activity if the bill is approved.

In my personal view, I do not think there is a need to ban POGO's and online gambling.  This is not the fault of a regular individual but the institution behind the gambling regulatory board.  Instead of banning and penalizing people who are engaged in gambling activities, the bill should strengthen the regulation and purge the institution of any corrupt official that allows these illegal activities to proliferate.  He should implement a bill that will severely punish any government official that engage in illegal gambling activities. Banning POGOs and online gambling is like taking the easiest way out and depriving the Philippine government of the possible revenue that can be generated from these ventures and as if this kind of bill will prevent illegal gambling from existing in a country. I hope this kind of bill won't progress instead take an alternative implementation of cleansing the gambling regulatory board of any corrupt official and holding them accountable for their wicked crimes.

What about you do you think banning offshore gambling operators and online gambling will solve the spread of illegal gambling activities in a country?


The sad reality in our world is that many business are used as a front to hide what is really going on behind the scenes. I wish it was not so & that I didn't stumble upon this thread because these types of situations always make me sad hearing them. Human trafficking is the most evil and vile thing anyone or anything can do & there is a special place in hell where these perpetrators will be tormented for eternity. I don't blame the Philippino senator one bit for his decision on this. POGO is a no go to him it sure seems.
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ANd for sure most of those who continue facilatating got someone inside law enforcers, most are being protected by known officials and police generals, the very reason why even there's an order to shutdown those kinds of illegal activities inside the country they still manage to continue business and still making money from those illegal activities that they are able to facilatate, with people behind the business still got access with corrupt officials there's always a way for them to continue.
That’s nothing new in the Philippines, and I’m sure even the president knows about it since he’s the commander-in-chief. POGOs are operating openly, and the government probably has all the intel on their locations. But if they’re being protected and the president is receiving a lot of money from them, then nothing will change.

It’s not as noticeable because most of the victims are Chinese, but the real problem is the bad image it gives the Philippines. It looks like we’re unable to stop these activities since the servers are here.

Hahahaha but it's true seems that the server itself is just around the corner, those illegal business owners are just smiling as they can just use their money to manipulate, we've seen wasted time for those corrupt officials who are trying to work with the implementation of this banning of Pogos operation but it's just for the sake of exposures of their names as election is nearing.

Like what you mentioned it's not impossible that those Pogo's that still operating there's intel on it but because of those corrupt protectors they just simply business as usual.
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The irony is, people who're just a citizen, not a police or someone who work for government, can expose the gambling operators and after they report it to the authority, the authority didn't choose to doing nothing. They've working together with the gambling operators, they will remind the gambling operators to move everything they have to other place and hen the police will visit that place just to give a proof if they found nothing there.

It’s just like in the movies--anyone who reports these illegal activities is putting their life at risk, especially since authorities are involved. To stay safe, it might be best to ignore it and let the government handle it. But since they haven’t been able to, we can only hope that the next president will tackle the issue. This is why it’s so important to vote wisely. I once watched a video that explained the difference between a regular thief and a politician thief: a regular thief chooses who to rob, but with a politician thief, we’re the ones choosing who will rob us.  Grin
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