[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024 - page 16.

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Usyk had 3 belts compared to Fury's 1 but he walked first and was also introduced first. But maybe they're one of Fury's dozens of demands just to make this undisputed fight.

I do not think it was even a matter of demands. Fury held the WBC belt which historically is the belt that has the most value and historical association. It was never going to be debatable as to which boxer would walk in to the ring second.

It is a matter of demands. Normally when 2 champs fight each other, the champion who enters the ring first will be the one introduced last.

All belts, the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO are all equal. Historically, it's the WBA because it's the first. The WBC is probably the most popular because the Sulaimans were corrupt and provide special rankings and treatments to popular fighters for monetary purposes. The biggest name and cashcow in the sport at the moment, Canelo Alvarez is the perfect example. Not getting stripped of his WBC belt even if he's not fighting his mando.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on May 19, 2024, 05:13:19 PM

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I'm not sure that Fury really wants this fight, maybe in words he is brave (as it always was, his mouth produced a lot of loud words) but in deeds he is a coward. After Usyk destroyed Fury's claim to legacy by making him a mere decoration, what's the point of him fighting again? I think he will be content with bumfights and by the way he is quite up to their level, he is finished.
I wonder what Usik himself will do next, he has completed boxing completely in two weight categories. Maybe it's worth leaving undefeated, maybe it's worth just making money and losing sooner or later... it doesn't matter since he's already soared to maximum heights.

I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

I think Fury will prefer bumfights because it’s easy money and for the sake of the show (or rather its continuation), the judges can help him even if he loses the fight (with fair judging).
Fury is a shameful coward, a nandrolone lover who ran from Klitschko, then ran from Usik, but by some miracle the unification fight still took place and everyone saw that Fury was just a sack.
No need to talk about a split decision and a close fight, just watch it again (I did that, for example) Wink

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Fury has been a polarizing and controversial figure. People would have looked for reasons to discredit him regardless of the outcome. I don’t really get it, it’s not like he is Jake Paul. I’ve seen some opinions online from people saying he is a bum who has never beaten any good fighters and that he was easily defeated by an MMA fighter. Paradoxically, most of these people are now saying that Usyk is the #1 fighter in the world after winning against an "overrated bum" like Fury.

Usyk is indeed a great fighter, but whether people want to admit it or not, Fury is also great. Up until this loss, I would’ve considered him the best heavyweight in the post-Klitschko era. Winning his titles against a legend like Klitschko in his adopted home country of Germany, and then being the first to beat a fearsome killer like Wilder are not accomplishments that can easily be ignored.

I don't know. Fury isn't as graceful in accepting defeat actually it's like taking out the glory from Usyk by saying he thought he was winning that's why in the last 2 rounds he was just running around. Duh? If it weren't for the referee he would have been crawling like Haney, I doubt he would even get up as he isn't raising his hands anymore at that 9th round.

Lol, he said that he was winning and didn't fight much on the last two rounds AFTER he got a knockdown? I mean technically he wasn't down, but the count was up so that was considered as knockdown, so he assumed that after that in the 9th round, he assumed that he was doing fine? Lol, wonder what made him think that, at the very least his corner should have let him know that he was losing.

The fact that he lost just by a small margin is the real scandal, dude lost by a huge margin, everyone who watched the fight knew that after the first few rounds, he was nowhere to be found and Usyk really gave him the business, dude fought all 12 rounds and that is why he won the fight. They talked about October rematch during the end, I really hope that happens again.

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Quote from: bakasabo on May 20, 2024, 05:08:28 AM

From your point of view, what kind of fight it was? Thus that this fight is split and not majority, means one judge saw Fury winning this fight. Which rounds Fury has won do you think? As I dont think that rematch is necessary it this case. Even if they went close, round 9 showed who is better. As well as Alexander Usyk has obtain all the belts. He had all belts in cruiserweight, now had them in heavyweights. For him its looks like he has achieved everything in boxing so far, and maybe it is time to think about retirement.

The sixth round was difficult for Usyk, but giving the victory to a fighter just because of one round? Usyk achieved his goal, this is a great achievement, but he is still too young to think about retiring from his career. Besides, a rematch is a common thing, and it seems to me that Usyk would not mind repeating this fight again, given that he was better throughout almost the entire fight. For Fury, this is the first defeat, it can change his self-confidence, it’s not for nothing that he was afraid to look Usyk in the eyes. Usik also pointed out to the referee a couple of times that Fury struck at the back of the head, but this is his method, he always liked to act with some tricks, and by the way, he once refused Klitschko a rematch.

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But if we compare Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury vs Alexander Usyk, we would get two different boxers. In a fight against Usyk we did not get lazy Fury. Just look on his form, how slim (if it is right to say that about him) he was. This is achieved through hours and hours of training. In my opinion, it is not that Tyson Fury was lazy, it is Usyk who was better than him. But I can accept the fact that Fury is just old for boxing. Look at his career in past and now. He was furious, and now in two last fights he was knocked downed, and in the second time saved by referee.

The split decision tells us what kind of fight it was and surely we want to see another re-match if it's possible because it was the kind of Heavyweight fight we really want to see. They reached the last rounds which often Fury has the advantage but the consistent punches from Usyk made him more furious and gave him enough points to win that fight. Well, Fury is getting mold but he was able to counter effectively but not as good as he was before because those heavy punches when landed to his opponent's face back then, knocked them out cold like how Wilder was.

From your point of view, what kind of fight it was? Thus that this fight is split and not majority, means one judge saw Fury winning this fight. Which rounds Fury has won do you think? As I dont think that rematch is necessary it this case. Even if they went close, round 9 showed who is better. As well as Alexander Usyk has obtain all the belts. He had all belts in cruiserweight, now had them in heavyweights. For him its looks like he has achieved everything in boxing so far, and maybe it is time to think about retirement.

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Quote from: bakasabo on May 20, 2024, 03:36:41 AM

But if we compare Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury vs Alexander Usyk, we would get two different boxers. In a fight against Usyk we did not get lazy Fury. Just look on his form, how slim (if it is right to say that about him) he was. This is achieved through hours and hours of training. In my opinion, it is not that Tyson Fury was lazy, it is Usyk who was better than him. But I can accept the fact that Fury is just old for boxing. Look at his career in past and now. He was furious, and now in two last fights he was knocked downed, and in the second time saved by referee.

The split decision tells us what kind of fight it was and surely we want to see another re-match if it's possible because it was the kind of Heavyweight fight we really want to see. They reached the last rounds which often Fury has the advantage but the consistent punches from Usyk made him more furious and gave him enough points to win that fight. Well, Fury is getting mold but he was able to counter effectively but not as good as he was before because those heavy punches when landed to his opponent's face back then, knocked them out cold like how Wilder was.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on May 20, 2024, 02:41:09 AM

My opinion was the same as most of the voters here, but I guess Fury was just too lazy. He has everything: technique, reach, height, and weight, but if he's too lazy to train, then he has nothing. The signs were there, starting with his sluggish performance against Ngannou when he could have easily beaten him if he had trained well. Instead, he was in trouble! If and only if Fury isn't injured and spends the rest of the months training like hell, then he still has a chance to get his revenge.

But if we compare Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou and Tyson Fury vs Alexander Usyk, we would get two different boxers. In a fight against Usyk we did not get lazy Fury. Just look on his form, how slim (if it is right to say that about him) he was. This is achieved through hours and hours of training. In my opinion, it is not that Tyson Fury was lazy, it is Usyk who was better than him. But I can accept the fact that Fury is just old for boxing. Look at his career in past and now. He was furious, and now in two last fights he was knocked downed, and in the second time saved by referee.

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My opinion was the same as most of the voters here, but I guess Fury was just too lazy. He has everything: technique, reach, height, and weight, but if he's too lazy to train, then he has nothing. The signs were there, starting with his sluggish performance against Ngannou when he could have easily beaten him if he had trained well. Instead, he was in trouble! If and only if Fury isn't injured and spends the rest of the months training like hell, then he still has a chance to get his revenge.

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I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

Fury has been a polarizing and controversial figure. People would have looked for reasons to discredit him regardless of the outcome. I don’t really get it, it’s not like he is Jake Paul. I’ve seen some opinions online from people saying he is a bum who has never beaten any good fighters and that he was easily defeated by an MMA fighter. Paradoxically, most of these people are now saying that Usyk is the #1 fighter in the world after winning against an "overrated bum" like Fury.

Usyk is indeed a great fighter, but whether people want to admit it or not, Fury is also great. Up until this loss, I would’ve considered him the best heavyweight in the post-Klitschko era. Winning his titles against a legend like Klitschko in his adopted home country of Germany, and then being the first to beat a fearsome killer like Wilder are not accomplishments that can easily be ignored.

I don't know. Fury isn't as graceful in accepting defeat actually it's like taking out the glory from Usyk by saying he thought he was winning that's why in the last 2 rounds he was just running around. Duh? If it weren't for the referee he would have been crawling like Haney, I doubt he would even get up as he isn't raising his hands anymore at that 9th round.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on May 19, 2024, 05:13:19 PM

I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

Fury has been a polarizing and controversial figure. People would have looked for reasons to discredit him regardless of the outcome. I don’t really get it, it’s not like he is Jake Paul. I’ve seen some opinions online from people saying he is a bum who has never beaten any good fighters and that he was easily defeated by an MMA fighter. Paradoxically, most of these people are now saying that Usyk is the #1 fighter in the world after winning against an "overrated bum" like Fury.

Usyk is indeed a great fighter, but whether people want to admit it or not, Fury is also great. Up until this loss, I would’ve considered him the best heavyweight in the post-Klitschko era. Winning his titles against a legend like Klitschko in his adopted home country of Germany, and then being the first to beat a fearsome killer like Wilder are not accomplishments that can easily be ignored.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 19, 2024, 05:32:08 PM

And with that, there is a rematch, so another big money fight, but Fury took damage here so not sure how he will get back from this kind of psychological beating from Usyk. And yeah, we all know what he doesn't want to look at Usyk's eye because he is afraid and be intimidate by that scary looks.

I believe it's advised for fighters to have 6-12 month break after a knockout, but Fury was not KO'd cold (i.e. his body did not shut down) so I don't think he would need that long to recover. Plus, neither of them is getting any younger so they cannot afford to sit idle for too long, so the proposed date of rematch for October sounds reasonable.

Quote from: Bananington on May 19, 2024, 05:43:31 PM

If Fury does not win the rematch, his career would have ended very badly already, and it would mean Usyk is really the undisputed. (...)

Fury mentioned a few times before that he struggled to find motivation for regular fights that didn't have much on the line. So I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to retire if he were to fail the rematch. Or maybe he would just take Joshua for his final goodbye fight, as there was a lot of beef and some unsettled score between those two.
But whether or not his career would be over, it'll be entirely up to him. His name will still be so big that he wouldn't be complaining about the lack of options (for less money of course).

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 19, 2024, 05:32:08 PM

And with that, there is a rematch, so another big money fight, but Fury took damage here so not sure how he will get back from this kind of psychological beating from Usyk. And yeah, we all know what he doesn't want to look at Usyk's eye because he is afraid and be intimidate by that scary looks.

If Fury does not win the rematch, his career would have ended very badly already, and it would mean Usyk is really the undisputed. Usyk does not need to relent in training and practice because fury will train even more with this loss in the fight round. There are many errors in the game for Fury and his team to fix before the next fight, there are many lesson that Usyk and his team need to perfect if they will maintain their competitive edge in the next fight. But until that challenge, big respect to Usyk in the fight, it is never easy to go against a fighter who has weight and height advantage over you.

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I don't know if there's any official boxing rule saying that a boxer needs to drop to the ground (or kneel etc) before he can be considered knocked down and the counting can begin, but if it's up for the referee to decide, then I see no controversy re the round 9 situation.
Tyson was in trouble but he was conscious, so stopping the fight would be completely wrong, and I don't think Fury would necessarily be KO'd cold if the referee didn't step in. Anything could've happened, but, to me, it looked like Fury was about to drop on his knee before he noticed the ref got between himself and Usyk.
This doesn't matter though, as Usyk has still won, and during the post-fight interview, he wasn't bothered by the situation at all.
I haven't seen the full fight yet, only the extensive highlights, but think Usyk won fair and square. The rematch should be really exciting.

Well. It's already over and Usyk won. But there will be lots of talk about it. Because it is just unusual to count 10 when there is no knockdown. It may not matter to us but for some boxers, they keep that in mind. And they wouldn't be talking about a rematch if Fury dropped cold and there is no way the score would look like it's a very close fight.

I actually thought the ref stepped in to stop the fight and it's a TKO. lol

It's obvious that the referee didn't know what to do with it, maybe he was thinking of stopping that fight, but then decided for a standing 10 count like in the amateurs, LOL. But it obvious that Uysk won, I do agree, what the hell is the other judges winning and giving it to Fury?

And with that, there is a rematch, so another big money fight, but Fury took damage here so not sure how he will get back from this kind of psychological beating from Usyk. And yeah, we all know what he doesn't want to look at Usyk's eye because he is afraid and be intimidate by that scary looks.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 19, 2024, 04:15:02 PM

I'm not sure that Fury really wants this fight, maybe in words he is brave (as it always was, his mouth produced a lot of loud words) but in deeds he is a coward. After Usyk destroyed Fury's claim to legacy by making him a mere decoration, what's the point of him fighting again? I think he will be content with bumfights and by the way he is quite up to their level, he is finished.
I wonder what Usik himself will do next, he has completed boxing completely in two weight categories. Maybe it's worth leaving undefeated, maybe it's worth just making money and losing sooner or later... it doesn't matter since he's already soared to maximum heights.

I see you're not a Fury fan to the point that you're being unreasonable in your criticism.
Why would he be content in fighting bums? Not for the glory/legacy, that's for sure, so for money? A rematch with Usyk would yield them much more than a dozen bum fights.

He lost to Usyk in a close fight by split decision while dealing more physical damage to Usyk than the other way around. Of course he's not without a chance in a rematch, so why would he be afraid of it?

Plus, they had a rematch clause in the contract, both confirmed they want it to happen, and it's tentatively scheduled for 12th October, so this is happening unless one of them backs out of it (there could be some penalties involved though).

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Quote from: Quidat on May 19, 2024, 04:39:07 PM

~ i dont know if its just me that Fury looks too lousy or just that because of his non good looking physique? lol

100%! When I watched the fight for the second time today (I downloaded the entire fight from a torrent lol to check some points) I also noticed this. Fury's sides, which hang like a random fat man's, look super unaesthetic and actually correspond to his physical form - he could not be active for more than 15 seconds, it seemed to me. He reminded me of Valuev who, after a certain stage of the fight, could hardly “wear” his hands Grin

As for mental strength, it seemed to me that Fury understood everything already in the first round, then he flaunted and even seemed to level the fight by winning several rounds, but Usik, as always, decided everything in his favor.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on May 19, 2024, 05:05:33 AM

Wtf happened in round 9 ? Why on earth that ref jumped between them and stop Usyk from TKOing Fury? I have noticed several time, that ref wanted to jump between them when Usyk was pushing forward and was about to make a series of punches. That ref interfered more than did something useful.

In conclusion - Fury went with one of his best forms, but still lose. I remember they have a rematch, then during it Usyk would TKO Fury for sure. First loss for Fury, knowing his mental problems, it definitely going to leave a mark and be advantage for Usyk in their next fight.

I don't know what to say about what happened in the ninth round. Fury did not collapse, but if the referee had not intervened, Usyk would have TKOed him. He walked around the ring and shook with the left pole shots he hit. There is a weight difference between them. Usyk destroyed him, but he showed that he is the best. There is another possibility for Fury, they made a contract for a rematch, so even if we consider Fury at his strongest, Usyk looks much better, I don't know, I think Usyk finished the event in this match, of course the rematch will be very entertaining.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 19, 2024, 04:15:02 PM

Quote from: Synchronice on May 19, 2024, 03:51:05 PM

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Tyson Fury confirmed that he wants a rematch and I also believe that rematch will happen, it gives Fury a chance to beat the Usyk and at the same time it will generate a good amount of money. On top of that, if Usyk wins again, that will be a huge achievement for him.

I'm not sure that Fury really wants this fight, maybe in words he is brave (as it always was, his mouth produced a lot of loud words) but in deeds he is a coward. After Usyk destroyed Fury's claim to legacy by making him a mere decoration, what's the point of him fighting again? I think he will be content with bumfights and by the way he is quite up to their level, he is finished.
I wonder what Usik himself will do next, he has completed boxing completely in two weight categories. Maybe it's worth leaving undefeated, maybe it's worth just making money and losing sooner or later... it doesn't matter since he's already soared to maximum heights.

We do know that as long that there would really be some huge money involved then even if this possible rematch is unlikely to happen but it would really be arranged up accordingly
but of course it would really be that basing up on the demand of the fans or the public because this is where money do comes from. Usyk did fought well and you could really be able to see
those solid punches on which making that Fury look like a drunkard on that 9th round. Its true that it is really that looks like a bit of save. Usyk deserve that and now being a unified champion
on which im already anticipating that Fury would be defeated on this fight, i dont know if its just me that Fury looks too lousy or just that because of his non good looking physique? lol

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Quote from: Synchronice on May 19, 2024, 03:51:05 PM

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Tyson Fury confirmed that he wants a rematch and I also believe that rematch will happen, it gives Fury a chance to beat the Usyk and at the same time it will generate a good amount of money. On top of that, if Usyk wins again, that will be a huge achievement for him.

I'm not sure that Fury really wants this fight, maybe in words he is brave (as it always was, his mouth produced a lot of loud words) but in deeds he is a coward. After Usyk destroyed Fury's claim to legacy by making him a mere decoration, what's the point of him fighting again? I think he will be content with bumfights and by the way he is quite up to their level, he is finished.
I wonder what Usik himself will do next, he has completed boxing completely in two weight categories. Maybe it's worth leaving undefeated, maybe it's worth just making money and losing sooner or later... it doesn't matter since he's already soared to maximum heights.

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Usyk deserved to win, his performance was amazing! Very well done, congrats Usyk! By the way, it would be good if Fury wasn't complaining about how everyone's favorite was Usyk because Ukraine is in war, bla, bla, bla. You are a man, 35 years old, take a lose like a man, stand up and keep going!

Quote from: hilariousetc on May 18, 2024, 06:58:40 PM

I think when Wilder knocked him down was a worse knockdown. Fury was spark out for a few seconds but came back from the dead.

That is one of my favorite fight. Who could imagine that Fury would stand up and beat Wilder?

Quote from: FanEagle on May 19, 2024, 02:11:03 PM

Usyk deserved this, and I am sure that they are going to do a rematch for the title, they will not have to wait for that long neither, they will fight like this fall or something. I Christmas fight would have been perfect too, while billions are at home, they could just sit and watch, or whenever it happens, it is going to be a great fight to watch without a doubt, and Fury will try more I am sure.

Tyson Fury confirmed that he wants a rematch and I also believe that rematch will happen, it gives Fury a chance to beat the Usyk and at the same time it will generate a good amount of money. On top of that, if Usyk wins again, that will be a huge achievement for him.

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I feel like everyone already said it, but that 9th round referee save was clear indicator that Usyk was the winner, and he did very well. I remember the days when boxers had their peak at around 28-30 years old, being 37 years old and still fighting at the top of your game is amazing, I remember 45 year old Foreman fighting was a big deal, although he won too.

Usyk deserved this, and I am sure that they are going to do a rematch for the title, they will not have to wait for that long neither, they will fight like this fall or something. I Christmas fight would have been perfect too, while billions are at home, they could just sit and watch, or whenever it happens, it is going to be a great fight to watch without a doubt, and Fury will try more I am sure.

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