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Quote from: Dave1 on April 22, 2024, 07:15:29 PM

^^ The timing though, it's a high profile fight and Sulaiman wanted to have a test run with this big fight?

Why not test it out to some lesser known fights and see how it goes? And he could have been adding more controversies in this fight, so it doesn't make sense for the WBC president to put more fuel to the fire here.

And for sure majority of boxing fans here are not going to agree with him.

Yeah, it's silly doing it for such a high profile fight. I'm sure it would only cause more drama not less. I'm not opposed to more judges and something really needs to change with the scoring system as there's far too many robberies these days and often the judges don't seem to be watching the same fight as the viewers. Maybe they need another judge who watches the same TV feed the fans do so they can get a better look from a unique angle that neither the ref or judges can. There's also talk of implementing some sort of VAR, which I'm not sure would be great for boxing, but that additional ref who is watching the stream could maybe talk to the ring ref during the fight if he spots a foul/low blow or elbow etc.

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^^ The timing though, it's a high profile fight and Sulaiman wanted to have a test run with this big fight?

Why not test it out to some lesser known fights and see how it goes? And he could have been adding more controversies in this fight, so it doesn't make sense for the WBC president to put more fuel to the fire here.

And for sure majority of boxing fans here are not going to agree with him.

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Has this been discussed before here?

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1768563585951621370

6 judges really? I'm opposed to it, I must admit that there are really some outrage scorecard in some high profile fights, but having 6 judges to score? nah, I don't think it won't happen and it won't solved any. And for all we know, all this judges is as corrupt as the boxing body themselves like WBC.

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 15, 2024, 06:00:54 PM

One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.

Quote from: Kemarit on April 12, 2024, 05:08:04 PM

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

To be fair that's a common tactic in boxing. Not only does it give the boxer a breather but it drains your opponent of energy as they have to bare their weight. Fury tried doing it to Ngannou but Francis was too heavy/strong and it backfired. Tyson will 100% use this against Usyk given he's the taller and heavier man, but I expect Tyson will play dirty in other ways like low blows and elbows, especially if it's clear he is losing.

Quote from: JollyGood on April 18, 2024, 10:50:56 AM

His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?

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Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?

He also tends to post older photos from times he was more in shape. Don't believe anything unless it's guaranteed new photos or videos. Tyson could also be in excellent shape right this moment but be in a completely different one by the time the fight comes for better or worse. Usyk is in shape all year around and Tyson yo-yos and struggles to stay in shape.

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His current physical condition seems to be questionable. It does look as though he has lost lot of weight, a bit too lean and that could mean a big disadvantage because Fury does have a tendency to use his size and weight to pressure opponents by leaning in to them. You would presume it is going to help Fury will be active and fast with his fists but after his recent fights how many people think he is actually going to win?

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Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight?

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On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.

In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.

I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clealy imply that it is not in a similar measure.

In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.

@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?

Not sure what you mean by this, but I don't see Fury confusing Usyk here, on the contrary, in that press conference, he says that a big men will always beat the smaller one and size matters. So obviously he is stating that he is going to beat Usyk because he is the bigger and better boxer.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

Have you seen the pictures where it showed that Tyson Fury has presently lost much weight? He might weigh 20 pounds lighter or more for this fight, I reckon. He has declared that size matters implying that he will use this, however, during the time of the fight I speculate that we might see a slender and sexy Tyson Fury who will float like a butterfly similar to Muhammad Ali hehehehe. Also, Tyson's bee stings might be stronger than Muhammad Ali's bee stings hehehe.

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One of the things Wilder complained about during their trilogy was that Fury was lean on to him and by using his weight he forced Wilder to use energy to try to push back. I am unsure how Usyk would handle that tactic if it were employed by Fury but he was successful when he shrugged off Joshua when he was clinging on in their fights.

Quote from: Kemarit on April 12, 2024, 05:08:04 PM

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 11, 2024, 11:42:14 PM

Quote from: Fundamentals Of on April 10, 2024, 09:39:10 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 10, 2024, 09:08:00 PM

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.

In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.

I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clealy imply that it is not in a similar measure.

In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.

@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?

Not sure what you mean by this, but I don't see Fury confusing Usyk here, on the contrary, in that press conference, he says that a big men will always beat the smaller one and size matters. So obviously he is stating that he is going to beat Usyk because he is the bigger and better boxer.

And with his size, it can also be used as a tool, in the Wilder fight, Fury has a weight advantage of 42 lbs, and if he weight this much here, it will be clearly like a CW in Usyk, fighting a super Heavyweight and it will illustrate in this fight as he will used all that to push Usyk and put him in the corner.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on April 10, 2024, 09:39:10 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 10, 2024, 09:08:00 PM

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.

In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.

I mention similar measure of capabilities implying that they are in top 5 in their weight division. This does not need to be 100% similar measure, there will be differences like you mentioned. However yes, the argument is if Fury and Usyk is compared to someone who has not fought a big name in the heavyweight division would clearly imply that it is not in a similar measure.

In any case, agreed on your prediction. Tyson Fury also will be quicker for the fight after his diet from beer and junk food hehee.

@hilariousetc. Is Tyson Fury doing something similar as Muhammad Ali where he confuses his enemies before the fight?

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 11, 2024, 06:50:35 AM

That had to have been one of the most pointless press conferences ever. Nothing was announced at all. The highlight was John Fury being honest and saying the fight could be boring haha, which Frank Warren didn't seem too happy about and caused quite a stir amongst the crowd. It looks like they are probably panicking about the lack of promo. Tyson's manager did an interview after and someone asked him what it was all about and why it came out of the blue and he said something along the lines of they're contractually obligated to promote the fight, so that's probably the only reason it happened. Interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOG7AXkEMc

It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV buys have been very poor so far due to lack of promotion and poor undercard. Could this be one of the most anticlimactic fights in history?

Oh well, I was hype about this so called press conference, but it was a snoozer and nothing exciting has been announced here. And probably some boxing fans, including myself has fallen for it waiting and then it's obvious that this is just a promotion that is long overdue on the side of Warren and Tyson Fury to come out in public for this fight.

And with that, it didn't do anything as intended, no hype whatsoever in social media and it's obvious as well that this is like being force by Warren as they are obligated to promote this fight as you have said. No preparation whatsoever, just get someone to announce it and invite the media, that's it.

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That had to have been one of the most pointless press conferences ever. Nothing was announced at all. The highlight was John Fury being honest and saying the fight could be boring haha, which Frank Warren didn't seem too happy about and caused quite a stir amongst the crowd. It looks like they are probably panicking about the lack of promo. Tyson's manager did an interview after and someone asked him what it was all about and why it came out of the blue and he said something along the lines of they're contractually obligated to promote the fight, so that's probably the only reason it happened. Interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOG7AXkEMc

It wouldn't surprise me if the PPV buys have been very poor so far due to lack of promotion and poor undercard. Could this be one of the most anticlimactic fights in history?

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 09, 2024, 10:45:25 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on April 09, 2024, 10:39:15 AM

Wow, The Rock Dwayne Johnson is in great shape. However, if Fury considers himself to be one, then most likely he does not train 24/7 but is again experiencing mental problems due to cocaine and nandrolone Grin

Quotes haunt me - at the moment on sportsbet.io it’s literally 1.85 to 1.85. In theory, such a dramatic change is a sure sign that you should bet against the former favorite. But 1.85 doesn't seem like good compensation for the risk.

However, if Tyson Fury trained for the fight against Francis Ngannou and punched Francis straight to the stretcher and carried out by Mike Tyson, would the odds on Fury be 1.85? It will certainly be very much lower, I reckon. This is the picture mentioned that was being compared by the fans to the Rock.

Also, what is this nondrolone? This is my first time knowing this ehehe. Is this good? Will this drug cause Fury to imagine and invent a new punch heheheh.

It is difficult to say whether it is possible to invent a new punch with the help of nandrolone, but since it is an anabolic steroid, it can help you get into shape faster (which Fury definitely needed). The question is whether he will again be able to find a boar with the required concentration of nandrolone in the meat Grin

Quotes are still 1.85 - 1.85. I still don’t understand if there is value here (probably in a bet on Fury). There is probably no point in betting live, since one hit will change the whole picture.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on April 10, 2024, 09:08:00 PM

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

But similar measures of capabilities is hardly found in boxing. Boxers mostly have individual characteristics. But despite this, despite the difference, size really matters. Size is a big factor. I agree with Fury that size really matters. It can't be brushed off as a negligible advantage. After all size isn't just size. It could mean strength, power, reach advantage, height advantage, etc. All these matters so much in boxing.

In this particular bout, although I'm also a fan of Usyk, I don't think it's hard to predict that Tyson is probably winning.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 10, 2024, 05:57:03 AM

Tyson is having a snap press conference soon at 12:30 GMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZkLdYVtJ4

Apparently he's doing it by himself. Bit bizarre announcing a shock press conference within 24 hours. I've got a feeling this isn't going to be good news. Retirement, postponement, failed a drug test???

It appears that Tyson Fury might have made this decision to have a snap press conference because he wants to promote the fight, however,he also wants to promote this under his own schedule. I will not be shocked if he is not present on 1 or 2 official press conferences. He will be busy training hehehe.

On the press conference, Tyson Fury has certainly made a very good argument on size and why being bigger is certainly always better in boxing if the fight is between fighters of similar measure of capabilities.

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^^ Ok, but why make a separate press conference for this kind of non-sense from him? He can simply say that Usyk is not going to beat him as size matter. But still he put on a a tirade and attack those CW in history that lost to a good HW fighter.

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“We have weight divisions for a reason. When the cruiserweights step up to the big boys, they are usually found wanting. You can beat the average big ones, but you can’t beat the elite big ones because size really matters,”

https://www.boxingscene.com/tyson-fury-cruiserweights-step-up-theyre-usually-found-wanting--182752

In any case, he should prepared for this fight 100% because if he losses here, this whole press conference is just a bunch of rubbish.

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Quote from: btc_angela on April 10, 2024, 09:58:49 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on April 10, 2024, 05:57:03 AM

Tyson is having a snap press conference soon at 12:30 GMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZkLdYVtJ4

Apparently he's doing it by himself. Bit bizarre announcing a shock press conference within 24 hours. I've got a feeling this isn't going to be good news. Retirement, postponement, failed a drug test???

Doesn't look good to be honest, but If I'm going to be positive here, probably Tyson Fury is hyping this fight with this kind of press conference. He hasn't had history of drug related failed test isn't it?

But if this is true, then it's really a shocker and then the fight getting cancelled again and most likely it will not going to happen.

Hopefully this is not the case.

Nothing of that happen in the press conference in his hometown with Frank Warren. It's just all Fury wanting to let everyone knows that he is back and then point to a fact that a CW like Usyk cannot beat the top tier boxer.

And then the litany of great CW in history when they step up with the great Heavyweight fighters, they usually lost according to him.

And so with that, he believes that Usyk is not going to beat him this May 18th.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 10, 2024, 05:57:03 AM

Tyson is having a snap press conference soon at 12:30 GMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZkLdYVtJ4

Apparently he's doing it by himself. Bit bizarre announcing a shock press conference within 24 hours. I've got a feeling this isn't going to be good news. Retirement, postponement, failed a drug test???

Doesn't look good to be honest, but If I'm going to be positive here, probably Tyson Fury is hyping this fight with this kind of press conference. He hasn't had history of drug related failed test isn't it?

But if this is true, then it's really a shocker and then the fight getting cancelled again and most likely it will not going to happen.

Hopefully this is not the case.

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Tyson is having a snap press conference soon at 12:30 GMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40ZkLdYVtJ4

Apparently he's doing it by himself. Bit bizarre announcing a shock press conference within 24 hours. I've got a feeling this isn't going to be good news. Retirement, postponement, failed a drug test???

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However, Tyson Fury presently has been training 24 hours a day without a rest. He uploaded his latest picture on social media. You will notice the very big difference.

Wow, The Rock Dwayne Johnson is in great shape. However, if Fury considers himself to be one, then most likely he does not train 24/7 but is again experiencing mental problems due to cocaine and nandrolone Grin

Quotes haunt me - at the moment on sportsbet.io it’s literally 1.85 to 1.85. In theory, such a dramatic change is a sure sign that you should bet against the former favorite. But 1.85 doesn't seem like good compensation for the risk.

However, if Tyson Fury trained for the fight against Francis Ngannou and punched Francis straight to the stretcher and carried out by Mike Tyson, would the odds on Fury be 1.85? It will certainly be very much lower, I reckon. This is the picture mentioned that was being compared by the fans to the Rock.

Also, what is this nondrolone? This is my first time knowing this ehehe. Is this good? Will this drug cause Fury to imagine and invent a new punch heheheh.

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 09, 2024, 11:09:37 AM

Joshua had a fantastic win over Ngannou and we were all surprised to see how he completely dominated the fight. The ending was a sad thing to watch as Ngannou required medical attention. Having said that, I believe Parker will beat Joshua. It went to the judges scorecard the first time they met in 2018 but if they were to meet today, I am confident Parker will defeat Joshua.

Parker’s biggest weakness is his lack of power. He also got dropped twice against Zhang. Joshua isn’t some slow, overweight neanderthal like Zhang is. If he is able to hurt Parker, he is not going to allow him to recover. Deontay Wilder is supposed to fight Zhang next. If he wins that fight, then I would rather see him face Joshua. Despite neither being champions anymore, it would still be a huge fight that would do great numbers on PPV.

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