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Quote from: OgNasty on November 03, 2024, 04:33:33 AM

I finally have an artificial intelligence that is willing to attempt to predict the winner of games.

With its first selection, it says the Nets will beat the Pistons later today.

That's the thing, the Pistons won against the Nets on that game, so the AI was wrong, and everybody just ignored it.

If it would have guessed it correctly (50% chances) then a lot of people would have paid attention to the next prediction.

And it could have even guessed that one correctly (25% chances of winning 2/2).

Even Paul the Octopus had a better track record:

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Octopus

In all, Paul amassed an overall record of 12 correct predictions out of 14: a success rate of approximately 85.7%.

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I finally have an artificial intelligence that is willing to attempt to predict the winner of games.

With its first selection, it says the Nets will beat the Pistons later today.

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AI might have a way to go still on interpreting sporting events. Grok had a funny take on the recent Warriors vs Kings game. When asking it for a recap it created this article. Funniest AI story I’ve seen yet. So many people were criticizing Klay Thompson’s performance that AI legitimately thought he was vandalizing Sacramento with bricks. Lol

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Quote from: Mahanton on March 22, 2024, 01:32:39 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 22, 2024, 12:25:37 PM

Quote from: nullama on March 21, 2024, 10:09:44 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 20, 2024, 11:56:37 AM

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oh, yes, if you consider casinos in real life that there's all the "this is an experience" dymension
have you ever seen comparisons between the profitability and total revenue of irl casinos and digital ones?
I wonder how distant they are since the online casinos can reach way more people without geographic limitation.

Yeah, that's a wonderful point you make. I don't know!.

The relationship between real world casinos and digital casinos is unknown to me.

I have no idea how that is related.

But, I can see from the real world casinos that people still go there, and I can see from online casinos based on the fact that they are still there that they are receiving people as well.

Not sure if there is an overlap though.

some online casinos have their earnings public
rollbit does it, I couldn't find the live dashboard they had on sports betting and casino revenue but there are several articles around about their earnings
https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/10/03/rollbit-recorded-38m-in-september-betting-revenues-rlb-token-climbs/

physical casinos data is probably much harder to find

Everything could really be tracked considering that each bet roll ID's could really be seen or something that would really be transparent and since these casinos are really that regulated then
it would be almost that impossible that you would really be able to hide up on something on which when it comes to calculations then it could really be something that could be known
or something that you couldnt really be able to deny on speaking about revenue on which it is really that transparent.
I do agree into your point about casinos physically on which this is something much more harder to tally up on everything on which we know that
it would be possibly on denying out some rolls since it couldnt really be something that be checked out.

even with an specific tracking irl, they'd still have the possibility to keep data private
like most of the companies
but in crypto everything is on-chain or passes on-chain somewhere so you can at least track all money deposits vs all money withdrawals
which gives you some clues about what is going on.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 22, 2024, 12:25:37 PM

Quote from: nullama on March 21, 2024, 10:09:44 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 20, 2024, 11:56:37 AM

~snip~
oh, yes, if you consider casinos in real life that there's all the "this is an experience" dymension
have you ever seen comparisons between the profitability and total revenue of irl casinos and digital ones?
I wonder how distant they are since the online casinos can reach way more people without geographic limitation.

Yeah, that's a wonderful point you make. I don't know!.

The relationship between real world casinos and digital casinos is unknown to me.

I have no idea how that is related.

But, I can see from the real world casinos that people still go there, and I can see from online casinos based on the fact that they are still there that they are receiving people as well.

Not sure if there is an overlap though.

some online casinos have their earnings public
rollbit does it, I couldn't find the live dashboard they had on sports betting and casino revenue but there are several articles around about their earnings
https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/10/03/rollbit-recorded-38m-in-september-betting-revenues-rlb-token-climbs/

physical casinos data is probably much harder to find

Everything could really be tracked considering that each bet roll ID's could really be seen or something that would really be transparent and since these casinos are really that regulated then
it would be almost that impossible that you would really be able to hide up on something on which when it comes to calculations then it could really be something that could be known
or something that you couldnt really be able to deny on speaking about revenue on which it is really that transparent.
I do agree into your point about casinos physically on which this is something much more harder to tally up on everything on which we know that
it would be possibly on denying out some rolls since it couldnt really be something that be checked out.

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Quote from: nullama on March 21, 2024, 10:09:44 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 20, 2024, 11:56:37 AM

~snip~
oh, yes, if you consider casinos in real life that there's all the "this is an experience" dymension
have you ever seen comparisons between the profitability and total revenue of irl casinos and digital ones?
I wonder how distant they are since the online casinos can reach way more people without geographic limitation.

Yeah, that's a wonderful point you make. I don't know!.

The relationship between real world casinos and digital casinos is unknown to me.

I have no idea how that is related.

But, I can see from the real world casinos that people still go there, and I can see from online casinos based on the fact that they are still there that they are receiving people as well.

Not sure if there is an overlap though.

some online casinos have their earnings public
rollbit does it, I couldn't find the live dashboard they had on sports betting and casino revenue but there are several articles around about their earnings
https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2023/10/03/rollbit-recorded-38m-in-september-betting-revenues-rlb-token-climbs/

physical casinos data is probably much harder to find

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 20, 2024, 11:56:37 AM

~snip~
oh, yes, if you consider casinos in real life that there's all the "this is an experience" dymension
have you ever seen comparisons between the profitability and total revenue of irl casinos and digital ones?
I wonder how distant they are since the online casinos can reach way more people without geographic limitation.

Yeah, that's a wonderful point you make. I don't know!.

The relationship between real world casinos and digital casinos is unknown to me.

I have no idea how that is related.

But, I can see from the real world casinos that people still go there, and I can see from online casinos based on the fact that they are still there that they are receiving people as well.

Not sure if there is an overlap though.

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Quote from: nullama on March 14, 2024, 03:16:47 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 13, 2024, 11:38:23 AM

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I think there's something about the thrill too, about being right on a position you decided to take, more than only making money
there are several different ways to make money you don't have to bet to do it, so I think sports bettors seek something else too, something about looking at a future possibility and seeing its confirmation

Yeah, I think there are many other aspects to gambling than just the money.

Especially if you go to a real world casino with all it's "luxurious" experiences.

It can be a source of entertainment for some people, also it allows to have extra things like say, a 24 hour open sports bar with a nice screen, etc, which usually wouldn't be profitable to run otherwise.

oh, yes, if you consider casinos in real life that there's all the "this is an experience" dymension
have you ever seen comparisons between the profitability and total revenue of irl casinos and digital ones?
I wonder how distant they are since the online casinos can reach way more people without geographic limitation.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 13, 2024, 11:38:23 AM

~snip~
I think there's something about the thrill too, about being right on a position you decided to take, more than only making money
there are several different ways to make money you don't have to bet to do it, so I think sports bettors seek something else too, something about looking at a future possibility and seeing its confirmation

Yeah, I think there are many other aspects to gambling than just the money.

Especially if you go to a real world casino with all it's "luxurious" experiences.

It can be a source of entertainment for some people, also it allows to have extra things like say, a 24 hour open sports bar with a nice screen, etc, which usually wouldn't be profitable to run otherwise.

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Quote from: OgNasty on March 12, 2024, 11:16:34 AM

It looks like 2/3s of people wouldn’t be open to letting Artificial Intelligence select their bets. I can understand why as people (especially sports bettors) would like to have their destiny in their own hands. I think once AI does start making gambling predictions and people can see the outcomes, maybe things will change.

I think there's something about the thrill too, about being right on a position you decided to take, more than only making money
there are several different ways to make money you don't have to bet to do it, so I think sports bettors seek something else too, something about looking at a future possibility and seeing its confirmation

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It looks like 2/3s of people wouldn’t be open to letting Artificial Intelligence select their bets. I can understand why as people (especially sports bettors) would like to have their destiny in their own hands. I think once AI does start making gambling predictions and people can see the outcomes, maybe things will change.

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on point! @Fivestar4everMVP

life is dynamic and change never stops, that's beautiful

Quote from: nullama on February 29, 2024, 01:22:54 AM

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The same with AI, if you can use it to make your life better, that's how you will win.

Maybe for gambling AI can be used in an indirect way. Maybe someone already is using it.

probably, I'd love to hear from other users if they're already using AI for betting
how are they using it? are they creating autonomous AI agents to bet for them or using it to refine strategies or something else?

that is a really interesting topic to talk about

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on February 28, 2024, 07:49:25 AM

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Well, I believe none of you wanted or would wish humanity civilization to be static, a tree (for example) is never static in growth, except one that is not healthy, a tree starts by its seed planted in the ground, it starts growing in both ways, up and down, that is, down - for the roots, and up - for the steem, branches and so on, it grows and grows, and at the time when it should become static, it still will continue to grow but at a reduced speed, until it's cut down.

In the same vain as the tree, human civilization will continue to grow from stage to stage, new things will continue to be invented that will or should make living more easier and more enjoyable, we are talking about Ai today, which can automatically do a lot of things we usually spend a lot of money and time to do manually, how about when flying cars and bikes get introduced? 😁

Anyways, I am still looking forward to how we can apply the help of Ai to our gambling activities to better the outcome of our games, it actually pains me that games like slot and casino games are Ai proof, there is no way Ai can influence the outcome of such games except on the casino side.

Yeah, you are right. Life is full of changes, you need to adapt or die.

That's how life works. Whoever is not able to adapt to the new circumstances, dies.

The same with AI, if you can use it to make your life better, that's how you will win.

Maybe for gambling AI can be used in an indirect way. Maybe someone already is using it.

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Quote from: nullama on February 23, 2024, 08:15:31 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 23, 2024, 09:55:09 AM

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I see this times as exciting too and I'm optimistic for the future
we haven't seen something like that before
people will have to learn to verify everything they see online because you now simply can't trust that a video or image you see online really happened or not.
crazy

This really is something incredible.

I am starting to think that this is a bit like the transition from web 1.0 to web 2.0.

In the web 1.0 only specialized people could generate content for it, whereas in the web 2.0 anyone could create and post content.

Same now with digital art. Images, videos, etc. Before only specialized people could do it, now anyone can create them.

It's a game changer.

Well, I believe none of you wanted or would wish humanity civilization to be static, a tree (for example) is never static in growth, except one that is not healthy, a tree starts by its seed planted in the ground, it starts growing in both ways, up and down, that is, down - for the roots, and up - for the steem, branches and so on, it grows and grows, and at the time when it should become static, it still will continue to grow but at a reduced speed, until it's cut down.

In the same vain as the tree, human civilization will continue to grow from stage to stage, new things will continue to be invented that will or should make living more easier and more enjoyable, we are talking about Ai today, which can automatically do a lot of things we usually spend a lot of money and time to do manually, how about when flying cars and bikes get introduced? 😁

Anyways, I am still looking forward to how we can apply the help of Ai to our gambling activities to better the outcome of our games, it actually pains me that games like slot and casino games are Ai proof, there is no way Ai can influence the outcome of such games except on the casino side.

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Quote from: nullama on February 23, 2024, 08:15:31 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 23, 2024, 09:55:09 AM

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I see this times as exciting too and I'm optimistic for the future
we haven't seen something like that before
people will have to learn to verify everything they see online because you now simply can't trust that a video or image you see online really happened or not.
crazy

This really is something incredible.

I am starting to think that this is a bit like the transition from web 1.0 to web 2.0.

In the web 1.0 only specialized people could generate content for it, whereas in the web 2.0 anyone could create and post content.

Same now with digital art. Images, videos, etc. Before only specialized people could do it, now anyone can create them.

It's a game changer.

definitely a game changer
DSLRs did it too, to some extent, before producing cinemas was reserved for those with money because the equipment was expensive and hard to operate
DSLRs democratized access

AIs will do that too
it's the era of the idea

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 23, 2024, 09:55:09 AM

~snip~
I see this times as exciting too and I'm optimistic for the future
we haven't seen something like that before
people will have to learn to verify everything they see online because you now simply can't trust that a video or image you see online really happened or not.
crazy

This really is something incredible.

I am starting to think that this is a bit like the transition from web 1.0 to web 2.0.

In the web 1.0 only specialized people could generate content for it, whereas in the web 2.0 anyone could create and post content.

Same now with digital art. Images, videos, etc. Before only specialized people could do it, now anyone can create them.

It's a game changer.

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Quote from: nullama on February 22, 2024, 10:49:34 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 22, 2024, 09:33:30 AM

the main problem with open sourcing AI tech, though, is that it'll give a really powerfull tool that can and will be used for disinformation and fake news
that will be huge probably already starting on the next elections
on the other hand I know it's not possible to regulate it and it'll hit us sooner or later

We didn't really have these kinds of questions when photography started though...

The ability to freeze reality with the touch of a button was a thing a few decades ago (Daguerreotypes, the first types of photography existed from the 1840s). Less than 2 centuries later we have managed to make that irrelevant.

Anyone can now create a digital image of a thing that has never happened.

Exciting Times!

I see this times as exciting too and I'm optimistic for the future
we haven't seen something like that before
people will have to learn to verify everything they see online because you now simply can't trust that a video or image you see online really happened or not.
crazy

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 22, 2024, 09:33:30 AM

the main problem with open sourcing AI tech, though, is that it'll give a really powerfull tool that can and will be used for disinformation and fake news
that will be huge probably already starting on the next elections
on the other hand I know it's not possible to regulate it and it'll hit us sooner or later

We didn't really have these kinds of questions when photography started though...

The ability to freeze reality with the touch of a button was a thing a few decades ago (Daguerreotypes, the first types of photography existed from the 1840s). Less than 2 centuries later we have managed to make that irrelevant.

Anyone can now create a digital image of a thing that has never happened.

Exciting Times!

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the main problem with open sourcing AI tech, though, is that it'll give a really powerfull tool that can and will be used for disinformation and fake news
that will be huge probably already starting on the next elections
on the other hand I know it's not possible to regulate it and it'll hit us sooner or later

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 19, 2024, 08:35:32 AM

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yes
of course everything can change with future versions of GPT and specally if we end up really reaching AGI
then some things we have no idea will happen

have you seen Sora? new model by openAI for video, I was already really impressed by it last week.

The thing that I find most fascinating is that we have powerful open source versions of these models.

That means that someone, somewhere, is using these models to create an even better version.

The only thing is that they might or might not publish their models, maybe they don't even publish their results.

They might even become rich without telling a soul.

Open Source models are also unconstrained in terms of any filter that any big tech company might add to their service, so they, in theory at least, should be better.

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