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Quote from: maydna on November 24, 2023, 09:12:11 AM

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The growth seen in AI applications has been incredible. In only a year or two we've seen a change from something barely functional to something that is touching every area of our lives.

In a few years we will be used to new applications that will make current life seem prehistoric.

There is no doubt that the growth of AI applications has developed rapidly because of the technology that helps it grow. Yes, we have seen big changes over the past few years, and we cannot imagine what will happen in the next two or five years because, by that time, the technology we have will have definitely developed far from now.

There will be many new applications that will support our lives and help us carry out daily activities. In the future, there will also be robots that will become our assistants and help us every day and provide the information we want. Technological changes in the future will also be even better than now.

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Quote from: maydna on November 24, 2023, 09:12:11 AM

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That's what I predict because AI is still in its infancy, and its growth will be very fast, especially now that many developers are working to provide the AI that humans want. And as more sophisticated technology improves or is discovered, it will be integrated into AI so that it will change AI for the better. We will see what happens with AI later, and even before 5 years, there will be changes in the field of AI. Will it be like in the films we have already seen or will there be differences? Only time can answer that.

The growth seen in AI applications has been incredible. In only a year or two we've seen a change from something barely functional to something that is touching every area of our lives.

In a few years we will be used to new applications that will make current life seem prehistoric.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 09, 2022, 12:11:37 AM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

Well I've never thought of that before, but since you've just brought it to my notice, I might as well just give it a try and see just what the outcome might be. Although I feel that AI would be more advantaged when it comes to making analysis and coming up with a possible prediction and outcome of a game more than most of us could ever do. I'll let an AI give me a prediction, I'll stake it and then I'll come back to this thread to update everyone on the outcome.

I said I was going to try it and yes I did, I also promised I'd show post the result here. so here goes. I asked my WhatsApp Chat AI for a prediction on a soccer game and it did give me a prediction, I staked it and the result was fantastic. So I guess we can say it does work.
Note: that I am not recommending this to anyone, I only said it worked for me so try it out at your own risk.

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sorry but doing it once is not enough to say it works
I'd love to see the results of 100 or 1000 bets and check its win rates
my guess is that asking an LLM at this stage is not so different than flipping a coin

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 09, 2022, 12:11:37 AM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

Almost after a year after this post, it has now become a reality very close to me.

I have a close experience where a deveoper who has no direct involvement in gambling at any level has stumbled upon a betting AI and because of the tech, he decided to try it out, he actually tried two AI and one became successful and that birthed another dimension of approach towards betting for him.

Unfortnately, the winning didn't continue as he thought it would, now he is faced with the shadow of depression. In my opinion, AI isn't the best at sport betting prediction.

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Quote from: nullama on November 23, 2023, 08:35:26 PM

Quote from: maydna on November 23, 2023, 09:43:13 AM

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Yeah, I think that AI is now like how the web was in the early 2000s. Some people use it, lots of businesses are being created around it, many people know about it, etc.

But it's still early days.

We will see what this technology is capable of doing. It still has a lot of possible growth.

That's what I predict because AI is still in its infancy, and its growth will be very fast, especially now that many developers are working to provide the AI that humans want. And as more sophisticated technology improves or is discovered, it will be integrated into AI so that it will change AI for the better. We will see what happens with AI later, and even before 5 years, there will be changes in the field of AI. Will it be like in the films we have already seen or will there be differences? Only time can answer that.

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Quote from: maydna on November 23, 2023, 09:43:13 AM

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AI has indeed done its job, but it is still not adequate and needs further development to be able to achieve what humans want. Humans always have creative ideas for creating something, so humans will try to make it happen even though it is difficult. And humans can definitely find a solution by finding other things that can help the AI development process. So we can only wait for the development of AI for casinos and gamblers and see the results.

Yeah, I think that AI is now like how the web was in the early 2000s. Some people use it, lots of businesses are being created around it, many people know about it, etc.

But it's still early days.

We will see what this technology is capable of doing. It still has a lot of possible growth.

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Quote from: nullama on November 22, 2023, 08:32:15 PM

Quote from: maydna on November 22, 2023, 11:42:44 AM

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In the future, AI will help us in various ways so that we can benefit from AI. AI is currently still in the development stage so that it can be even better and can reach a level where it can provide the results desired by humans. However, casinos will not just watch the development of AI but will prepare AI to fight AI too. And later, there will be competition between AI involving casinos and gamblers who want to win. But it looks like casinos will still make the most profits because that is their business. Meanwhile, many gamblers still experience loss because they are not yet able to use AI.

Am no ardent fan of AI still am gonna admit that AI is fast penetrating into different sectors of industries. In the development of AI into enhancing gambling predictions for both casino's and gambler's use, just as always, the casinos will have the hedge over the gamblers. How many gamblers will have the money to afford sophisticated and advanced AI tool but the casinos will be able to afford these devs to protect their business and grow profits.
AI are machines that can only work with the information stored in it, however, gamblers should be prepared ahead learning on how to make use of these AI tools in addition to their human intelligence if they wanna stand a chance to get winnings in the near future of gambling.

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Quote from: electronicash on November 22, 2023, 01:35:24 PM

casino's AI is to keep gamblers from winning and the gambler's AI is to keep winning. it will be a hell of a fight as AIs are getting sophisticated i think the dev can actually develop something that will deceive the other bot. AI industry will be the new industry that we are going to be working on.

AIs to predict sports outcomes might still be impossible to achieve for now. we have a long way to go since this depends on the athletes playing the game.
how much access will AI have inorder to predict games? personal life of athletes, health and team meetings. i doubt they are going to allow it.

Yes, this fight will never stop, as each casino and gambler will find a way to beat the other. And AI will become more sophisticated and give hope to gamblers so that they can be confident against the AI of the casino.

AI still has a long way to go, and we don't know how it will develop in the future. And if there is still news being released, the AI can still get the data from the internet and process it so that the AI can provide a percentage and probability for a gambler to win the match. But I also don't know what this AI will be like in the future, especially since I have never tried the AI that several developers are currently developing.

Quote from: nullama on November 22, 2023, 08:32:15 PM

I would argue that AI is already there doing its thing, now in the present.

Sometimes it helps us, and sometimes it helps someone else that wants someone from us.

It's better to learn a bit about all this and be more aware, because things have been changing in this realm for a few years already, now it is mainstream.

AI has indeed done its job, but it is still not adequate and needs further development to be able to achieve what humans want. Humans always have creative ideas for creating something, so humans will try to make it happen even though it is difficult. And humans can definitely find a solution by finding other things that can help the AI development process. So we can only wait for the development of AI for casinos and gamblers and see the results.

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Quote from: maydna on November 22, 2023, 11:42:44 AM

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In the future, AI will help us in various ways so that we can benefit from AI. AI is currently still in the development stage so that it can be even better and can reach a level where it can provide the results desired by humans. However, casinos will not just watch the development of AI but will prepare AI to fight AI too. And later, there will be competition between AI involving casinos and gamblers who want to win. But it looks like casinos will still make the most profits because that is their business. Meanwhile, many gamblers still experience loss because they are not yet able to use AI.

I would argue that AI is already there doing its thing, now in the present.

Sometimes it helps us, and sometimes it helps someone else that wants someone from us.

It's better to learn a bit about all this and be more aware, because things have been changing in this realm for a few years already, now it is mainstream.

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Quote from: Ever-young on November 22, 2023, 04:43:29 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on December 09, 2022, 12:11:37 AM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

Well I've never thought of that before, but since you've just brought it to my notice, I might as well just give it a try and see just what the outcome might be. Although I feel that AI would be more advantaged when it comes to making analysis and coming up with a possible prediction and outcome of a game more than most of us could ever do. I'll let an AI give me a prediction, I'll stake it and then I'll come back to this thread to update everyone on the outcome.

I said I was going to try it and yes I did, I also promised I'd show post the result here. so here goes. I asked my WhatsApp Chat AI for a prediction on a soccer game and it did give me a prediction, I staked it and the result was fantastic. So I guess we can say it does work.
Note: that I am not recommending this to anyone, I only said it worked for me so try it out at your own risk.

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Quote from: boyptc on November 14, 2023, 10:22:28 PM

That's what AIs can do, they're quick in processing information and data gathering as long as it can be found on the web.

What we are not going to see is that the actual results and these predictions will just be based on the data that they can gather.

In short, they can be like us that can predict with basis but it can't do prediction like what we do like that we're just guessing.

The truth there is that AI's are just in the form of advanced humans; they are just programmed to do a little better than what human thinking will do. If we are to make our predictions based on past events, the time it will take us to calculate the possibility of outcomes will take them less than that to get the actual result and give out their protection.

And for the aspect of betting, which requires some mathematical calculations, they get a desired and accurate result. I think the AI will also do best in that aspect, depending on how they are programmed to function. Most of them can give an accurate result, as they can solve and determine the next result within minutes.

But there is just some kind of thinking that those AIs will lack that humans only possess, which is beyond mathematical thinking, but one just needs to think outside the box in order to make such a game happen and turn it into winning.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 09, 2022, 12:11:37 AM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

Well I've never thought of that before, but since you've just brought it to my notice, I might as well just give it a try and see just what the outcome might be. Although I feel that AI would be more advantaged when it comes to making analysis and coming up with a possible prediction and outcome of a game more than most of us could ever do. I'll let an AI give me a prediction, I'll stake it and then I'll come back to this thread to update everyone on the outcome.

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Quote from: maydna on November 22, 2023, 11:42:44 AM

Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on November 21, 2023, 11:29:41 AM

In a way that AI has been helping us in many different ways, I think this is not applicable with gambling like taking all the factors to predict the outcome. AI does predict outcome by analyzing previous data, in short its prediction is from the pattern, pattern that a human can't see or comprehend and I think that's cheating. Gambling isn't made for such technology, perhaps it is the enemy of gambling. If AI continue to upgrade, enter all the industry that it could be then it may be a disruption for some causing some boundary and may be a new age of security detecting AIs in some area.

In the future, AI will help us in various ways so that we can benefit from AI. AI is currently still in the development stage so that it can be even better and can reach a level where it can provide the results desired by humans. However, casinos will not just watch the development of AI but will prepare AI to fight AI too. And later, there will be competition between AI involving casinos and gamblers who want to win. But it looks like casinos will still make the most profits because that is their business. Meanwhile, many gamblers still experience loss because they are not yet able to use AI.

casino's AI is to keep gamblers from winning and the gambler's AI is to keep winning. it will be a hell of a fight as AIs are getting sophisticated i think the dev can actually develop something that will deceive the other bot. AI industry will be the new industry that we are going to be working on.

AIs to predict sports outcomes might still be impossible to achieve for now. we have a long way to go since this depends on the athletes playing the game.
how much access will AI have inorder to predict games? personal life of athletes, health and team meetings. i doubt they are going to allow it.

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on November 21, 2023, 11:29:41 AM

In a way that AI has been helping us in many different ways, I think this is not applicable with gambling like taking all the factors to predict the outcome. AI does predict outcome by analyzing previous data, in short its prediction is from the pattern, pattern that a human can't see or comprehend and I think that's cheating. Gambling isn't made for such technology, perhaps it is the enemy of gambling. If AI continue to upgrade, enter all the industry that it could be then it may be a disruption for some causing some boundary and may be a new age of security detecting AIs in some area.

In the future, AI will help us in various ways so that we can benefit from AI. AI is currently still in the development stage so that it can be even better and can reach a level where it can provide the results desired by humans. However, casinos will not just watch the development of AI but will prepare AI to fight AI too. And later, there will be competition between AI involving casinos and gamblers who want to win. But it looks like casinos will still make the most profits because that is their business. Meanwhile, many gamblers still experience loss because they are not yet able to use AI.

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on November 21, 2023, 11:29:41 AM

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In a way that AI has been helping us in many different ways, I think this is not applicable with gambling like taking all the factors to predict the outcome. AI does predict outcome by analyzing previous data, in short its prediction is from the pattern, pattern that a human can't see or comprehend and I think that's cheating. Gambling isn't made for such technology, perhaps it is the enemy of gambling. If AI continue to upgrade, enter all the industry that it could be then it may be a disruption for some causing some boundary and may be a new age of security detecting AIs in some area.

I don't think it would be considered cheating, as the odds are still against the gambler.

Even the most powerful AI will give you certain probabilities, and at the end the casino will have setup the game to have some advantages, independent if you are right or not in your guess.

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Quote from: nullama on November 18, 2023, 08:38:26 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on November 15, 2023, 02:14:21 PM

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I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before someone creates and AI bot that can sit around making thousands of bets per day and winning at a rate slightly higher than the average gambler. I still don’t think AI can beat the odds over a casino in the long run, but I imagine it could probably bet a massive amount of money with a ton of bets to make gamblers inflate their amount bet numbers like never before.

In terms of betting, I guess most casinos have slower interfaces so I don't think they provide a similar infrastructure like the stock exchange.

In a way that AI has been helping us in many different ways, I think this is not applicable with gambling like taking all the factors to predict the outcome. AI does predict outcome by analyzing previous data, in short its prediction is from the pattern, pattern that a human can't see or comprehend and I think that's cheating. Gambling isn't made for such technology, perhaps it is the enemy of gambling. If AI continue to upgrade, enter all the industry that it could be then it may be a disruption for some causing some boundary and may be a new age of security detecting AIs in some area.

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Quote from: nullama on November 01, 2023, 08:34:07 PM

Quote from: Latviand on November 01, 2023, 06:00:48 AM

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The first thing that comes to mind to me is that basically it would be impossible to know someone was using an AI to make bets. How you come up with your bet is almost impossible to prove.

Second, is that AI might be great, but still the odds will probably be against you. So, yeah, maybe the AI can help you get closer to say 50/50 chances, but you still as a gambler will have slightly less odds, that's just how casinos design their games. It is basically impossible to bet on something that is not more favorable to the casino, by design.

A little pattern recognition would probably help you, if you suspect that someone's using an AI, just use all the AIs available for you to see if you can replicate the result and see some correlation, there's not much up to date AIs out there so you're investigation is easy. It's not impossible to prove that someone's using AI, more like tedious and full of coercion because you've got to make them admit they're using AI. You're right that it's not going to give you the win easily but you also said it ups your chances so it's a win to me if I can get an edge on the casinos.

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Quote from: Latviand on November 01, 2023, 06:00:48 AM

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Yes, AIs are useful, but,for better or worse, not for making bets. I've checked that many times for sports betting, and and it gives you no edge whatsoever. Can you use AI to predict outcomes of slot games and dice? Well, that's a deeply philosophical question, innit?

For now, I would agree that you're goddamn right about AI's usefulness in terms of making bets but give it time, I believe that AI technology will continue to grow so I am sure that this kind of prediction for bets will be an easy thing for an AI to do, it's learning as I type this right now and it will continue to accumulate information about everything until it's perfected. You don't need to have AI to predict outcomes for slot machines, I believe there's a device for you to do that or something that foces the machine to give you the win.

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Quote from: nullama on November 18, 2023, 08:38:26 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on November 15, 2023, 02:14:21 PM

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I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before someone creates and AI bot that can sit around making thousands of bets per day and winning at a rate slightly higher than the average gambler. I still don’t think AI can beat the odds over a casino in the long run, but I imagine it could probably bet a massive amount of money with a ton of bets to make gamblers inflate their amount bet numbers like never before.

In a way this has already happened, in the stock exchange. It's called High Frequency Trading (HFT), and it's been happening since more than a decade or two already.

Basically the bots try to find a good opportunity and they buy or sell stocks, all of this in milliseconds. There's no way a human can compete with this.

In terms of betting, I guess most casinos have slower interfaces so I don't think they provide a similar infrastructure like the stock exchange.

the more I learn the more I find that it's usually better to try to get rich slowly and over time than trying to get rich quickly only.
time does a beautiful job for you in terms of compounding gains and rushing/being worried about money many times will make you lose instead of win.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 15, 2023, 02:14:21 PM

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I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before someone creates and AI bot that can sit around making thousands of bets per day and winning at a rate slightly higher than the average gambler. I still don’t think AI can beat the odds over a casino in the long run, but I imagine it could probably bet a massive amount of money with a ton of bets to make gamblers inflate their amount bet numbers like never before.

In a way this has already happened, in the stock exchange. It's called High Frequency Trading (HFT), and it's been happening since more than a decade or two already.

Basically the bots try to find a good opportunity and they buy or sell stocks, all of this in milliseconds. There's no way a human can compete with this.

In terms of betting, I guess most casinos have slower interfaces so I don't think they provide a similar infrastructure like the stock exchange.

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Quote from: OgNasty on November 15, 2023, 02:14:21 PM

Quote from: nullama on November 14, 2023, 10:09:59 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on November 14, 2023, 06:55:20 PM

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maybe in the future with AI models advancing too things will change
I'm really curious for the next decades
we'll see many interesting things for sure.

any other ideas on how AI may affect the future of betting?

Well, one thing that comes to mind is speed.

Since an AI can process information much faster than the human mind, maybe there would be bets in a faster time-scales than what we can perceive.

Machines are able to uncover things that we can't see, so it's natural to see a progression towards betting on those things as well.

I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before someone creates and AI bot that can sit around making thousands of bets per day and winning at a rate slightly higher than the average gambler. I still don’t think AI can beat the odds over a casino in the long run, but I imagine it could probably bet a massive amount of money with a ton of bets to make gamblers inflate their amount bet numbers like never before.

what is the average gambler winrate?
not sure if this matter so much tbh

there are people building bots and data-based models for gambling with success win rates, right now
we don't need a futuristic AI for that, it's already happening

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