[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes - page 3.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on February 03, 2024, 04:08:12 AM

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Not really. I think there are still gamblers who will monitor the gambling table because they feel that using AI to gamble does not allow them to enjoy gambling games. Even though gambling should be for entertainment and pleasure, so with the existence of AI, they feel they have lost something they were looking for in gambling.

Many gamblers may change their goals in gambling, where they will start trying to chase their winnings. And at that time, gambling will no longer be a place to have fun but rather a place to make money using AI. But this also cannot minimize gambling addiction because the existence of AI makes it easier for gamblers to place bets and they don't need to do in-depth research to find a team that can win because there is already AI to do it.

Yeah, I kinda like the atmosphere at some nice real world casinos. Sometimes they have nice stuff, great bars, etc.

I still keep gambling in check, but I can see how easy it would be to become addicted as everything there is pushing you to become an addict.

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Quote from: arjunmujay on February 02, 2024, 07:51:23 PM

if that happens, I think there will no longer be any online gamblers who continue to monitor the gambling table. maybe they will just deposit some money into the AI site.

Winning or losing is up to the AI and our settings on the robot. Yes, it is similar to a broker when it comes to trading. The difference is that brokers are still humans, but AI is robots.

Hopefully this will happen in the future so that apart from being more efficient because you can still do other work, it can also minimize gambling addiction which is a big problem for gamblers.

Not really. I think there are still gamblers who will monitor the gambling table because they feel that using AI to gamble does not allow them to enjoy gambling games. Even though gambling should be for entertainment and pleasure, so with the existence of AI, they feel they have lost something they were looking for in gambling.

Many gamblers may change their goals in gambling, where they will start trying to chase their winnings. And at that time, gambling will no longer be a place to have fun but rather a place to make money using AI. But this also cannot minimize gambling addiction because the existence of AI makes it easier for gamblers to place bets and they don't need to do in-depth research to find a team that can win because there is already AI to do it.

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Quote from: nullama on January 27, 2024, 09:24:44 PM

Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on January 27, 2024, 09:20:49 PM

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Yeah, I've mentioned this in another thread, but people tend to forget that casinos are in complete control of the best.

So if something doesn't go right, they can stop the bets.

They can also update the odds at any time, specially when events change, say a team scored a goal, etc.

Keeping up with this is almost impossible as the casinos have the power to change the rules at any time.

Agree with you that the casino can control the best and the casino has various ways or has lot of complete control over all the bets of its customers, this will make it possible for gamblers to experience difficulties even though they use various sophisticated tools.

Basically, the casino will always be superior and the casino should always be the party that benefits the most.
They do business and the way business works is to be able to make profit, so whatever it is, if they feel they are being cheated or harmed by using alternative means of using prohibited tools, then it is clear that there will be preventive measures.
This is real thing that cannot be denied.

As gambler you will only be able to rely on luck and keep betting more honestly and this is the only way to avoid problems and also prevent problems from occurring.
We just need to gamble the way we should, but winning will never be easy unless luck is on our side.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on February 02, 2024, 12:04:23 PM

Quote from: nullama on January 26, 2024, 11:07:53 PM

Quote from: arjunmujay on January 26, 2024, 07:31:39 PM

The development of the world of artificial intelligence (AI) is truly extraordinary. and many novice gamblers use these machines to predict gambling games. Some even asked him to predict altcoins as a trading tool.
In fact, it is good to use AI for this purpose, but it is also not the right and final choice. You also have to pay attention to your own analysis when making bets. Moreover, gambling games are also limited by the time for betting on the game. Is there still time to use AI as a decision-making tool?

There will always be ways to use AI to get some benefits, or to do things faster.

So, I think you can still use AI to make some interesting bets, or at least to make some money doing other things.

you can but it'll probably still take a while until we can leave an AI actively managing bets for us with real money on auto-pilot
I think it'll be possible with some small passive management in the future but probably not yet

but i don't know things are developing so fast that maybe this is already possible.

if that happens, I think there will no longer be any online gamblers who continue to monitor the gambling table. maybe they will just deposit some money into the AI site.

Winning or losing is up to the AI and our settings on the robot. Yes, it is similar to a broker when it comes to trading. The difference is that brokers are still humans, but AI is robots.

Hopefully this will happen in the future so that apart from being more efficient because you can still do other work, it can also minimize gambling addiction which is a big problem for gamblers.

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Quote from: nullama on January 26, 2024, 11:07:53 PM

Quote from: arjunmujay on January 26, 2024, 07:31:39 PM

The development of the world of artificial intelligence (AI) is truly extraordinary. and many novice gamblers use these machines to predict gambling games. Some even asked him to predict altcoins as a trading tool.
In fact, it is good to use AI for this purpose, but it is also not the right and final choice. You also have to pay attention to your own analysis when making bets. Moreover, gambling games are also limited by the time for betting on the game. Is there still time to use AI as a decision-making tool?

There will always be ways to use AI to get some benefits, or to do things faster.

So, I think you can still use AI to make some interesting bets, or at least to make some money doing other things.

you can but it'll probably still take a while until we can leave an AI actively managing bets for us with real money on auto-pilot
I think it'll be possible with some small passive management in the future but probably not yet

but i don't know things are developing so fast that maybe this is already possible.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on January 27, 2024, 09:20:49 PM

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You're actually right because the introducers or owners of casinos didn't program it for gamblers to be winning all the time so a situation whereby a gambler tends to use modern technology like AI to maneuver and he gets winning on a regular and the casino owners finds out about that then they will actually limit that account or possibly ban it from placing bets.

Yeah, I've mentioned this in another thread, but people tend to forget that casinos are in complete control of the best.

So if something doesn't go right, they can stop the bets.

They can also update the odds at any time, specially when events change, say a team scored a goal, etc.

Keeping up with this is almost impossible as the casinos have the power to change the rules at any time.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on January 26, 2024, 11:15:52 PM

Quote from: arjunmujay on January 26, 2024, 07:31:39 PM

The development of the world of artificial intelligence (AI) is truly extraordinary. and many novice gamblers use these machines to predict gambling games. Some even asked him to predict altcoins as a trading tool.
In fact, it is good to use AI for this purpose, but it is also not the right and final choice. You also have to pay attention to your own analysis when making bets. Moreover, gambling games are also limited by the time for betting on the game. Is there still time to use AI as a decision-making tool?

AI like any other technology is always evolving, so supposing that you could create an AI that could predict more often than not the results of a match and make money with it, this does not mean that this will always remain the case.

Remember, casinos will also have access to that technology, and they will make use of it not only to produce better odds that are more difficult to beat, they can also use AI to try to detect users that may be using that technology and limit their accounts.

You're actually right because the introducers or owners of casinos didn't program it for gamblers to be winning all the time so a situation whereby a gambler tends to use modern technology like AI to maneuver and he gets winning on a regular and the casino owners finds out about that then they will actually limit that account or possibly ban it from placing bets.

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Quote from: wxa7115 on January 26, 2024, 11:15:52 PM

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AI like any other technology is always evolving, so supposing that you could create an AI that could predict more often than not the results of a match and make money with it, this does not mean that this will always remain the case.

Remember, casinos will also have access to that technology, and they will make use of it not only to produce better odds that are more difficult to beat, they can also use AI to try to detect users that may be using that technology and limit their accounts.

Plus also the casinos are running a business, 24/7, and have access to a lot more information and funds than any random gambler.

It might be part of the fantasy though, trying to win against the establishment, but as you said, they have access to the same technology, and even more resources.

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Quote from: arjunmujay on January 26, 2024, 07:31:39 PM

The development of the world of artificial intelligence (AI) is truly extraordinary. and many novice gamblers use these machines to predict gambling games. Some even asked him to predict altcoins as a trading tool.
In fact, it is good to use AI for this purpose, but it is also not the right and final choice. You also have to pay attention to your own analysis when making bets. Moreover, gambling games are also limited by the time for betting on the game. Is there still time to use AI as a decision-making tool?

AI like any other technology is always evolving, so supposing that you could create an AI that could predict more often than not the results of a match and make money with it, this does not mean that this will always remain the case.

Remember, casinos will also have access to that technology, and they will make use of it not only to produce better odds that are more difficult to beat, they can also use AI to try to detect users that may be using that technology and limit their accounts.

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Quote from: arjunmujay on January 26, 2024, 07:31:39 PM

The development of the world of artificial intelligence (AI) is truly extraordinary. and many novice gamblers use these machines to predict gambling games. Some even asked him to predict altcoins as a trading tool.
In fact, it is good to use AI for this purpose, but it is also not the right and final choice. You also have to pay attention to your own analysis when making bets. Moreover, gambling games are also limited by the time for betting on the game. Is there still time to use AI as a decision-making tool?

There will always be ways to use AI to get some benefits, or to do things faster.

So, I think you can still use AI to make some interesting bets, or at least to make some money doing other things.

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The development of the world of artificial intelligence (AI) is truly extraordinary. and many novice gamblers use these machines to predict gambling games. Some even asked him to predict altcoins as a trading tool.
In fact, it is good to use AI for this purpose, but it is also not the right and final choice. You also have to pay attention to your own analysis when making bets. Moreover, gambling games are also limited by the time for betting on the game. Is there still time to use AI as a decision-making tool?

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 23, 2024, 07:26:26 AM

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with or without AI one thing is for sure
the casinos will maitain their edge

have you ever heard about sports betting houses that ban players when they start to win a lot?
in the end of the day they can decide who can play and who can't
that's the game.

Yeah, casinos have been doing this forever.

The moment you start winning more than what's expected you will make the casino people notice you.

They will start monitoring you, and if you continue, they will ask you to leave. Or sometimes they would give you free drinks and food so that you stay longer and lose it all over time.

It depends if they think you are cheating or you just got lucky once.

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Quote from: nullama on January 20, 2024, 10:33:08 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 20, 2024, 04:14:53 AM

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There may be no specific regulations from casinos regarding the use of AI, but if AI is more developed than now, there will be changes in regulations from casinos. Casinos will protect their businesses from the possibility that gamblers can gain greater profits using AI. And casinos will also apply the same thing as gamblers, namely by using AI to restrain gamblers who use AI. Casinos do not want to experience losses from gamblers, so the casino will always check the status of each gambler.

Casinos indeed have a bigger advantage in front of gamblers because the casinos own the gambling business. The casino will always check if they are still the ones who are always lucky in getting profits. And there is a way for casinos to stem AI attacks by gamblers.

We gamblers should also understand the situation and if there is a ban on the use of AI, we should not need to use AI. Moreover, we also don't chase winnings from gambling and only use gambling as an activity in our free time so we only gamble when we don't do other things.

Yeah, casinos are well known to have lots of checks to actually make sure they are not losing money while operating.

Technology always has been there with the potential to win over the casinos, but the casinos always remove your chances to do it.

For example using devices for counting cards, and similar things, cameras and people in the casino are always looking for things like this.

And if you keep winning more than what's expected they keep an eye on you, and eventually you might be invited to leave their premises if you keep winning.

with or without AI one thing is for sure
the casinos will maitain their edge

have you ever heard about sports betting houses that ban players when they start to win a lot?
in the end of the day they can decide who can play and who can't
that's the game.

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Quote from: nullama on January 20, 2024, 10:33:08 PM

Yeah, casinos are well known to have lots of checks to actually make sure they are not losing money while operating.

Technology always has been there with the potential to win over the casinos, but the casinos always remove your chances to do it.

For example using devices for counting cards, and similar things, cameras and people in the casino are always looking for things like this.

And if you keep winning more than what's expected they keep an eye on you, and eventually you might be invited to leave their premises if you keep winning.

That is why famous casinos always ensure that their casinos can operate well and always make a profit from their business. With the technology that casinos use, they can give casinos the opportunity to make a lot of profit from losing gamblers, so gamblers should be aware that they don't need to chase wins. Casinos will not let gamblers win many games or win big because it will affect their profits. And yes, the casino will not like it if there are gamblers who often win, even if it is an honest win, so the casino may restrict those gamblers who win.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 20, 2024, 04:14:53 AM

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There may be no specific regulations from casinos regarding the use of AI, but if AI is more developed than now, there will be changes in regulations from casinos. Casinos will protect their businesses from the possibility that gamblers can gain greater profits using AI. And casinos will also apply the same thing as gamblers, namely by using AI to restrain gamblers who use AI. Casinos do not want to experience losses from gamblers, so the casino will always check the status of each gambler.

Casinos indeed have a bigger advantage in front of gamblers because the casinos own the gambling business. The casino will always check if they are still the ones who are always lucky in getting profits. And there is a way for casinos to stem AI attacks by gamblers.

We gamblers should also understand the situation and if there is a ban on the use of AI, we should not need to use AI. Moreover, we also don't chase winnings from gambling and only use gambling as an activity in our free time so we only gamble when we don't do other things.

Yeah, casinos are well known to have lots of checks to actually make sure they are not losing money while operating.

Technology always has been there with the potential to win over the casinos, but the casinos always remove your chances to do it.

For example using devices for counting cards, and similar things, cameras and people in the casino are always looking for things like this.

And if you keep winning more than what's expected they keep an eye on you, and eventually you might be invited to leave their premises if you keep winning.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on January 10, 2024, 01:58:35 AM

I don't understand whether special rules such as maximum bets will still apply because so far as long as you use large casino, no matter how much the bet is, it will still be legal and won't cause any problems.
It just that for the use of AI, I sure almost all casinos will prohibit it and have ways of anticipating the use of AI in every gaming system they have.
Casinos don't want to really experience losses and they always have the upper hand, this is why I often say that whatever efforts gamblers make in every bet to be guaranteed to win will never work.

Yes and that is the real meaning that the casino has far greater advantage in front of the gamblers and the casino has the power in every game or bet by providing opportunities that change significantly at any time.

From this, it can be concluded that the efforts made by gamblers are only failed attempts.
I understand all that and I still gamble to the best of my ability because of the belief that luck will always be on the side of those who dare to take risks.
It just that this understanding also makes me always avoid using AI because it allows problems to occur and it will only be in vain and it will never guarantee victory.

There may be no specific regulations from casinos regarding the use of AI, but if AI is more developed than now, there will be changes in regulations from casinos. Casinos will protect their businesses from the possibility that gamblers can gain greater profits using AI. And casinos will also apply the same thing as gamblers, namely by using AI to restrain gamblers who use AI. Casinos do not want to experience losses from gamblers, so the casino will always check the status of each gambler.

Casinos indeed have a bigger advantage in front of gamblers because the casinos own the gambling business. The casino will always check if they are still the ones who are always lucky in getting profits. And there is a way for casinos to stem AI attacks by gamblers.

We gamblers should also understand the situation and if there is a ban on the use of AI, we should not need to use AI. Moreover, we also don't chase winnings from gambling and only use gambling as an activity in our free time so we only gamble when we don't do other things.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 18, 2024, 12:46:10 PM

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oh, nice to hear!
so, multi millionaire

even if he made his fortune by luck, knowing when to quit is an art too

went to check a bit more about Walsh in case anyone else is interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walsh_(art_collector)

what is the name of the biofgraphy book? couldn't find it so easily.

The book is called "A Bone Of Fact" by David Walsh

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23296955-a-bone-of-fact

I think it's available to buy at some places, but strangely it is not that common to find it.

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Quote from: nullama on January 09, 2024, 11:07:37 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 09, 2024, 03:32:36 PM

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wow, I didn't know that
quite interesting
as some say, the house always win, but I like these movies and stories of people who can find an edge and win big over the house too, be it by luck or by finding an edge...

Yeah, those stories are fun to read or watch.

For example, there is an Australian millionaire that made all his money from gambling.

His name is David Walsh and is now an art collector. He created a huge museum in Hobart, Tasmania. He called it MONA, Museum of Old and New Art.

I read his biography the other day, quite interesting character.

But even he says that he was just lucky.

oh, nice to hear!
so, multi millionaire

even if he made his fortune by luck, knowing when to quit is an art too

went to check a bit more about Walsh in case anyone else is interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walsh_(art_collector)

what is the name of the biofgraphy book? couldn't find it so easily.

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Quote from: nullama on January 07, 2024, 05:46:57 PM

Quote from: Hirose UK on January 07, 2024, 01:14:16 AM

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Yes, and what some people forget is that casinos have special rules such as maximum bets, that basically allows them to have some mechanism to prepare for any issues.

If they detect there's something wrong for them, they would immediately stop the bets, or change the odds of the game.

They control the odds, and they always make them in their favor.

I don't understand whether special rules such as maximum bets will still apply because so far as long as you use large casino, no matter how much the bet is, it will still be legal and won't cause any problems.
It just that for the use of AI, I sure almost all casinos will prohibit it and have ways of anticipating the use of AI in every gaming system they have.
Casinos don't want to really experience losses and they always have the upper hand, this is why I often say that whatever efforts gamblers make in every bet to be guaranteed to win will never work.

Yes and that is the real meaning that the casino has far greater advantage in front of the gamblers and the casino has the power in every game or bet by providing opportunities that change significantly at any time.

From this, it can be concluded that the efforts made by gamblers are only failed attempts.
I understand all that and I still gamble to the best of my ability because of the belief that luck will always be on the side of those who dare to take risks.
It just that this understanding also makes me always avoid using AI because it allows problems to occur and it will only be in vain and it will never guarantee victory.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on January 09, 2024, 03:32:36 PM

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wow, I didn't know that
quite interesting
as some say, the house always win, but I like these movies and stories of people who can find an edge and win big over the house too, be it by luck or by finding an edge...

Yeah, those stories are fun to read or watch.

For example, there is an Australian millionaire that made all his money from gambling.

His name is David Walsh and is now an art collector. He created a huge museum in Hobart, Tasmania. He called it MONA, Museum of Old and New Art.

I read his biography the other day, quite interesting character.

But even he says that he was just lucky.

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