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Quote from: Fortify on January 21, 2023, 03:11:40 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

There are companies out there who specialise in this sort of thing, but unless the ai has up to the minute inputs of news (like the top striker in a football team got injured the day before the match) then it'd not going to be especially effective. It is only as useful as the data it's been fed. Otherwise you might as well just gather statistics and come to more up to date conclusions based on relevant data.

Ya, I’m not saying it would be reliable in any way. At this point it would mostly be for fun to see if AI could currently even be manipulated into making such predictions. I wouldn’t recommend anyone take out a loan and go all in on whatever ChatGPT says to do. It would be a fun experiment though. I keep saying I need to try it out but I just haven’t made time yet. Free time at the PC is just so valuable…

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Quote from: Fortify on January 21, 2023, 03:11:40 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

There are companies out there who specialise in this sort of thing, but unless the ai has up to the minute inputs of news (like the top striker in a football team got injured the day before the match) then it'd not going to be especially effective. It is only as useful as the data it's been fed. Otherwise you might as well just gather statistics and come to more up to date conclusions based on relevant data.

I agree that the data that you feed it will be the only thing that it will base the whole thing on, but the reality is that we are not going to see any AI that could put the "human" part of the football or basketball or any sports into the calculation. Why do you think that all those unexpected things happen in sports?

I have been giving the same response for a whole year, and I am going to say that again, Real lost to Sheriff and won the UCL last year, no AI in the world could ever calculate that. This is why it's going to be impossible to calculate these things. That's just me, maybe it would lose a bit but win a lot more and that's going to make people some profit.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

There are companies out there who specialise in this sort of thing, but unless the ai has up to the minute inputs of news (like the top striker in a football team got injured the day before the match) then it'd not going to be especially effective. It is only as useful as the data it's been fed. Otherwise you might as well just gather statistics and come to more up to date conclusions based on relevant data.

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Quote from: nullama on January 20, 2023, 11:10:50 PM

Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 20, 2023, 02:01:19 PM

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Well, I don't see how it will ever be possible for AI to correctly predict the outcome of a match, this is because like we witnessed in the Qatar 2022 fifa world cup that ended last month, football games are full of surprises, things are not always the way they seem, let's use the game between Argentina and Saudi Arabia as a reference, who would have taught that Saudi Arabia would beat Argentina in that match, how possible is it that an AI would correctly predict that Saudi would Beat Argentina?
Even Saudi Arabia team coach said in an interview that he was at that moment still shocked that they beat Argentina, said it was nothing but luck on their side.

So personally, I don't think AI can really do the job of predicting matches correctly at 100 percent accuracy.

The thing is that predictions are in the realm of probabilities, and statistics, so it's really difficult for us humans to just simply get a feel of how good a system is for estimating the matches.

To evaluate a system like this, a thorough analysis must be done, and not simply a one-off of hit or miss, giving it a 100% or 0% probability.

AI can definitely improve upon the previous methods used for estimating the odds, but of course it will never be 100% accurate because it's a random event.

Maybe one day, AI can provide predictions based on probabilities and statistics obtained from the results of past matches so that AI can provide information on who can win that match.
To evaluate it, AI developers must continuously test to see how much AI can help us get valid data useful for choosing competing teams.
Using AI, we can reduce the time we spend looking for additional data and focus on other things before we place the bet.
But it looks like the AI technology hasn't reached that stage yet so we still have to wait a while longer.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on January 20, 2023, 02:01:19 PM

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Well, I don't see how it will ever be possible for AI to correctly predict the outcome of a match, this is because like we witnessed in the Qatar 2022 fifa world cup that ended last month, football games are full of surprises, things are not always the way they seem, let's use the game between Argentina and Saudi Arabia as a reference, who would have taught that Saudi Arabia would beat Argentina in that match, how possible is it that an AI would correctly predict that Saudi would Beat Argentina?
Even Saudi Arabia team coach said in an interview that he was at that moment still shocked that they beat Argentina, said it was nothing but luck on their side.

So personally, I don't think AI can really do the job of predicting matches correctly at 100 percent accuracy.

The thing is that predictions are in the realm of probabilities, and statistics, so it's really difficult for us humans to just simply get a feel of how good a system is for estimating the matches.

To evaluate a system like this, a thorough analysis must be done, and not simply a one-off of hit or miss, giving it a 100% or 0% probability.

AI can definitely improve upon the previous methods used for estimating the odds, but of course it will never be 100% accurate because it's a random event.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 20, 2023, 01:11:03 PM

I don’t think anyone is saying that AI will be able to correctly predict the winner of a sporting event anywhere near 100% accuracy. I’m just curious if it could do better than the average gambler. Maybe put AI to the test in a head to head competition with someone who thinks they are good at sporting predictions to see how they perform. As soon as I figure out how to trick AI into making these predictions, I’ll give it a shot.

Why you wont really take a shot on making up that comparison rather than on waiting for someone to test it out and tell their feedbacks? It would be a long wait since not all would really be tending to give out their

opinion most of the time and would just simply forget on saying up things in relation to it specially into this forum.Good if they would really be that mindful on sharing their real experience but most of the time then it wont really be that much of a concern.Its better to test of your own and find out for yourself whether it would really be that effective or not.So it does really vary on someones approach but in overall
there's no way that could AI give out best results or winning side considering that everything would really be that speculative.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 20, 2023, 01:11:03 PM

I don’t think anyone is saying that AI will be able to correctly predict the winner of a sporting event anywhere near 100% accuracy. I’m just curious if it could do better than the average gambler. Maybe put AI to the test in a head to head competition with someone who thinks they are good at sporting predictions to see how they perform. As soon as I figure out how to trick AI into making these predictions, I’ll give it a shot.

Well, I don't see how it will ever be possible for AI to correctly predict the outcome of a match, this is because like we witnessed in the Qatar 2022 fifa world cup that ended last month, football games are full of surprises, things are not always the way they seem, let's use the game between Argentina and Saudi Arabia as a reference, who would have taught that Saudi Arabia would beat Argentina in that match, how possible is it that an AI would correctly predict that Saudi would Beat Argentina?
Even Saudi Arabia team coach said in an interview that he was at that moment still shocked that they beat Argentina, said it was nothing but luck on their side.

So personally, I don't think AI can really do the job of predicting matches correctly at 100 percent accuracy.

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The popularity of ChatGPT as a prediction tool is undeniable, but I wouldn't use it to place bets. Due to a lack of information beyond the year 2021, the model may not be able to provide reliable forecasts of the present. As a corollary, there are several elements and variables that might affect the result of a game or match, even when using the most up-to-date statistics.

If you want to win at betting, you need to perform your own homework first. ChatGPT is just one source of information, so while it could be entertaining to check out what it predicts, you shouldn't put all your eggs in that basket.You should always take predictions with a grain of salt and view ss with a healthy dose of skepticism. Always gamble responsibly and don't rely on just one source for betting information; instead, acquire several opinions.

However, if a more accurate model is available using the most recent information, I will most certainly employ it to increase my earnings potential

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I don’t think anyone is saying that AI will be able to correctly predict the winner of a sporting event anywhere near 100% accuracy. I’m just curious if it could do better than the average gambler. Maybe put AI to the test in a head to head competition with someone who thinks they are good at sporting predictions to see how they perform. As soon as I figure out how to trick AI into making these predictions, I’ll give it a shot.

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Quote from: bittraffic on January 20, 2023, 11:19:50 AM

What happens is that the ChatGPT has information up to 2021, obviously it has how to make the predictions, but obviously they will not launch it, I don't know under what criteria they will be able to make a prediction, but if we start to see the mathematical and statistical criteria it is super advanced, I would make some kind of prediction based on mathematics and probabilities but I know that my results would not be accurate, because everything is based on trial and error, on the other hand, the AI learns too quickly, in 1 hour it already knows as if If people were in this trade for 30 years, predictions cannot really be made for now, due to the programming that does not allow it, it would be a matter of testing.

Predictions are predictions and they can't be 100% correct. The AI can actually get the data from sportsman records and stats on Wikipedia if the creator of ChatGPT allows it and starts from there which AI can generate a possible outcome. But eventually, right after its prediction, it will also remind us about prediction is just a prediction and it couldn't be correct until it happens.

When its predictions fail, this AI wouldn't be useful for bettors to use. That's a conclusion one would think after relying on it.
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Yes, there will be still some Flaws. There will be some algorithm they are using just only for casinos and eventually they are about to update it since everyone knows that AI can be used in casinos as well. AI or trading bots or if there's a gambling bots available still I knew that they are not 100% accurate yes but then it is still useful. if he is referring to chatgpt, I wonder how does this bot behave in the future.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 20, 2023, 11:01:18 AM

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 13, 2023, 07:40:51 AM

But people still uses A.I in trading and are making huge profits.

Do you mean a Trading Bot here? If that is, I think we can't compare it to an AI as trading bots follows the algorithm based on how the user set it up, in other words just follow the set command of its user. Different from the literal AI that no need for such manual setup command but instead will adopt based on the market trend and will execute the best possible trading actions on a given trend.

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So why do you think such can't be made especially in football whereby all records, team performance, number of corners, team with the most ball possession, total number of match won are always uploaded online immediately after each game or even during the game.

Because regardless of any professional technical sports analysis, sports results can't be predicted accurately.

Maybe the Moneyline can be predicted at a higher rate by these AIs but what about other betting options such as handicap, point spread, total, and other betting options? Not all bettors always bet on Moneyline. There are lots of betting options each sport leagues.

Making AI useless when it comes to predicting the outcome of a match. And also the ChatGPT AI needs an update. Anyone would be able to see it through its replies when asked about matches. It couldn't pull the data it needs, all the more with these betting options.

Bookies may not also want AI to give any information about matches. One that I can imagine that bookies might do in order for AI to not work is to prevent the spider bots from crawling onto thier websites. Avoid them from indexing any information, I'm sure they have the grounds for doing so.

What happens is that the ChatGPT has information up to 2021, obviously it has how to make the predictions, but obviously they will not launch it, I don't know under what criteria they will be able to make a prediction, but if we start to see the mathematical and statistical criteria it is super advanced, I would make some kind of prediction based on mathematics and probabilities but I know that my results would not be accurate, because everything is based on trial and error, on the other hand, the AI learns too quickly, in 1 hour it already knows as if If people were in this trade for 30 years, predictions cannot really be made for now, due to the programming that does not allow it, it would be a matter of testing.

Predictions are predictions and they can't be 100% correct. The AI can actually get the data from sportsman records and stats on Wikipedia if the creator of ChatGPT allows it and starts from there which AI can generate a possible outcome. But eventually, right after its prediction, it will also remind us about prediction is just a prediction and it couldn't be correct until it happens.

When its predictions fail, this AI wouldn't be useful for bettors to use. That's a conclusion one would think after relying on it.

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Quote from: bittraffic on January 13, 2023, 08:32:25 AM

Quote from: harizen on January 13, 2023, 08:03:55 AM

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 13, 2023, 07:40:51 AM

But people still uses A.I in trading and are making huge profits.

Do you mean a Trading Bot here? If that is, I think we can't compare it to an AI as trading bots follows the algorithm based on how the user set it up, in other words just follow the set command of its user. Different from the literal AI that no need for such manual setup command but instead will adopt based on the market trend and will execute the best possible trading actions on a given trend.

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So why do you think such can't be made especially in football whereby all records, team performance, number of corners, team with the most ball possession, total number of match won are always uploaded online immediately after each game or even during the game.

Because regardless of any professional technical sports analysis, sports results can't be predicted accurately.

Maybe the Moneyline can be predicted at a higher rate by these AIs but what about other betting options such as handicap, point spread, total, and other betting options? Not all bettors always bet on Moneyline. There are lots of betting options each sport leagues.

Making AI useless when it comes to predicting the outcome of a match. And also the ChatGPT AI needs an update. Anyone would be able to see it through its replies when asked about matches. It couldn't pull the data it needs, all the more with these betting options.

Bookies may not also want AI to give any information about matches. One that I can imagine that bookies might do in order for AI to not work is to prevent the spider bots from crawling onto thier websites. Avoid them from indexing any information, I'm sure they have the grounds for doing so.

What happens is that the ChatGPT has information up to 2021, obviously it has how to make the predictions, but obviously they will not launch it, I don't know under what criteria they will be able to make a prediction, but if we start to see the mathematical and statistical criteria it is super advanced, I would make some kind of prediction based on mathematics and probabilities but I know that my results would not be accurate, because everything is based on trial and error, on the other hand, the AI learns too quickly, in 1 hour it already knows as if If people were in this trade for 30 years, predictions cannot really be made for now, due to the programming that does not allow it, it would be a matter of testing.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on January 19, 2023, 06:36:56 PM

definitely, if bettors can use AI and so are the bookies. they won't let themselves get left behind by tech. but it depends on how the AI is programmed. there are too many factors to consider before you can tell that the AI is actually ready for this kind of work. but yes, it needs time when it comes to development. if bettors can use it to their advantage, bookies may also have found a way how to counteract this technique.

I wonder how they're going to counteract it since it's just all about sportsbetting. The bookies don't have the holdings to move anything when the games are actually played by players/athletes and teams that we bet with.

So, I don't understand if ever they'll make something out of it just to counter those bettors that ask an Ai on which team/player they should bet with.

It's mostly going to be a waste of resources and money if they do so and worry much about it because at the end, the bettors will just have to pick one from 1, 2, 3 or so choices.

Casinos can't control the result of actual matches even if an Ai gives a prediction.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on January 19, 2023, 06:24:56 PM

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on January 15, 2023, 04:59:01 PM

I think sport betting will be too complicated for the AI to bet on because there are numerous types of betting. Even at that, it would require a techie to be able to configure the model to make predictions.
I have never used it though, so I am just assuming that these are the likely drawbacks for using AI for prediction.

The current capabilities of AI can definitely be used to have some reasonable estimations of betting odds for a sporting event.

It sounds like science fiction, but in the last year or two there have been massive advances in AI and these things are starting to become real.

And they're getting better every few months.

So yeah, you could use an AI to predict the odds, but the casinos also will probably use them, so not much can be won by a person I think.

People should realize this because if they could able to take advantage on using up these AI's then they should be mindful about on how bookies would be using it up too.Its impossible that they would really be making

themselves get left behind with the scene or condition on which they would really be loving to stake one step ahead out of its bettors.If it was really that something relevant or working then each one of us would really be using it for our advantage but this isnt the case that we are seeing.Its never been recommendable on making use of this AI.

Yes, it might be helpful on some key areas but this isnt something that fits out on something that needs some speculation and future guesses.

definitely, if bettors can use AI and so are the bookies. they won't let themselves get left behind by tech. but it depends on how the AI is programmed. there are too many factors to consider before you can tell that the AI is actually ready for this kind of work. but yes, it needs time when it comes to development. if bettors can use it to their advantage, bookies may also have found a way how to counteract this technique.

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on January 15, 2023, 04:59:01 PM

I think sport betting will be too complicated for the AI to bet on because there are numerous types of betting. Even at that, it would require a techie to be able to configure the model to make predictions.
I have never used it though, so I am just assuming that these are the likely drawbacks for using AI for prediction.

The current capabilities of AI can definitely be used to have some reasonable estimations of betting odds for a sporting event.

It sounds like science fiction, but in the last year or two there have been massive advances in AI and these things are starting to become real.

And they're getting better every few months.

So yeah, you could use an AI to predict the odds, but the casinos also will probably use them, so not much can be won by a person I think.

People should realize this because if they could able to take advantage on using up these AI's then they should be mindful about on how bookies would be using it up too.Its impossible that they would really be making

themselves get left behind with the scene or condition on which they would really be loving to stake one step ahead out of its bettors.If it was really that something relevant or working then each one of us would really be using it for our advantage but this isnt the case that we are seeing.Its never been recommendable on making use of this AI.

Yes, it might be helpful on some key areas but this isnt something that fits out on something that needs some speculation and future guesses.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on January 10, 2023, 03:48:59 AM

I lately heard from friend that he used ai to get opinion about his homework (assignment) at university. Well there are many different possibilities which we never used. I think AI may learn how to properly calculate outcomes of best and pick best outcome ever. That would change gambling totally like, gambling houses or sites will never completely surrender so they may offer you far less money than usual etc.

Again, AI should be connected to the internet to have an opportunity to predict future events with the accuracy you are talking about. ChatGPT is not connected to the internet. Moreover, its database is not even updated on monthly basis.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

Fair enough. Good thing they have embedded this reply to the bot so that there already is a heads up when it comes to these questions. Its creators know that there will be people that will use the AI to predict certain events, so they already prevented that to happen by placing disclaimers about this non-feature on the AI.
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I personally don't think that it was an "embedded reply". I believe that ChatGPT doesn't possess such things at all, and all its replies are genuinely generated by the AI. That's how it's different from what we call "bots".

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on January 15, 2023, 04:59:01 PM

I think sport betting will be too complicated for the AI to bet on because there are numerous types of betting. Even at that, it would require a techie to be able to configure the model to make predictions.
I have never used it though, so I am just assuming that these are the likely drawbacks for using AI for prediction.

The current capabilities of AI can definitely be used to have some reasonable estimations of betting odds for a sporting event.

It sounds like science fiction, but in the last year or two there have been massive advances in AI and these things are starting to become real.

And they're getting better every few months.

So yeah, you could use an AI to predict the odds, but the casinos also will probably use them, so not much can be won by a person I think.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

I guess that alone is enough answer whether AI can predict outcomes or not. Maybe there are some here who can crack the code and can get something from the ChatGPT, but I guess relying on statistics is way better than relying on AI when it comes to predicting outcomes. Another question is that, can you trust your money to an AI? ChatGPT isn't updated and the information that it is giving to us are the ones that it got until 2021 which means what happened in 2022 and this year (if there are some) aren't in the ChatGPT therefore, it is a bit of outdated. Nevertheless, give it at least 3-5 years then we will see a better one than what we are seeing right now.

Yes, it’s now clear enough that AI is not reliable when it comes to predicting sports betting outcome. It’s still best to have your own knowledge on the game, on the teams playing, on the individual performance of the team members, that way you will know who’s likely to win. Also, when it comes to money, we don’t have to rely it to others or to any machine, it’s still best to rely on a human intelligence and skills.

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I think sport betting will be too complicated for the AI to bet on because there are numerous types of betting. Even at that, it would require a techie to be able to configure the model to make predictions.
I have never used it though, so I am just assuming that these are the likely drawbacks for using AI for prediction.

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Today I used chatgpt a bit to see how it is, and I couldn't believe how amazing it is. I have to say, there is of course a limit to what AI can do and predicting outcome of a game is not there right now. But finally we are talking about a bot that could write a book, it could literally be the most read author of our time by the time we are dead, because it could write so many books. There are some people who have already done that, wrote books using chatgpt and published it.

So at the end of the day, we are talking about something that is capable of creativity and maybe predicting games could be something it may do as well, still fail like us, but at least smarter than most people.

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