[POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes - page 53.

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Quote from: Chikito on January 13, 2023, 09:06:59 PM

Quote from: DaNNy001 on January 13, 2023, 06:58:26 PM

I never even knew artificial intelligence was used to predict or select games for individuals. But with the experience i have gotten from years gambling, i think artificial intelligence can actually give the wrong predictions sometimes, because an AI can only give a prediction on a game base on the stats it will gather all around the internet on that match, which may turn out to be false in some cases like the prediction of the world cup winner you mentioned. So its better i just actually predict my games myself and hope on to be lucky.

As many comments and posts above, The AI is just a program who made by humans. If The AI guesses and bets 100% correct, that possibility who get rich is the people that made the AI. the Logic is he will 1st time know who the winning if bets like a football than a robot he made.

So, the AI right now is still unexpected if we compare it as we watch the movie.

That's right and in the end it's only the owner of the AL program who gets the profit. What if in having a good and right prediction he will also bet a large amount of the results of the predictions he makes and on the other hand he also sells his prediction information to others.
If the prediction is not correct, then the AL owner still benefits from selling the prediction information he has made so that he can cover his losses in betting that prediction.
I think in this era there are lots of ways to make money quickly and easily just by relying on intelligence in the world of gambling.

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Quote from: QueenVera on January 14, 2023, 12:51:06 AM

I haven't really seen or heard of the predictions of chatGPT and I will love to see and try it myself and I will be glad if anyone has the link to it.
Most times I've heard people talking about letting some artificial intelligence do sporting analysis and predictions for them and I really don't think this is a nice move because this predictions are based on some certain yardsticks.

I once had a friend who never did a successful prediction for himself and he always prefer a s relies on the predictions from artificial intelligence (AI) and most times he always comes out successful and at times, I get tempted to join the league of those who also depend on AI but I trust my predictions rather.

You can just google this one out; here is a link for you: https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt. Peace Cheesy

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This new piece of software is so popular and I am seeing positive feedback about it on social media sites but if you haven't yet then I guess you should be the one to try/test it on your own but I don't think the bot will function very well now, since it might have been adjusted already as there might be people, schools, organization and companies who are complaining about it and they report it as most people are only dependent on it and not doing their jobs properly anymore.

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I haven't really seen or heard of the predictions of chatGPT and I will love to see and try it myself and I will be glad if anyone has the link to it.
Most times I've heard people talking about letting some artificial intelligence do sporting analysis and predictions for them and I really don't think this is a nice move because this predictions are based on some certain yardsticks.

I once had a friend who never did a successful prediction for himself and he always prefer a s relies on the predictions from artificial intelligence (AI) and most times he always comes out successful and at times, I get tempted to join the league of those who also depend on AI but I trust my predictions rather.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on January 13, 2023, 09:25:17 PM

The results of ChatGPT are sometimes not relevant since I used this in my job (automation scripts) it sends outdated data sometimes the response was out of topic and more on generalization so I conclude that we should not rely on it 100% but it is helpful so predicting outcomes in gambling or on sports betting I rather want to get the opinions of sports bettor than the AI since they have more experience and they can able to predict the next move unlike AI that is using only data and sometimes irrelevant.

Well, yeah, but the thing is that it's a tool, so it can be used to predict certain common things, and to make predictions faster for example.

So it can be used, but it's not like a crystal ball or something magical like that.

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The results of ChatGPT are sometimes not relevant since I used this in my job (automation scripts) it sends outdated data sometimes the response was out of topic and more on generalization so I conclude that we should not rely on it 100% but it is helpful so predicting outcomes in gambling or on sports betting I rather want to get the opinions of sports bettor than the AI since they have more experience and they can able to predict the next move unlike AI that is using only data and sometimes irrelevant.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on January 13, 2023, 06:58:26 PM

I never even knew artificial intelligence was used to predict or select games for individuals. But with the experience i have gotten from years gambling, i think artificial intelligence can actually give the wrong predictions sometimes, because an AI can only give a prediction on a game base on the stats it will gather all around the internet on that match, which may turn out to be false in some cases like the prediction of the world cup winner you mentioned. So its better i just actually predict my games myself and hope on to be lucky.

As many comments and posts above, The AI is just a program who made by humans. If The AI guesses and bets 100% correct, that possibility who get rich is the people that made the AI. the Logic is he will 1st time know who the winning if bets like a football than a robot he made.

So, the AI right now is still unexpected if we compare it as we watch the movie.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on January 13, 2023, 04:19:59 PM

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 13, 2023, 04:09:35 PM

Even humans itself have never been accurate when it comes to predicting football matches, so why do you think an ordinary A.I should do? What I meant is that with A.I, it gives you a clear picture of making a better prediction base on it's ability to give a detail run down of both teams head to head analysis, while left for you to choose which moneyline you think sorts best, or could likely play.

Note: A.I can only help you in making the right prediction, but that doesn't guarantee its 100% accuracy

Specifically, AI can only predict the outcome of a game based on data and statistics from previous events that occurred in that manner. Even though it is not prone to error in how it is designed to function, it can never be 100% accurate. However, predicting the outcome of a match that is not played within its control is impossible.

Even when given ample data and information about two opposing teams, humans make mistakes. We can't expect AI to outperform them in terms of final results, but it can outperform us in statistical analysis. I disagree with the notion that AI will produce accurate results.

I agree with A.I can only help make or analyze predictions but cannot guarantee 100% accuracy because to be able to get truly 100% results requires time and better technology. The developers really have to have the right algorithm so that A.I can collect data accurately and give it to us to choose the right team too. With A.I, it will help us get the data we need in a short time so that it can add information to us and it doesn't take long to choose the team.

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Quote from: nullama on January 13, 2023, 06:44:15 PM

Quote from: Asiska02 on January 13, 2023, 04:19:59 PM

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Specifically, AI can only predict the outcome of a game based on data and statistics from previous events that occurred in that manner. Even though it is not prone to error in how it is designed to function, it can never be 100% accurate. However, predicting the outcome of a match that is not played within its control is impossible.

Even when given ample data and information about two opposing teams, humans make mistakes. We can't expect AI to outperform them in terms of final results, but it can outperform us in statistical analysis. I disagree with the notion that AI will produce accurate results.

Betting agencies have been using machine learning models to estimate their odds for decades now.

They will continue updating their models with the latest advances in AI, and it will get more accurate over time.

But as we just saw in Qatar 2022, they predicted Brazil to be the winner, but in the end it was Argentina the one who won.

So, just now we have proof that these fantastic AI systems still can get it wrong.

I never even knew artificial intelligence was used to predict or select games for individuals. But with the experience i have gotten from years gambling, i think artificial intelligence can actually give the wrong predictions sometimes, because an AI can only give a prediction on a game base on the stats it will gather all around the internet on that match, which may turn out to be false in some cases like the prediction of the world cup winner you mentioned. So its better i just actually predict my games myself and hope on to be lucky.

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Quote from: Asiska02 on January 13, 2023, 04:19:59 PM

~snip~
Specifically, AI can only predict the outcome of a game based on data and statistics from previous events that occurred in that manner. Even though it is not prone to error in how it is designed to function, it can never be 100% accurate. However, predicting the outcome of a match that is not played within its control is impossible.

Even when given ample data and information about two opposing teams, humans make mistakes. We can't expect AI to outperform them in terms of final results, but it can outperform us in statistical analysis. I disagree with the notion that AI will produce accurate results.

Betting agencies have been using machine learning models to estimate their odds for decades now.

They will continue updating their models with the latest advances in AI, and it will get more accurate over time.

But as we just saw in Qatar 2022, they predicted Brazil to be the winner, but in the end it was Argentina the one who won.

So, just now we have proof that these fantastic AI systems still can get it wrong.

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 13, 2023, 04:09:35 PM

Even humans itself have never been accurate when it comes to predicting football matches, so why do you think an ordinary A.I should do? What I meant is that with A.I, it gives you a clear picture of making a better prediction base on it's ability to give a detail run down of both teams head to head analysis, while left for you to choose which moneyline you think sorts best, or could likely play.

Note: A.I can only help you in making the right prediction, but that doesn't guarantee its 100% accuracy

Specifically, AI can only predict the outcome of a game based on data and statistics from previous events that occurred in that manner. Even though it is not prone to error in how it is designed to function, it can never be 100% accurate. However, predicting the outcome of a match that is not played within its control is impossible.

Even when given ample data and information about two opposing teams, humans make mistakes. We can't expect AI to outperform them in terms of final results, but it can outperform us in statistical analysis. I disagree with the notion that AI will produce accurate results.

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Quote from: harizen on January 13, 2023, 08:03:55 AM

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So why do you think such can't be made especially in football whereby all records, team performance, number of corners, team with the most ball possession, total number of match won are always uploaded online immediately after each game or even during the game.

Because regardless of any professional technical sports analysis, sports results can't be predicted accurately.

Maybe the Moneyline can be predicted at a higher rate by these AIs but what about other betting options such as handicap, point spread, total, and other betting options? Not all bettors always bet on Moneyline. There are lots of betting options each sport leagues.

Even humans itself have never been accurate when it comes to predicting football matches, so why do you think an ordinary A.I should do? What I meant is that with A.I, it gives you a clear picture of making a better prediction base on it's ability to give a detail run down of both teams head to head analysis, while left for you to choose which moneyline you think sorts best, or could likely play.

Note: A.I can only help you in making the right prediction, but that doesn't guarantee its 100% accuracy

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Quote from: Dickiy on January 13, 2023, 08:16:53 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

Basically this AI is made by humans where the results of the AI itself are the results of formula analysis and data input into the AI, so AI can respond to what we ask, but unfortunately there are some questions that Ai cannot respond to because there are some that are like local team matches because of the data that hasn't been entered into AI yet, so it might still be limited to popular matches.
I haven't tried using AI technology here to help me decide where to bet in football or other sports, but it seems interesting to bet using the help of AI that is being talked about a lot.

I would guess that "AI" that they are promoting is basically what the openai team puts into it and nothing more. Basically give it all the wikipedia and academic research results and let it be how it is, and maybe fixed by all the responses eventually.

There is a good chance that it could get better in the future but for the time being it doesn't have thoughts and as long as it doesn't have that, it's just a google search engine that is doing a better job and nothing more, it's literally a google that chats with you, that's the maximum capability it has and that is why it won't be able to calculate games and tell you who could win in that game or not.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

I guess that alone is enough answer whether AI can predict outcomes or not. Maybe there are some here who can crack the code and can get something from the ChatGPT, but I guess relying on statistics is way better than relying on AI when it comes to predicting outcomes. Another question is that, can you trust your money to an AI? ChatGPT isn't updated and the information that it is giving to us are the ones that it got until 2021 which means what happened in 2022 and this year (if there are some) aren't in the ChatGPT therefore, it is a bit of outdated. Nevertheless, give it at least 3-5 years then we will see a better one than what we are seeing right now.

My understanding is that you can trick the bot into giving you answers with some well thought out questions. I haven't gotten to play with ChatGPT yet, but I've seen plenty of examples of people getting it to do things it isn't programmed to do. It may not be the most accurate, but I'm sure there's a way to do it. One of these days I will be bored enough at a computer to give it a try and report back. Hopefully someone else will beat me to it because I don't want to be the AI gambler guy. I'll give it a shot eventually though if nobody else figures it out.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

Oh, I didn't know that we can use CHATGPT in gambling. But then, I don't believe that it can help too much, but it is possible indeed. Knowing that it is all run by algorithm, it might take time to know the pattern or algorithm of the game it needs more samples and other info but it has a limitation of course, every thing has its own limitations and we cannot deny the fact that chatgpt might be useful but who knows other casinos will use chatgpt as well to prevent these thing to happen.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

ChatGPT is the talk of the day and imo I would never allow a bot to predict my outcomes because I believe it's predictions wouldn't be any different from how a bookmaker comes up with the odds based on history of the teams, form, injuries etc and we all know that these numbers don't always play out in favor of the favorite team as these games aren't run by some computer program but by sweat and blood.

At this point people are just being overzealous of this AI and need to get back to reality asap!

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 13, 2023, 04:45:06 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on January 12, 2023, 04:59:05 PM

Let’s just say that AI may be good in some aspects when it comes to giving accurate answers but I don’t see it working when it comes to gambling predictions. Especially in sports betting where everything relies on team member’s performance and to say that they comes with uncertain moves, so every details in it would never be accurately predicted. It’s still best to settle with our own good and practical analysis based on real events, especially that we are betting our own money on this.

There may be a time when AI can really help us collect the data we need to choose a team with greater potential to win than the opposing team. And if this can happen, people who use AI technology can expect to win from the sports bets they choose. In addition, later, by using AI technology, we can get useful information for us and provide more data about each team's game. But we must remember that even though we can get more information, we still have to limit the use of money to bet.

Assuming that AI will collect all the information and we can use it as basis, I agree that it can help in terms of possibilities but since it will be use for gambling, we should also need to consider that shit can happen and even how high your trust with the team or player still can suffer from losses, AI can manage to collect good information but there's always luck that we need in order to win.

Also, good managing of your bankroll can maximize the use of AI as you can always move on if things won't favor your position.

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Quote from: harizen on January 13, 2023, 08:03:55 AM

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 13, 2023, 07:40:51 AM

But people still uses A.I in trading and are making huge profits.

Do you mean a Trading Bot here? If that is, I think we can't compare it to an AI as trading bots follows the algorithm based on how the user set it up, in other words just follow the set command of its user. Different from the literal AI that no need for such manual setup command but instead will adopt based on the market trend and will execute the best possible trading actions on a given trend.

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 13, 2023, 07:40:51 AM

So why do you think such can't be made especially in football whereby all records, team performance, number of corners, team with the most ball possession, total number of match won are always uploaded online immediately after each game or even during the game.

Because regardless of any professional technical sports analysis, sports results can't be predicted accurately.

Maybe the Moneyline can be predicted at a higher rate by these AIs but what about other betting options such as handicap, point spread, total, and other betting options? Not all bettors always bet on Moneyline. There are lots of betting options each sport leagues.

Making AI useless when it comes to predicting the outcome of a match. And also the ChatGPT AI needs an update. Anyone would be able to see it through its replies when asked about matches. It couldn't pull the data it needs, all the more with these betting options.

Bookies may not also want AI to give any information about matches. One that I can imagine that bookies might do in order for AI to not work is to prevent the spider bots from crawling onto thier websites. Avoid them from indexing any information, I'm sure they have the grounds for doing so.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

Basically this AI is made by humans where the results of the AI itself are the results of formula analysis and data input into the AI, so AI can respond to what we ask, but unfortunately there are some questions that Ai cannot respond to because there are some that are like local team matches because of the data that hasn't been entered into AI yet, so it might still be limited to popular matches.
I haven't tried using AI technology here to help me decide where to bet in football or other sports, but it seems interesting to bet using the help of AI that is being talked about a lot.

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 13, 2023, 07:40:51 AM

But people still uses A.I in trading and are making huge profits.

Do you mean a Trading Bot here? If that is, I think we can't compare it to an AI as trading bots follows the algorithm based on how the user set it up, in other words just follow the set command of its user. Different from the literal AI that no need for such manual setup command but instead will adopt based on the market trend and will execute the best possible trading actions on a given trend.

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 13, 2023, 07:40:51 AM

So why do you think such can't be made especially in football whereby all records, team performance, number of corners, team with the most ball possession, total number of match won are always uploaded online immediately after each game or even during the game.

Because regardless of any professional technical sports analysis, sports results can't be predicted accurately.

Maybe the Moneyline can be predicted at a higher rate by these AIs but what about other betting options such as handicap, point spread, total, and other betting options? Not all bettors always bet on Moneyline. There are lots of betting options each sport leagues.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 12, 2023, 04:59:05 PM

Let’s just say that AI may be good in some aspects when it comes to giving accurate answers but I don’t see it working when it comes to gambling predictions. Especially in sports betting where everything relies on team member’s performance and to say that they comes with uncertain moves, so every details in it would never be accurately predicted. It’s still best to settle with our own good and practical analysis based on real events, especially that we are betting our own money on this.

But people still uses A.I in trading and are making huge profits. So why do you think such can't be made especially in football whereby all records, team performance, number of corners, team with the most ball possession, total number of match won are always uploaded online immediately after each game or even during the game. Because there is equally no best sport an A.I can predict better than Soccer, MMA, Basketball, table tennis and American football, simply because all the data it needs for analysis is already available online.
So this A.I "ChatGPT" ever since it was released in December last year, has proven A.I can actually do a whole lot of thing. And there is this rumor I just heard about "Microsoft" promising to support the company behind t ChatGPT with $20billion, but don't know how true is this.
Moreover, I just checked the site now, and found out ChatGPT is currently on an upgrade due to the massive increase in site traffic and equally planning to include both free and professional (paid) version.

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