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Quote from: swogerino on January 10, 2023, 02:58:43 AM

It would be interesting only in the sense that AI and more specifically ChatGPT what it does is that it collects information based on what you ask and shows you a big text as an answer to what you have asked.This can be important and a really good feature to use for us sport bettors that don't have time to check all the predictions websites ourselves and ChatGPT can come in handy as it can show us information collected from all these sites so we can immediately have an overview of what other people think for the event we are about to bet on.

^Probably I will give it a try, there is nothing wrong with that. If the AI will give a result the same as my prediction, probably I will follow AI. It needs time to prove if the AI gives consistency in results. But if proven that AI is not reliable in prediction, I will definitely rather use my own predictions rather than rely on the AI's hand. To be honest, I did not use AI or any bots to predict betting, I always have my own research before putting my fund into a betting place and make sure I have a background on the players. So it depends on the result if I am satisfied with it.

If you are really that curios then no ones gonna stop for you to try since its your money had been used up then you do have the full rights on doing so and find for yourself or see on your very own eyes on whats the reality with these kind of AI betting.Its never been effective nor really that works, if it turns out to be a winning bet then its just pure coincidence, there's no way that AI
could really be able to tell on some unseen circumstances or events which humans could able to point out which means that it cant be that precise.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 10, 2023, 02:58:43 AM

It would be interesting only in the sense that AI and more specifically ChatGPT what it does is that it collects information based on what you ask and shows you a big text as an answer to what you have asked.This can be important and a really good feature to use for us sport bettors that don't have time to check all the predictions websites ourselves and ChatGPT can come in handy as it can show us information collected from all these sites so we can immediately have an overview of what other people think for the event we are about to bet on.

^Probably I will give it a try, there is nothing wrong with that. If the AI will give a result the same as my prediction, probably I will follow AI. It needs time to prove if the AI gives consistency in results. But if proven that AI is not reliable in prediction, I will definitely rather use my own predictions rather than rely on the AI's hand. To be honest, I did not use AI or any bots to predict betting, I always have my own research before putting my fund into a betting place and make sure I have a background on the players. So it depends on the result if I am satisfied with it.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

I would most definitely try it but I will not base my decision completely on the AIs decision.

The beauty behind AI making the decision for you is that they can do all the scanning of data and comparison of information on a certain team. While it may provide a quantifiable data where you would be able to see the stats, a person must always do his personal research also. In effect, the data of the AI must apply suppletory with my data for more accurate results.

I guess if I had no time to do my own research, I would let the AI decide on which team has the better stats but I will not completely rely on it.

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It's seems chatgpt has raised a lot of hype. I think ai can make prediction but that too will be like human like pitch condition, weather condition and players strength etc overall like human do, but if using ai maybe they can make prediction easily and show win probability percentages .
But the out come of that match or game will definitely depend on how performance given by the players in the field. Because AI could be prediction but AI can't know that Where will each ball hit from a player . So and the end of the day I think AI could give extra speed on prediction But this is not something that has to be 100% right.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 10, 2023, 02:58:43 AM

It would be interesting only in the sense that AI and more specifically ChatGPT what it does is that it collects information based on what you ask and shows you a big text as an answer to what you have asked.This can be important and a really good feature to use for us sport bettors that don't have time to check all the predictions websites ourselves and ChatGPT can come in handy as it can show us information collected from all these sites so we can immediately have an overview of what other people think for the event we are about to bet on.

Exactly. What most people think of using ChatGPT as an aid in predicting game outcomes is outrightly asking it which team would win lmao. For sure ChatGPT would give you an answer, it is a conversational chatbot after all, but nothing that would be of use to you. Compared to asking it what the odds are for Team A winning over Team B, I bet it would give you more sensible and usable answers with you being the one to process and making an educated guess from the information given to you.

Quote from: Pierre 2 on January 10, 2023, 03:48:59 AM

I lately heard from friend that he used ai to get opinion about his homework (assignment) at university. Well there are many different possibilities which we never used. I think AI may learn how to properly calculate outcomes of best and pick best outcome ever. That would change gambling totally like, gambling houses or sites will never completely surrender so they may offer you far less money than usual etc.

That is still too far in the future to ever happen. We gotta give it to AI for steadily improving in intelligence and sensibility but for it to make a specific sector obsolete, not to mention gambling of all industries, is a little too far from happening. I can see gambling houses and casinos banning its use in the future once it gets smart enough, but it wouldn't certainly stop casinos from operating.

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Why do you think that AI does not show good results in forecasting? On the one hand, we cannot know this, since coefficient providers do not disclose the process of their work (at least until the end) - maybe AI already works great in a much wider range of tasks than we think. On the other hand, I am sure that in live betting, when hundreds of interconnected odds change online, AI elements are definitely used.

AI ~~can~~ cannot predict the future accurately, which is one of the major bases why I also think AI does not show good results in forecasting. Even if it has the ability to gather data, it cannot tell the variable of the match such as the performance of the player during the match, the strategy of the team to use, and many more. AI can give us some hints but will never have the ability to foretell the result of a game no matter how high-tech the AI is.

You say that as if a person or a team of people can accurately predict the future. No one can accurately predict the future, but for any forecaster at a distance, you can determine the average percentage of "hits". Are you sure that an AI that is capable of processing literally any amount of information will predict the results of sports games worse than humans?

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I lately heard from friend that he used ai to get opinion about his homework (assignment) at university. Well there are many different possibilities which we never used. I think AI may learn how to properly calculate outcomes of best and pick best outcome ever. That would change gambling totally like, gambling houses or sites will never completely surrender so they may offer you far less money than usual etc.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2023, 05:11:22 PM

I still haven’t tried this out yet to see how it could work, but I do like all the discussion surrounding it. Personally, I don’t see why using AI would be any different than betting with a newsletter or following someone else’s picks. Who knows, maybe AI would be better. Without trying it out it’s hard to say, but next time I’m messing with ChatGPT I’m definitely going to give it a little test.

Please do it. Maybe you will find a way to circumvent this restriction

but I personally can't imagine how to do it. I think for sports betting you need the latest information about many things that can contribute to the outcome, and if the AI doesn't have access to this information, it can't make the prediction.

(In the picture is the response of ChatGPT to a question about current events).

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 08, 2022, 11:11:37 PM

ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

For sports betting, I think the outcomes it will predict are the same or similar to the outcomes the odds predict, because its predictions will be based on past events, like the past matches between two teams and the past results of every team, so the probabilities it will give should be the same as the odds, it might correctly predict some results, but can't give sure outcomes as there is always a place for surprise result and that happens a lot, specially in football.

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It would be interesting only in the sense that AI and more specifically ChatGPT what it does is that it collects information based on what you ask and shows you a big text as an answer to what you have asked.This can be important and a really good feature to use for us sport bettors that don't have time to check all the predictions websites ourselves and ChatGPT can come in handy as it can show us information collected from all these sites so we can immediately have an overview of what other people think for the event we are about to bet on.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 09, 2023, 02:44:14 PM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 09, 2023, 06:59:44 AM

Maybe we haven't seen a high performance from AI because the technology to predict matches is not enough to collect valid data on the internet. But maybe it will get better in the coming years as new technologies get better than they are now. And if AI technology can really help humans collect more valid information, it will help humans to be able to place bets on teams that really have a greater potential to win than the opposing team. And maybe casinos will also make regulations related to the use of AI itself.

Why do you think that AI does not show good results in forecasting? On the one hand, we cannot know this, since coefficient providers do not disclose the process of their work (at least until the end) - maybe AI already works great in a much wider range of tasks than we think. On the other hand, I am sure that in live betting, when hundreds of interconnected odds change online, AI elements are definitely used.

Maybe it's because I've never used AI before and the AI I've seen is only those in sports betting casinos where it shows the bet levels for each team. Maybe we need more than just providing predictions about one match and that is important information that the AI can collect. If AI technology can help collect this important information and some people already use it, it could help us analyze data from AI.

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Maybe we haven't seen a high performance from AI because the technology to predict matches is not enough to collect valid data on the internet. But maybe it will get better in the coming years as new technologies get better than they are now. And if AI technology can really help humans collect more valid information, it will help humans to be able to place bets on teams that really have a greater potential to win than the opposing team. And maybe casinos will also make regulations related to the use of AI itself.

If reliable artificial intelligence baseed prediction tech on sports gambling would exist, i am pretty sure it's closed source and developers rather use it themselves to make money then sell it to public use. If it doesn't work however work well enough, it will be sold all over the internet as a premium AI prediction service so that devs get at least some profits out of it.

The developer may try it for himself and check whether the technology has started to work optimally or still needs further improvement. And if it works properly, a lot of people will be interested in trying it because at least AI technology can help them predict which team has the chance to win. It may take a few more years to see such a service but we don't know for sure either.

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Quote from: Hispo on January 09, 2023, 08:21:52 PM

That is actually a very good question.
I would personally not let an Artificial intelligence to pick up teams for me, but I would not mind to use AI as a tool to evaluate the statistics of teams in the past and identify patterns.

For example, There are occasions one wants to participate in an specific sport betting but one could not feel confident enough about one's analysis, that is where AI could help by providing a summary of data which could be used to take a final decision on where to place a bet. That is my personal opinion.

That's what we have to do by using AI because after all, we have to have our own analysis and not depend on AI.
That is to hone our ability to analyze every match and improve our abilities later.
If we can have better abilities, it will help us to be able to analyze and not depend on anything.
Maybe using AI can shorten our time in analyzing but we still have to check the results obtained from the AI.

I was also experimenting with the AI there and reading a lot of people's experiences on what they do on chatGPT. I'm sure it can do a lot of wonders since the time it was released. Many experts are saying this could kill google. But I'm not sure if it's going to analyze matches.

Curious to see, I tried if it can analyze Islam vs Volkanovski fight. it replied.
I tried the future matches and the past matches as to what the AI could say and it says the same thing also.

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I'm sorry, but I'm not able to browse the internet or access current information about upcoming matches. My knowledge is based on information that was available to me before my knowledge cutoff in 2021, so I don't have any information about a potential match between Islam Makhachev and Alexander Volkanovski. I recommend following a sports news source or checking with an organization that regulates mixed martial arts events for current information about the match.

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Quote from: Hispo on January 09, 2023, 08:21:52 PM

That is actually a very good question.
I would personally not let an Artificial intelligence to pick up teams for me, but I would not mind to use AI as a tool to evaluate the statistics of teams in the past and identify patterns.

For example, There are occasions one wants to participate in an specific sport betting but one could not feel confident enough about one's analysis, that is where AI could help by providing a summary of data which could be used to take a final decision on where to place a bet. That is my personal opinion.

That's what we have to do by using AI because after all, we have to have our own analysis and not depend on AI.
That is to hone our ability to analyze every match and improve our abilities later.
If we can have better abilities, it will help us to be able to analyze and not depend on anything.
Maybe using AI can shorten our time in analyzing but we still have to check the results obtained from the AI.

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That is actually a very good question.
I would personally not let an Artificial intelligence to pick up teams for me, but I would not mind to use AI as a tool to evaluate the statistics of teams in the past and identify patterns.

For example, There are occasions one wants to participate in an specific sport betting but one could not feel confident enough about one's analysis, that is where AI could help by providing a summary of data which could be used to take a final decision on where to place a bet. That is my personal opinion.

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Quote from: Cantsay on January 09, 2023, 02:23:49 PM

It is same thing as asking me to take away all the fun in gambling. I'm not sure how chatGPT is going to predict outcome of a dice game it will be impossible for chatGPT to predict such a game.
The only aspect where it will work is sport betting and it's going to make it's prediction base on the players or based on what most people post online since it works with information provided to it and sometimes it might mislead it into producing wrong prediction. So I think, I don't have knowledge on how the chatGPT works though I have used a sometime ago when some posted it in the meta board and I asked it some few questions. I haven't tried asking it to predict any game before and I'm not sure if I would ever trust it enough to ask it.

I'm sure that if AI works for predicting sports betting, then the odds from the casinos will be one of the first to use it.

Then the odds will reflect this, and it will not really be an advantage to the user any more.

But there might be different models of AI, and some casinos might not use them in the beginning, etc.

So I guess there might be a chance to actually end up winning a bit with AI predictions.

Again, it's all based on probability, so of course it will get it wrong many times, but maybe over the long term it might have a slight advantage.

Interesting idea.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 09, 2023, 06:59:48 PM

Alright, anyone here who uses the probability to win with these AIs?

How's the experience? Does it yield good winning results or losing instead?

Personally, for me, it's fun using these AIs but more importantly, don't rely purely on them.

You can try doing it. The AI won't show you anything new in sports. When you take 2 opponents in boxing the AI will compare their scores. If one is a current champ it will take it into account.
You can try it and take a fighter with almost no losses vs a fighter with a few lost matches and the AI will favor the one with more wins less losses. If there are bets available the AI will recommend higher odds. It's pretty predictable if you ask me. You can get the same results by doing some research.

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Quote from: Finestream on January 09, 2023, 05:54:42 PM

Quote from: dezoel on January 09, 2023, 03:40:06 PM

I think the reason why we have a lot of people saying no to AI betting is the fact that there are absolutely no examples of it anywhere. Think about it this way, if there was a single AI bot, branded and promoted by a lot of people, with proof of their bets BEFORE the bet and then it happens and the results etc. Would people still say No? Of course not, they would say yes a lot and that brand would sell a bunch of those AI bots to people.

However, as we all can imagine, it is futile because neither it would work, but also it would not be possible to sell it to people, like just buy one and then whatever it says, freely give it away to people.

For now, people would not likely to depend from AI for sports betting prediction since it’s not making a fuss and people are not seeing demands from it that it can be very successful. Although it’s useful in some other means but when it comes to sports betting, only a human mind is more capable to make a valid prediction based on what he sees and feels, things that AI machines are not sufficient enough from doing so.

At the moment, I don't think Chatgpt has it's database for generating answers to users. Google still remains a source for most of the answers the AI provides to its users, and difference between chatgpt and google is that; Chatgpt claim to own the answers unlike google. That is why people tend to believe what the AI says compared to google. Now, gamblers trusts the answers from Chatgpt not knowing that it can be generated from google as well. The AI will definitely get answers from football analytics on top DA blogs and present it to users, most likely the answers would work out as the analyzers make good predictions too. On the contrary, I don't think AI would predict a casino game correctly. This method can only work for sport betting I guess.

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Alright, anyone here who uses the probability to win with these AIs? Or does such AI service already exist now?

How's the experience? Does it yield good winning results or losing instead?

Personally, for me, it's fun using these AIs but more importantly, don't rely purely on them.

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Quote from: Finestream on January 09, 2023, 05:54:42 PM

Quote from: dezoel on January 09, 2023, 03:40:06 PM

I think the reason why we have a lot of people saying no to AI betting is the fact that there are absolutely no examples of it anywhere. Think about it this way, if there was a single AI bot, branded and promoted by a lot of people, with proof of their bets BEFORE the bet and then it happens and the results etc. Would people still say No? Of course not, they would say yes a lot and that brand would sell a bunch of those AI bots to people.

However, as we all can imagine, it is futile because neither it would work, but also it would not be possible to sell it to people, like just buy one and then whatever it says, freely give it away to people.

For now, people would not likely to depend from AI for sports betting prediction since it’s not making a fuss and people are not seeing demands from it that it can be very successful. Although it’s useful in some other means but when it comes to sports betting, only a human mind is more capable to make a valid prediction based on what he sees and feels, things that AI machines are not sufficient enough from doing so.

We've been making out some analysis out of our bets before AI had existed and some do still able to make some good profits with it, there's no need for us to switch up or trying out to mess up our common ways
on how to deal with sports betting.It is really just that a shit assumption for us to believe that it does work and surprisingly there are people whom do really believe up into these kind of claims.
For sure there are ones who would really be testing out for themselves and would be finding out that it wasnt really that effective just like what other people is trying to claim about this.
We would be able to test it out and find out on whats the truth about these AI's.

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Quote from: dezoel on January 09, 2023, 03:40:06 PM

I think the reason why we have a lot of people saying no to AI betting is the fact that there are absolutely no examples of it anywhere. Think about it this way, if there was a single AI bot, branded and promoted by a lot of people, with proof of their bets BEFORE the bet and then it happens and the results etc. Would people still say No? Of course not, they would say yes a lot and that brand would sell a bunch of those AI bots to people.

However, as we all can imagine, it is futile because neither it would work, but also it would not be possible to sell it to people, like just buy one and then whatever it says, freely give it away to people.

For now, people would not likely to depend from AI for sports betting prediction since it’s not making a fuss and people are not seeing demands from it that it can be very successful. Although it’s useful in some other means but when it comes to sports betting, only a human mind is more capable to make a valid prediction based on what he sees and feels, things that AI machines are not sufficient enough from doing so.

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