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Quote from: Russlenat on January 12, 2023, 04:59:05 PM

Let’s just say that AI may be good in some aspects when it comes to giving accurate answers but I don’t see it working when it comes to gambling predictions. Especially in sports betting where everything relies on team member’s performance and to say that they comes with uncertain moves, so every details in it would never be accurately predicted. It’s still best to settle with our own good and practical analysis based on real events, especially that we are betting our own money on this.

But people still uses A.I in trading and are making huge profits. So why do you think such can't be made especially in football whereby all records, team performance, number of corners, team with the most ball possession, total number of match won are always uploaded online immediately after each game or even during the game. Because there is equally no best sport an A.I can predict better than Soccer, MMA, Basketball, table tennis and American football, simply because all the data it needs for analysis is already available online.
So this A.I "ChatGPT" ever since it was released in December last year, has proven A.I can actually do a whole lot of thing. And there is this rumor I just heard about "Microsoft" promising to support the company behind t ChatGPT with $20billion, but don't know how true is this.
Moreover, I just checked the site now, and found out ChatGPT is currently on an upgrade due to the massive increase in site traffic and equally planning to include both free and professional (paid) version.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 12, 2023, 04:59:05 PM

Let’s just say that AI may be good in some aspects when it comes to giving accurate answers but I don’t see it working when it comes to gambling predictions. Especially in sports betting where everything relies on team member’s performance and to say that they comes with uncertain moves, so every details in it would never be accurately predicted. It’s still best to settle with our own good and practical analysis based on real events, especially that we are betting our own money on this.

There may be a time when AI can really help us collect the data we need to choose a team with greater potential to win than the opposing team. And if this can happen, people who use AI technology can expect to win from the sports bets they choose. In addition, later, by using AI technology, we can get useful information for us and provide more data about each team's game. But we must remember that even though we can get more information, we still have to limit the use of money to bet.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 12, 2023, 04:59:05 PM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

I guess that alone is enough answer whether AI can predict outcomes or not. Maybe there are some here who can crack the code and can get something from the ChatGPT, but I guess relying on statistics is way better than relying on AI when it comes to predicting outcomes. Another question is that, can you trust your money to an AI? ChatGPT isn't updated and the information that it is giving to us are the ones that it got until 2021 which means what happened in 2022 and this year (if there are some) aren't in the ChatGPT therefore, it is a bit of outdated. Nevertheless, give it at least 3-5 years then we will see a better one than what we are seeing right now.

Let’s just say that AI may be good in some aspects when it comes to giving accurate answers but I don’t see it working when it comes to gambling predictions. Especially in sports betting where everything relies on team member’s performance and to say that they comes with uncertain moves, so every details in it would never be accurately predicted. It’s still best to settle with our own good and practical analysis based on real events, especially that we are betting our own money on this.

When we do talk about speculative approach or something that do really talks about in this regard then AI isnt something that you could really rely or depend on.When it comes to information seeking
and facts then no doubt that these things are really indeed helpful but on speculations and presumptions then it isnt something that they could well handled and there's no much better compared
to human beings which are really that much better when it comes to handling out and making up guesses basing on the current events that they are seeing or witnessing which
is something that AI couldnt be able to handle it out on point.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

I guess that alone is enough answer whether AI can predict outcomes or not. Maybe there are some here who can crack the code and can get something from the ChatGPT, but I guess relying on statistics is way better than relying on AI when it comes to predicting outcomes. Another question is that, can you trust your money to an AI? ChatGPT isn't updated and the information that it is giving to us are the ones that it got until 2021 which means what happened in 2022 and this year (if there are some) aren't in the ChatGPT therefore, it is a bit of outdated. Nevertheless, give it at least 3-5 years then we will see a better one than what we are seeing right now.

You are right in this part mate. That answer of AI alone clearly tell that they will never be reliable in sports betting as every outcome or end game comes with surprise as to how each player performs in the game, regardless if there are current issues that have suddenly arises while the game is ongoing. But with respect to AI, let’s give them enough time to improve their system and after that, maybe we can already rely to their predictions.

I believe chatgpt last training data cut off is 2021. so basically the information chatgpt has is only until 2021 and as far as I know chatgpt AI is not programmed to gather information on the internet so there is really no way for chatgpt to know the outcome of sports nor compare the team statistics because its access is very limited. That said, I also think that AI having limited access will no way predict the sports outcome precisely.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

I guess that alone is enough answer whether AI can predict outcomes or not. Maybe there are some here who can crack the code and can get something from the ChatGPT, but I guess relying on statistics is way better than relying on AI when it comes to predicting outcomes. Another question is that, can you trust your money to an AI? ChatGPT isn't updated and the information that it is giving to us are the ones that it got until 2021 which means what happened in 2022 and this year (if there are some) aren't in the ChatGPT therefore, it is a bit of outdated. Nevertheless, give it at least 3-5 years then we will see a better one than what we are seeing right now.

Let’s just say that AI may be good in some aspects when it comes to giving accurate answers but I don’t see it working when it comes to gambling predictions. Especially in sports betting where everything relies on team member’s performance and to say that they comes with uncertain moves, so every details in it would never be accurately predicted. It’s still best to settle with our own good and practical analysis based on real events, especially that we are betting our own money on this.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

I guess that alone is enough answer whether AI can predict outcomes or not. Maybe there are some here who can crack the code and can get something from the ChatGPT, but I guess relying on statistics is way better than relying on AI when it comes to predicting outcomes. Another question is that, can you trust your money to an AI? ChatGPT isn't updated and the information that it is giving to us are the ones that it got until 2021 which means what happened in 2022 and this year (if there are some) aren't in the ChatGPT therefore, it is a bit of outdated. Nevertheless, give it at least 3-5 years then we will see a better one than what we are seeing right now.

You are right in this part mate. That answer of AI alone clearly tell that they will never be reliable in sports betting as every outcome or end game comes with surprise as to how each player performs in the game, regardless if there are current issues that have suddenly arises while the game is ongoing. But with respect to AI, let’s give them enough time to improve their system and after that, maybe we can already rely to their predictions.

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It would be interesting only in the sense that AI and more specifically ChatGPT what it does is that it collects information based on what you ask and shows you a big text as an answer to what you have asked.This can be important and a really good feature to use for us sport bettors that don't have time to check all the predictions websites ourselves and ChatGPT can come in handy as it can show us information collected from all these sites so we can immediately have an overview of what other people think for the event we are about to bet on.

^Probably I will give it a try, there is nothing wrong with that. If the AI will give a result the same as my prediction, probably I will follow AI. It needs time to prove if the AI gives consistency in results. But if proven that AI is not reliable in prediction, I will definitely rather use my own predictions rather than rely on the AI's hand. To be honest, I did not use AI or any bots to predict betting, I always have my own research before putting my fund into a betting place and make sure I have a background on the players. So it depends on the result if I am satisfied with it.

It’s not bad if we also try how reliable this AI, because if it can actually give us good outcome particularly in sports betting, then why not? But it should never a big amount at first, just the minimal one so that once it’s lose, it won’t be a big deal for us. I have not encountered using this AI nor heard from other gamblers that they are actually using this one, as I’m more into self-analysis from the facts I’ve gained, but if they can be reliable in some aspects, I think they can be worth trying too with sports betting.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

Fair enough. Good thing they have embedded this reply to the bot so that there already is a heads up when it comes to these questions. Its creators know that there will be people that will use the AI to predict certain events, so they already prevented that to happen by placing disclaimers about this non-feature on the AI.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 11, 2023, 09:50:13 PM

Maybe there are some here who can crack the code and can get something from the ChatGPT, but I guess relying on statistics is way better than relying on AI when it comes to predicting outcomes. Another question is that, can you trust your money to an AI? ChatGPT isn't updated and the information that it is giving to us are the ones that it got until 2021 which means what happened in 2022 and this year (if there are some) aren't in the ChatGPT therefore, it is a bit of outdated. Nevertheless, give it at least 3-5 years then we will see a better one than what we are seeing right now.

There are a lot of AIs that are already predicting short-term events such as the one that they use in stock market firms. They have banked a lot on these AI to make predictions out of past movements and a lot of other algorithms to make them some money, and I think those are working quite well because they are constantly developing those AIs to adapt to the situation. I guess those AIs may not be able to predict NBA games and sports events, but they can be utilized by those in the finance sector to make decisions on the fly and convert those into profits.

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Quote from: kamvreto on January 11, 2023, 08:18:16 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 11, 2023, 08:04:57 AM

Anything that can be expressed in numbers AI can process better than humans, so we can say that if somewhere AI is still not good enough, it's only because humans (or automated tools) are not good enough at digitizing some data. If there is some data that cannot be digitized (for example, mood or something like that), then this is also easily taken into account in the forecast simply based on statistics - for example, in women's tennis, which is famous for being more random than men's quotes for winning a set/game, they have a corresponding adjustment.

so based on what you explained, AI still depends on some data that can be digitized and some data that cannot be digitized will need help from humans. AI will help in terms of data processing to make it more perfect.
Every system is not perfect, there will be some weaknesses that require contributions from other systems. AI is only artificial intelligence that can still be engineered, and there will be some bugs that might occur.

At the moment this is the case, but this does not mean that nothing will change. If you remember, at first the simplest prototypes of AI (neural networks) in order to succeed in games (chess, renju, go) were trained with the help of a person. The second stage was that they self-learned completely without human intervention. Over time, this may happen in sports analytics, although now it sounds fantastic.

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Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2023, 05:11:22 PM

I still haven’t tried this out yet to see how it could work, but I do like all the discussion surrounding it. Personally, I don’t see why using AI would be any different than betting with a newsletter or following someone else’s picks. Who knows, maybe AI would be better. Without trying it out it’s hard to say, but next time I’m messing with ChatGPT I’m definitely going to give it a little test.

I think when it comes to data collection, analysis, and comparison of every player, if AI has all the access to the data of each team and player, I believe the AI will come up with a better analogy than a veteran analyst. AI removes emotions that somehow affect a person's view since favoritism vague a person's decision. So personally, I think AI is different from newsletters because it will come up with a better version of analogy and prediction.

AI have entered each and every sector. Now this isn't big to discuss. The usage of AI into gambling industry doesn't look to be more interesting, because it does the prediction based on the data available along with the past results comparison. I don't know whether it'll have the ability to watch the match scenario and predict the outcome according to the situation.

Everyone has been talking about Chagpt, and as many have said, the AI only has information up to the year 2021, and it cannot make predictions, of course I don't know what the true scope of the AI will be, that it can make predictions to do but it can't do them due to its programming for now, but it is obvious that it can solve many statistics and probabilities quickly, and that is a pretty strong tool when it comes to requesting any information that can be calculated in a short time, when in a way Manual and with the degree of knowledge of some books, it can take a reasonable time. Later, it may be that premium services of that chatgpt or more AI will come out, which can offer it as an additional service.

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Quote from: boltz on January 11, 2023, 08:37:33 AM

From time to time I use forebet to see what the AI predicted for the games I want to put a bet on but most of the times , AI predictions are completely wrong and barely hits anything. Besides this , why we should trust an AI predictions ? The information gathered and inserted into the program is simply way to much for an AI to predict accurate but some games from different competitions could be almost predictable as long as you insert good information and you track those teams , players , injuries etc....basically all the important data.

AI may seem beneficial in some aspects since it can predict the outcome well, but I don’t think it can also create a correct prediction in different gambling games most particularly in sports betting. Sports betting outcome will never be fixed and certain as everything has something to do with the present condition of the team players that will affect it’s over all performance in the game. So I don’t see AI is useful when it comes to that. I would still prefer using my own way of analyzing the game based on what I saw and observed during the game.

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I tried to ask ChatGPT if it can predict the winner of an NBA game and this is what it said:

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I am not able to predict the winner of NBA games because I am a language model trained on a large dataset of text and do not have access to real-time information about the games or the teams. Additionally, there are many factors that can affect the outcome of a game, such as injuries, team dynamics, and the performance of individual players, that are difficult to predict.

I guess that alone is enough answer whether AI can predict outcomes or not. Maybe there are some here who can crack the code and can get something from the ChatGPT, but I guess relying on statistics is way better than relying on AI when it comes to predicting outcomes. Another question is that, can you trust your money to an AI? ChatGPT isn't updated and the information that it is giving to us are the ones that it got until 2021 which means what happened in 2022 and this year (if there are some) aren't in the ChatGPT therefore, it is a bit of outdated. Nevertheless, give it at least 3-5 years then we will see a better one than what we are seeing right now.

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Quote from: boltz on January 11, 2023, 08:37:33 AM

From time to time I use forebet to see what the AI predicted for the games I want to put a bet on but most of the times , AI predictions are completely wrong and barely hits anything. Besides this , why we should trust an AI predictions ? The information gathered and inserted into the program is simply way to much for an AI to predict accurate but some games from different competitions could be almost predictable as long as you insert good information and you track those teams , players , injuries etc....basically all the important data.

I don't hear that kind of AI you are using, Is it a free AI predicting tool that is focused on gambling predictions? I don't know if there are AI prediction tool that is offering up as a premium and has a great accuracy rate. I believe it is depending on how the AI is made and what kind of information is being fed to the AI to make the prediction. The recent trending ChatGPT is a very strong AI that I believe has a capability to do gambling predictions but yeah I don't know if someone is using it and don't know how much accuracy it has.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on January 10, 2023, 03:48:59 AM

I lately heard from friend that he used ai to get opinion about his homework (assignment) at university. Well there are many different possibilities which we never used. I think AI may learn how to properly calculate outcomes of best and pick best outcome ever. That would change gambling totally like, gambling houses or sites will never completely surrender so they may offer you far less money than usual etc.

That's still quite risky, I understand that it's a lot harder to catch compared to just finding something online and copy pasting it, because teacher will catch that instantly and that's easy to handle. However, if you use chatgpt to write your homework, the teacher could simply ask the same thing to chatgpt and check the results and see if it is good or not as well.

I personally believe that it's quite risky to do that for now, it would be possible a bit later on in a few years but don't think it's 100% safe for now. Still, if a teacher is too old to handle it, then it's easier to do because it would be unlikely for any old teacher to find that out.

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From time to time I use forebet to see what the AI predicted for the games I want to put a bet on but most of the times , AI predictions are completely wrong and barely hits anything. Besides this , why we should trust an AI predictions ? The information gathered and inserted into the program is simply way to much for an AI to predict accurate but some games from different competitions could be almost predictable as long as you insert good information and you track those teams , players , injuries etc....basically all the important data.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 11, 2023, 08:04:57 AM

Anything that can be expressed in numbers AI can process better than humans, so we can say that if somewhere AI is still not good enough, it's only because humans (or automated tools) are not good enough at digitizing some data. If there is some data that cannot be digitized (for example, mood or something like that), then this is also easily taken into account in the forecast simply based on statistics - for example, in women's tennis, which is famous for being more random than men's quotes for winning a set/game, they have a corresponding adjustment.

so based on what you explained, AI still depends on some data that can be digitized and some data that cannot be digitized will need help from humans. AI will help in terms of data processing to make it more perfect.
Every system is not perfect, there will be some weaknesses that require contributions from other systems. AI is only artificial intelligence that can still be engineered, and there will be some bugs that might occur.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 10, 2023, 12:02:46 PM

You say that as if a person or a team of people can accurately predict the future. No one can accurately predict the future, but for any forecaster at a distance, you can determine the average percentage of "hits". Are you sure that an AI that is capable of processing literally any amount of information will predict the results of sports games worse than humans?

AI is created by humans but it could really be that superior on the time that it would really be evolving or getting its library to be huge scale but we know that there are really things in life which bots cant really be able to predict nor able to handle out specially on sudden change of some fundamentals which only human could make out that deciding factor.It is really just that there are things which humans could really be able to assess it out and would make out some decisions basing on that particular situation or condition.In the end of the day on which its never been recommendable for you to make use of AI to
predict outcomes because if it does work then all of us would really be using it.

Anything that can be expressed in numbers AI can process better than humans, so we can say that if somewhere AI is still not good enough, it's only because humans (or automated tools) are not good enough at digitizing some data. If there is some data that cannot be digitized (for example, mood or something like that), then this is also easily taken into account in the forecast simply based on statistics - for example, in women's tennis, which is famous for being more random than men's quotes for winning a set/game, they have a corresponding adjustment.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 10, 2023, 03:16:08 AM

Quote from: OgNasty on January 05, 2023, 05:11:22 PM

I still haven’t tried this out yet to see how it could work, but I do like all the discussion surrounding it. Personally, I don’t see why using AI would be any different than betting with a newsletter or following someone else’s picks. Who knows, maybe AI would be better. Without trying it out it’s hard to say, but next time I’m messing with ChatGPT I’m definitely going to give it a little test.

Please do it. Maybe you will find a way to circumvent this restriction

but I personally can't imagine how to do it. I think for sports betting you need the latest information about many things that can contribute to the outcome, and if the AI doesn't have access to this information, it can't make the prediction.

(In the picture is the response of ChatGPT to a question about current events).

Practically what was said to me too. It also could process data before Sept 2021, so it can't say something about the fights after this date but with only few details.

Maybe by the next updated version is possible that the AI will compare teams and the athlete's competence for the advantages and disadvantages to be reviewed and then the AI can provide the possible outcomes of the game.

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on January 10, 2023, 03:48:59 AM

I lately heard from friend that he used ai to get opinion about his homework (assignment) at university. Well there are many different possibilities which we never used. I think AI may learn how to properly calculate outcomes of best and pick best outcome ever. That would change gambling totally like, gambling houses or sites will never completely surrender so they may offer you far less money than usual etc.

As far as I tried recently it didn't work to predict the match to be held, you can see the member's explanation above your post, maybe there will be an update of this technology so that it can predict the match to be held even though I'm sure it won't give 100% correct. Every time a new technology appears, it is very likely to affect people's habits, including betting on sports matches.

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ChatGPT is all the rage at the moment. I’ve seen that people are asking it to predict sporting events. Would you leave gambling decisions up to artificial intelligence? Do you see any potential drawbacks for outsourcing your bets to a software program? Has anyone here tried this yet? Do we need someone to put together a thread of ChatGPT predictions to see how accurate they are? Any other thoughts?

For sports betting, I think the outcomes it will predict are the same or similar to the outcomes the odds predict, because its predictions will be based on past events, like the past matches between two teams and the past results of every team, so the probabilities it will give should be the same as the odds, it might correctly predict some results, but can't give sure outcomes as there is always a place for surprise result and that happens a lot, specially in football.

I wonder if you could preface the prediction with something. For example, tell ChatGPT to pretend it is a famous gambler who always gets the winner right regardless of if it's an underdog or not. Maybe specify some other ridiculous backstory for it to include in it's predictions. Who knows, maybe you'll stumble upon the secret sauce. I think if you introduced some interesting variables, maybe the predictions would be more than just whoever is favored to win. I think if you can get that special sauce for it to start making genuine predictions based on something other than the odds, it could get fun and exciting pretty quickly. Still on my to-do list.

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