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ETN Miners,

Are others having problems with ETN deposits to Cryptopia showing up recently?  

Are they doing some type of unmentioned ETN Deposit maintenance?

I've sent Cryptopia over 1,000,000 ETN but my last two deposits don't even show up as pending and they have over 400 confirmations when I check the blockchain. It's been 15? hours now and yesterday morning it took hours for deposits to show up now nothing at all.

Also, It would partly explain the quick rise in ETN price. Without any new deposits from miners they can't deposit and dump them, as usual, causing a price increase and also causing a supply shortage.




Wallet currently under maintenance, this only happened recently. They say it will be back up soon and transactions will go through when it is working again. Nothing to worry about.
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ETN Miners,

Are others having problems with ETN deposits to Cryptopia showing up recently?  

Are they doing some type of unmentioned ETN Deposit maintenance?

I've sent Cryptopia over 1,000,000 ETN but my last two deposits don't even show up as pending and they have over 400 confirmations when I check the blockchain. It's been 15? hours now and yesterday morning it took hours for deposits to show up now nothing at all.

Also, It would partly explain the quick rise in ETN price. Without any new deposits from miners they can't deposit and dump them, as usual, causing a price increase and also causing a supply shortage.


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..hello..someone can help me..i downloaded the wallet of electroneum..it says that i need to update it..and when i updated it..nothing happens..could you give me other option if where i can download the running Apps of it..thanx..

Which electroneum wallet are you having problem with. Give us a link to it so it might help us diagnose the problem.
The only two wallets I know of are the official command line wallet and the unofficial GUI wallet.

Official CMD: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/releases
Unofficial GUI: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anngui-wallet-linuxwindows-electroneum-multipools-gui-wallet-unofifcial-2444581

There is an offline paper wallet too: https://downloads.electroneum.com/offline_paper_electroneum_walletV1.5.html

Help topics:
https://medium.com/@xikimay_33996/how-to-create-an-electroneum-wallet-and-how-to-use-it-b00b787d5bd7
https://medium.com/@xikimay_33996/importing-your-paper-wallet-to-your-cli-wallet-9e788be08a1a

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Jeez i wanted to buy some coins but every page i read in this thread SO MUCH DRAMA
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Can you please confirm if there is double spending of ETN coins within your Network?
According to your github: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
ETN carries only 2 decimals: #define CRYPTONOTE_DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT      2

If that is the case, how is the only exchange trading ETN able to execute BUY/SELL orders of up to 8 decimal places?


https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETN_BTC
4/12/2017 3:00:48 AM
Buy   
0.00000645
509.27733333
0.00328484

No explorer exists with a record of greater than (2) decimal places transactions, show where do the additional (6) decimal places of ETN come from?


Thanks

You're not actually trading coins directly between wallets on a coin exchange, once your deposit is credited to your account the balance exists as a database entry and is incremented/decremented based upon trading, deposits and withdrawals. Essentially your coins become virtual so the decimal point rules of the client itself become irrelevant at that point. An exchange could add as many decimal points as they want but most stick with 8 because that's the standard set by Bitcoin.

The only time the 2 decimal point limitation would be an issue would be at the time you come to withdraw as the client won't allow you to send transactions with more than 2 decimal points anything in the remaining 6 decimal spaces would be dust that you can't withdraw.
Thanks for your explanation but it begs the question
if I buy .115 ETN
and buy again .115 ETN
that creates .01 ETN a valid decimal place and amount able to send or rcve.

How are the additional (6) decimal places created?

Trades are not on the blockchain and as such not limited to the same rules, there could be any number of decemal places but as soon as you try to withdraw (move the coins onto the blockchain) you will be forced to obey its rules which will generally mean any value after the first 2 decemal places wont be transferable. The same thing happens with NEO which only operates on whole numbers.
By executeing the below trades I was successfully able to send 0.0129209 ETN created

So if cryptopia is arbitrarily adding the additional (6) decimal amount then what accounting system creates these partial coins?
or If it execute a trade for 15.11 is cryptopia reducing that amount and then adding the addtional (6) decimal amount ?

4/12/2017 4:37:23 AM
Buy   
0.00000651
3188.54610288
0.02075744


4/12/2017 4:37:14 AM
Buy   
0.00000651
1195.84333637
0.0077849



7.89646045 ETN @ 0.00000652 BTC = 0.00005159 BTC total
again i bought
7.89646045 ETN @ 0.00000652 BTC = 0.00005159 BTC total


.00646045 + .00646045 = 0.0129209 ETN

I am now able to spend this 0.0129209 ETN

Is this not double spending?

Example;

Someone puts 0.01ETN on an exchange.

He sells that 0.01ETN to 10 people, now they each have 0.001ETN. They cant withdraw that ammount because its invalid on the blockchain but Cryptopia still have 0.01ETN (a valid amount).

Eventually one of them buys the other 9 peoples 0.001ETN and now has 0.01ETN, he can now transfer that off the exchange because it is a valid amount.

No coins were created or double spent etc. in that process, Cryptopia kept a ledger of who owns what out of the total pool and settled at the point of withdrawal, the number of decemal places is irrelevant up to this point as it is all happening off the blockchain.
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Can you please confirm if there is double spending of ETN coins within your Network?
According to your github: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
ETN carries only 2 decimals: #define CRYPTONOTE_DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT      2

If that is the case, how is the only exchange trading ETN able to execute BUY/SELL orders of up to 8 decimal places?


https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETN_BTC
4/12/2017 3:00:48 AM
Buy   
0.00000645
509.27733333
0.00328484

No explorer exists with a record of greater than (2) decimal places transactions, show where do the additional (6) decimal places of ETN come from?


Thanks

You're not actually trading coins directly between wallets on a coin exchange, once your deposit is credited to your account the balance exists as a database entry and is incremented/decremented based upon trading, deposits and withdrawals. Essentially your coins become virtual so the decimal point rules of the client itself become irrelevant at that point. An exchange could add as many decimal points as they want but most stick with 8 because that's the standard set by Bitcoin.

The only time the 2 decimal point limitation would be an issue would be at the time you come to withdraw as the client won't allow you to send transactions with more than 2 decimal points anything in the remaining 6 decimal spaces would be dust that you can't withdraw.
Thanks for your explanation but it begs the question
if I buy .115 ETN
and buy again .115 ETN
that creates .01 ETN a valid decimal place and amount able to send or rcve.

How are the additional (6) decimal places created?

Trades are not on the blockchain and as such not limited to the same rules, there could be any number of decemal places but as soon as you try to withdraw (move the coins onto the blockchain) you will be forced to obey its rules which will generally mean any value after the first 2 decemal places wont be transferable. The same thing happens with NEO which only operates on whole numbers.
By executeing the below trades I was successfully able to send 0.0129209 ETN created

So if cryptopia is arbitrarily adding the additional (6) decimal amount then what accounting system creates these partial coins?
or If it execute a trade for 15.11 is cryptopia reducing that amount and then adding the addtional (6) decimal amount ?

4/12/2017 4:37:23 AM
Buy   
0.00000651
3188.54610288
0.02075744


4/12/2017 4:37:14 AM
Buy   
0.00000651
1195.84333637
0.0077849



7.89646045 ETN @ 0.00000652 BTC = 0.00005159 BTC total
again i bought
7.89646045 ETN @ 0.00000652 BTC = 0.00005159 BTC total


.00646045 + .00646045 = 0.0129209 ETN

I am now able to spend this 0.0129209 ETN

Is this not double spending?
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Can you please confirm if there is double spending of ETN coins within your Network?
According to your github: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
ETN carries only 2 decimals: #define CRYPTONOTE_DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT      2

If that is the case, how is the only exchange trading ETN able to execute BUY/SELL orders of up to 8 decimal places?


https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETN_BTC
4/12/2017 3:00:48 AM
Buy   
0.00000645
509.27733333
0.00328484

No explorer exists with a record of greater than (2) decimal places transactions, show where do the additional (6) decimal places of ETN come from?


Thanks

You're not actually trading coins directly between wallets on a coin exchange, once your deposit is credited to your account the balance exists as a database entry and is incremented/decremented based upon trading, deposits and withdrawals. Essentially your coins become virtual so the decimal point rules of the client itself become irrelevant at that point. An exchange could add as many decimal points as they want but most stick with 8 because that's the standard set by Bitcoin.

The only time the 2 decimal point limitation would be an issue would be at the time you come to withdraw as the client won't allow you to send transactions with more than 2 decimal points anything in the remaining 6 decimal spaces would be dust that you can't withdraw.
Thanks for your explanation but it begs the question
if I buy .115 ETN
and buy again .115 ETN
that creates .01 ETN a valid decimal place and amount able to send or rcve.

How are the additional (6) decimal places created?

Trades are not on the blockchain and as such not limited to the same rules, there could be any number of decemal places but as soon as you try to withdraw (move the coins onto the blockchain) you will be forced to obey its rules which will generally mean any value after the first 2 decemal places wont be transferable. The same thing happens with NEO which only operates on whole numbers.
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Can you please confirm if there is double spending of ETN coins within your Network?
According to your github: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
ETN carries only 2 decimals: #define CRYPTONOTE_DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT      2

If that is the case, how is the only exchange trading ETN able to execute BUY/SELL orders of up to 8 decimal places?


https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETN_BTC
4/12/2017 3:00:48 AM
Buy   
0.00000645
509.27733333
0.00328484

No explorer exists with a record of greater than (2) decimal places transactions, show where do the additional (6) decimal places of ETN come from?


Thanks

You're not actually trading coins directly between wallets on a coin exchange, once your deposit is credited to your account the balance exists as a database entry and is incremented/decremented based upon trading, deposits and withdrawals. Essentially your coins become virtual so the decimal point rules of the client itself become irrelevant at that point. An exchange could add as many decimal points as they want but most stick with 8 because that's the standard set by Bitcoin.

The only time the 2 decimal point limitation would be an issue would be at the time you come to withdraw as the client won't allow you to send transactions with more than 2 decimal points anything in the remaining 6 decimal spaces would be dust that you can't withdraw.

For my experience it is not possible, if you you hit buy/sell you will get an error on cryptopia and it auto sets to 2 decimals.
I was just able to execute the following orders on cryptopia

Buy   
0.00000651
1195.84333637
0.0077849

4/12/2017 4:37:23 AM
Buy   
0.00000651
3188.54610288
0.02075744



7.89646045 ETN @ 0.00000652 BTC = 0.00005159 BTC total
again i bought
7.89646045 ETN @ 0.00000652 BTC = 0.00005159 BTC total


.00646045 + .00646045 = 0.0129209 ETN

I am now able to spend this 0.0129209 ETN

Is this not double spending?
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Can you please confirm if there is double spending of ETN coins within your Network?
According to your github: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
ETN carries only 2 decimals: #define CRYPTONOTE_DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT      2

If that is the case, how is the only exchange trading ETN able to execute BUY/SELL orders of up to 8 decimal places?


https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETN_BTC
4/12/2017 3:00:48 AM
Buy   
0.00000645
509.27733333
0.00328484

No explorer exists with a record of greater than (2) decimal places transactions, show where do the additional (6) decimal places of ETN come from?


Thanks

You're not actually trading coins directly between wallets on a coin exchange, once your deposit is credited to your account the balance exists as a database entry and is incremented/decremented based upon trading, deposits and withdrawals. Essentially your coins become virtual so the decimal point rules of the client itself become irrelevant at that point. An exchange could add as many decimal points as they want but most stick with 8 because that's the standard set by Bitcoin.

The only time the 2 decimal point limitation would be an issue would be at the time you come to withdraw as the client won't allow you to send transactions with more than 2 decimal points anything in the remaining 6 decimal spaces would be dust that you can't withdraw.

For my experience it is not possible, if you you hit buy/sell you will get an error on cryptopia and it auto sets to 2 decimals.
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Can you please confirm if there is double spending of ETN coins within your Network?
According to your github: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
ETN carries only 2 decimals: #define CRYPTONOTE_DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT      2

If that is the case, how is the only exchange trading ETN able to execute BUY/SELL orders of up to 8 decimal places?


https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETN_BTC
4/12/2017 3:00:48 AM
Buy   
0.00000645
509.27733333
0.00328484

No explorer exists with a record of greater than (2) decimal places transactions, show where do the additional (6) decimal places of ETN come from?


Thanks

You're not actually trading coins directly between wallets on a coin exchange, once your deposit is credited to your account the balance exists as a database entry and is incremented/decremented based upon trading, deposits and withdrawals. Essentially your coins become virtual so the decimal point rules of the client itself become irrelevant at that point. An exchange could add as many decimal points as they want but most stick with 8 because that's the standard set by Bitcoin.

The only time the 2 decimal point limitation would be an issue would be at the time you come to withdraw as the client won't allow you to send transactions with more than 2 decimal points anything in the remaining 6 decimal spaces would be dust that you can't withdraw.
Thanks for your explanation but it begs the question
if I buy .115 ETN
and buy again .115 ETN
that creates .01 ETN a valid decimal place and amount able to send or rcve.

How are the additional (6) decimal places created?
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Can you please confirm if there is double spending of ETN coins within your Network?
According to your github: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
ETN carries only 2 decimals: #define CRYPTONOTE_DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT      2

If that is the case, how is the only exchange trading ETN able to execute BUY/SELL orders of up to 8 decimal places?


https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETN_BTC
4/12/2017 3:00:48 AM
Buy   
0.00000645
509.27733333
0.00328484

No explorer exists with a record of greater than (2) decimal places transactions, show where do the additional (6) decimal places of ETN come from?


Thanks

You're not actually trading coins directly between wallets on a coin exchange, once your deposit is credited to your account the balance exists as a database entry and is incremented/decremented based upon trading, deposits and withdrawals. Essentially your coins become virtual so the decimal point rules of the client itself become irrelevant at that point. An exchange could add as many decimal points as they want but most stick with 8 because that's the standard set by Bitcoin.

The only time the 2 decimal point limitation would be an issue would be at the time you come to withdraw as the client won't allow you to send transactions with more than 2 decimal points anything in the remaining 6 decimal spaces would be dust that you can't withdraw.
newbie
Activity: 33
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Can you please confirm if there is double spending of ETN coins within your Network?
According to your github: https://github.com/electroneum/electroneum/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h
ETN carries only 2 decimals: #define CRYPTONOTE_DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT      2

If that is the case, how is the only exchange trading ETN able to execute BUY/SELL orders of up to 8 decimal places?


https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=ETN_BTC
4/12/2017 3:00:48 AM
Buy   
0.00000645
509.27733333
0.00328484

No explorer exists with a record of greater than (2) decimal places transactions, show where do the additional (6) decimal places of ETN come from?


Thanks
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Cryptopia wallet in maintance.
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Contraband could you kindly ask the team to send the coins mined to this address etnk6DnM79BWK5ZM8kCczCEpfTcAJMirhDLziDGZeViHg1mW1ThDo9kCUx9hydwjkuHr1oUNhHhFU68 AG1AsBF2r6dhvjgmVD2
When the pool front end went down on the US dev team pool we lost roughly 4 hours of mining at 40,000 (40 k/h) hashes speed when it went down in the first 24 hours.

If you could just have them send these it would be greatly appreciated by our team. Thanks in advance just pm me when sent if possible.

Kryptkeeper1979 I am warning you publicly that you are not to post in this self moderated thread again.

The mod mprep told me to write this and if you post again you will be banned

I just wanted to make sure you understand the importance and potential loss for our team so you do not think I'm joking or trying to fud. Here is our team's account, and picture verification after the US ETN official developer pool stopped paying out.

...sinp...

Please let us know when we can expect our payout, thanks. The pending payout is absolutely incorrect vs. the shares it stopped counting that we submitted.



Contraband, i sent the ETN team an email. It wasn't a pleasant email because I am no longer able to wait for a response more than 2 weeks now. Unless every employee i saw in their videos is a developer can you ask them kindly to look again at the email I sent from our teams email [email protected] and handle this issue. I was notified the official pool is now live.

I assume the coins our team was not paid out should have been sent at this point. Pm me the phone number or direct contact to their team because I believe they are not taking our issue serious and perhaps I can explain that better verbally.

Thanks.



Is it safe to consider at this stage our team has been scammed out of the coins we are owed due to 'technical errors' by the Electroneum team and their official pool on launch? Let us know so I can relay this to our community.

It would be nice to get some clarity on this, whether the coins are there or if they have dissapeared into the abyss, and ideally a bit of info on why if that is the case.

I know I was mining on that pool for ~10hrs without reward because my miners were successfully submitting shares so no red flags were thrown, it was only after I got back from work and checked my wallet did I realise there had been no payouts during that period.

The same happened to me on a small scale https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.24311261

What could I do? really nothing ... notify here, but I am only recommended to change the group ... but ahem and the currency that i have mined? What happened to them?

Also the same thing happened to another person who sent a ticket and I risk saying that he is still waiting for an answer
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Hey look there are crap posts, but legit ones too. How else are you going to get queries answered re this coin if you don't ask. It cant stop if its legit, and if it is, then we investors will be glad to know of it.

I agree there are legit posts in here. Investors are concerned with the money that they have invested in the coin. However, it's the same questions that get asked without reading a few posts earlier. In the world of crypto even a couple of days feels like a lifetime. We may need to wait till the 2nd week of December to see an official announcement. Until that time, best to wait and watch.
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Hey look there are crap posts, but legit ones too. How else are you going to get queries answered re this coin if you don't ask. It cant stop if its legit, and if it is, then we investors will be glad to know of it.
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Every thread I read its one scam or another. I mined in a pool first few days and received way less than I was suppose to. That was the last day, fortunately I did the math which most dont.

This crap has to stop.
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Contraband could you kindly ask the team to send the coins mined to this address etnk6DnM79BWK5ZM8kCczCEpfTcAJMirhDLziDGZeViHg1mW1ThDo9kCUx9hydwjkuHr1oUNhHhFU68 AG1AsBF2r6dhvjgmVD2
When the pool front end went down on the US dev team pool we lost roughly 4 hours of mining at 40,000 (40 k/h) hashes speed when it went down in the first 24 hours.

If you could just have them send these it would be greatly appreciated by our team. Thanks in advance just pm me when sent if possible.

Kryptkeeper1979 I am warning you publicly that you are not to post in this self moderated thread again.

The mod mprep told me to write this and if you post again you will be banned

I just wanted to make sure you understand the importance and potential loss for our team so you do not think I'm joking or trying to fud. Here is our team's account, and picture verification after the US ETN official developer pool stopped paying out.

...sinp...

Please let us know when we can expect our payout, thanks. The pending payout is absolutely incorrect vs. the shares it stopped counting that we submitted.



Contraband, i sent the ETN team an email. It wasn't a pleasant email because I am no longer able to wait for a response more than 2 weeks now. Unless every employee i saw in their videos is a developer can you ask them kindly to look again at the email I sent from our teams email [email protected] and handle this issue. I was notified the official pool is now live.

I assume the coins our team was not paid out should have been sent at this point. Pm me the phone number or direct contact to their team because I believe they are not taking our issue serious and perhaps I can explain that better verbally.

Thanks.



Is it safe to consider at this stage our team has been scammed out of the coins we are owed due to 'technical errors' by the Electroneum team and their official pool on launch? Let us know so I can relay this to our community.

It would be nice to get some clarity on this, whether the coins are there or if they have dissapeared into the abyss, and ideally a bit of info on why if that is the case.

I know I was mining on that pool for ~10hrs without reward because my miners were successfully submitting shares so no red flags were thrown, it was only after I got back from work and checked my wallet did I realise there had been no payouts during that period.
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Belief in the immutable.
Contraband could you kindly ask the team to send the coins mined to this address etnk6DnM79BWK5ZM8kCczCEpfTcAJMirhDLziDGZeViHg1mW1ThDo9kCUx9hydwjkuHr1oUNhHhFU68 AG1AsBF2r6dhvjgmVD2
When the pool front end went down on the US dev team pool we lost roughly 4 hours of mining at 40,000 (40 k/h) hashes speed when it went down in the first 24 hours.

If you could just have them send these it would be greatly appreciated by our team. Thanks in advance just pm me when sent if possible.

Kryptkeeper1979 I am warning you publicly that you are not to post in this self moderated thread again.

The mod mprep told me to write this and if you post again you will be banned

I just wanted to make sure you understand the importance and potential loss for our team so you do not think I'm joking or trying to fud. Here is our team's account, and picture verification after the US ETN official developer pool stopped paying out.



Please let us know when we can expect our payout, thanks. The pending payout is absolutely incorrect vs. the shares it stopped counting that we submitted.



Contraband, i sent the ETN team an email. It wasn't a pleasant email because I am no longer able to wait for a response more than 2 weeks now. Unless every employee i saw in their videos is a developer can you ask them kindly to look again at the email I sent from our teams email [email protected] and handle this issue. I was notified the official pool is now live.

I assume the coins our team was not paid out should have been sent at this point. Pm me the phone number or direct contact to their team because I believe they are not taking our issue serious and perhaps I can explain that better verbally.

Thanks.



Is it safe to consider at this stage our team has been scammed out of the coins we are owed due to 'technical errors' by the Electroneum team and their official pool on launch? Let us know so I can relay this to our community.
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This afternoon, buy orders are higher than sell orders, how weird is that?  Cool

Enjoy it while it lasts
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