Topic: [POR]⚡ELECTRONEUM⚡Official Moderated Thread - page 94. (Read 240346 times)

5th June - At what year?

P.s: We are cosmonauts-dreamers. lol)

Due to unstable network you should be patient till it start working normally. This is not a big issue sometimes it could take up to a week to payment get processed.

Actually your example in the beginning isn't a good one, because whatever a Bitcoin Payment Provider makes is out of Bitcoins reach, obviously.

Maybe you don't understand my point. I totally agree with you that a serious company can at all patent whatever, make huge developements, whatever, but have in mind that as soon as it's a company decentralization is totally gone, even no more worth discussing it.....

And i have no problem with it at all, it's a different approach with companies, patents, that like, but than the word "decentralized" is total missleading. Actually even the blockchain is not really decentralized as at any moment the dev/company can change an algo whenever to whatever he wants. Have in mind that on this alone a debatting/discussion is being held on many forums and projects!

And i'am not negatively posting, no way, i just want to be aware on what exactly is the case here. If you (just as an example) only care about a half way decentralized blockchain, so it be, but others, like me eventually put more thoughts into an advertised "as" decentralized project....

And if you say decentralized/centralized is no big matter, so it be, me personally even agrees to that and in many real cases i would prefer a centralized project, but than again, no need to use "decentralized" if it's not.

I still mine this coin with my phone's (37) I make per phone like 10.2 to 12.9 every 24 hours but now I see everything is pending, WHY?

Actually not really:

taken from wikipedia
Positions from the community
Community leaders such as Richard Stallman, Alan Cox, Bruce Perens, and Linus Torvalds and companies such as Red Hat, and MySQL, and community groups such as FSFE, IFSO, all believe that patents cause problems for free software.

You mess things up here. It's one thing to develope something open source, it's another story to have a patent on it.

You are talking about developement, i'am talking about patents. We talk about different things..

Please, read the page before, and the page before that one etc etc, it is explained on every page.
Transactions are paused till today. Later today the transactions will flow again in the blockchain and a little bit later the etn mobile payments also.


It's good, the next few blocks we can do If they would still renting after the diff update, the diff update would be again high.
This is just perfect now
There are still 2 big miners active for the last few blocks till we can mine on our own again

Not only you there are many people facing the same situation in the market because even i reached more than 40 ETN coin but still, the balance is not showing any pending status. Maybe because of blockchain issues with mining networks.

Linux kernel is a remarkable piece of open source code. However, development is centralised. Only a few top developers (mainly Linus Torvalds himself) choose what chunk of code goes to the main branch.

Similar to that, ETN code is open source, however development is centralised. The blockchain nodes and miners are decentralised, but mobile miner is centralised. Desktop wallet is decentralised, but mobile wallet is centralised.

Don't think other cryptos are different. Same goes for Bitcoin. The blockchain system which is decentralised was created (allegedly) by Satoshi (centralised development). Now we have BIPs and a group of people maintaining the code, but still -- development is centralised.  

In each case, we have a mix of centralised and decentralised components.

Well Nanopool is now only at 17MHS, seems that the rented power left early.

For me (outsider) its hard to answer this question, but BTC is also centralised then, some Bitcoin Payment Providers got an patent on how they handle Bitcoin transactions.
Is BTC centralised because of this? Maybe its a strange example..

If u want to be serious, if you want companies gonna take you serious, you must be serious too. With this patent u know a lil bit where ETN is standing (; on a serious position).

The way how you look at this patent, its a lil bit negative (well, i dont know if u are negative, it looks like that haha!), but there are only positive things what i can imagine. There are many problems with many coins why they would never be THE coin where u can do worldwide payments.
If you look what ETN already did, what they are doing and what they are going to do, it solves all those problems.

U can not be only there for miners and there things on exchanges, u must be and think bigger then just buy/sell on exchange. To do the reall big thing, u must think big and ur actions must also be big. Centralised or decentralised is not the big matter.

I dont say ETN is centralised, i also don't say ETN is decentralised.

I get where you are coming from, but that's not how things work.

Either a project is decentralized or centralized, you can't be both in 1 project, easy as that.

And you can't split a project neither by saying the blockchain is decentralized but everything else is centralized, that's not how decentralized things work, seriously not.

To compare here an example: You can't be a non profit foundation and a profit coroporation in the same time by saying donations and volunteer work is done by the foundation part of our project and the profit making is done by the corporated part of the project. While your argument "getting the best of both worlds" holds true in theory, in practice it's just pure centralized, easy as that.

As soon as you have 1 centralized factor the others don't matter anymore.... And actually this factor is the "head", the most important factor of the whole project.

Feel free to correct me if i miss something.

I'am not the patent expert but only have some limited overview on it or/and basic knowledge, but in my opinion:

- nobody can patent open source, means nobody could force out ETN to use it's own research/technology.

- a patent can only be registered by a real person, group of persons or of course companies. Either you have it on open source (decentralized) or patented (centralized), one just excludes the other.

- every open source project is able in real world (as you describe it) to use open source, no need of a patent at all.

- patents serve for 2 things, monetizing the patent eventually later and/or protecting competition to use the same technology. Again, both are against decentralization, hence when it comes to patents every believer in decentralization should have real concerns here.

- eventually and maybe there is an option a given patent can be used by everyone without any restrictions for FREE, enough the patentholder gets mentioned for example. This would be the only case i could think it would "decentralization confirm", but than again, open source is practically the same, why waste big amount of money for a patent registration?!

As said, i'am not the expert and just writing this with common sense and logic, if someone has better more accurate info, please add it or correct by thoughts.

Hey,

Payments are paused at the moment because of the fork. Seems today the transactions will start again (in approx ~10 blocks).
So first the transactions in the blockchain will be roll, after the mobile payments will roll again and everything will be back to normall.

Did u read the reactions on the questions?

U can just keep mining on the mobile app, payments will come just a little bit later

hello

same problem minted balance not send

That is one thing that may turn some people off from ETN, is that there are some aspects that are centralized, one big example is the mobile miner.

I would also point out that ETN is a DECENTRALIZED blockchain.

The balance between the two, and getting the best of both worlds, is what I believe will one of the main factors that catapult Electroneum to cryptos first case of true mass adoption.


Some of the benefits of striking that balance are pointed out in the above post quoted here:

Dont let the current situation fool you; trust me.

They have a patent for Instant Transactions Tech. They hired a Monero Dev and have other blockchain experts.

They are not the "deer in headlights" regarding tech as they are preceived to be.

Lets just say, step back and look big picture and things make more sense