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d to believe that Amorim is capable of achieving any other results without changes. Although a change of coach often leads to the players behaving more enthusiastically on the field. Well, a miracle did not happen, he has a difficult job ahead of him, actually I did not expect anything else, I think that we will be able to see changes after the winter transfer window, when he takes several players from Sporting to Manchester United, and until then he will be looking for which players are suitable for further work with him.


I don't even see where Mancehster United are better in terms of statistics in this match because regardless of anything their performance is still the same even though they are still superior in possession and indeed this is quite natural with the strength of their team, but I don't see them much better than shots or on target because seeing from what happened it was Ipswich who were better in this match.

Honestly, although this result is still good enough for Manchster United and Amorim because they can still save 1 point, this certainly makes them lose the momentum that van Nistelrooy has created in the previous few matches and now there is nothing Amorim can do but adapt faster because after all, as long as he still has unsatisfactory results, criticism and waves of comparisons between him and van Nisetlrooy will continue to occur.
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Ipswich did everything very well. They have dominated the game and tried so hard adding another goals. They can't score due to Onana's sensational performance. He's the one who saved United from getting bantered by other clubs fans.

Ipswich rarely wasted their chances. all of their attempts were blocked by Onana. They were not fortunate enough.

I was sure they could score 2 or 3 if Onana was underperform.
After incredible saves Andre Onana made in Manchester United's game at Ipswich Town yesterday, I think it's safe to say that
the Manchester United goalkeeper have been the best goalie in the English Premier League this season. The Cameroon international did face series of criticisms in his first game for the club but have significantly improved since the start of the season. I think Onana will play a huge role in Ruben Amorim's reign as a Manchester United manager.
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It was hard to believe that Amorim is capable of achieving any other results without changes.
If Amorim didn’t sign new players, then I don’t think Manchester United will achieve anything serious, he just has to allow some players to leave the club and then sign some players. It’s obvious that Manchester United's problem is not only the coach, but some players need to leave the club, and Amorim will have to be given time to improve the club’s performance, Manchester United fans shouldn’t just expect changes within a short period of time. When the transfer window is open, I am sure he will sign some players who will be able to play the pattern that he wants.

What fans want is something fast. However we can see United in bad condition, and his arrival to the team will make there will be great expectations.
Maybe fans do not want to know the process, but the most important thing is the club understands the process. To make United its golden age, of course, is not easy. At that time they had top-world players in the team and when they competed, they were always feared by their opponents. If you want to prepare United to be like that, then it will take a lot of money to bring in players according to the coach's wishes. And the process will certainly be done gradually.
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It was hard to believe that Amorim is capable of achieving any other results without changes.
If Amorim didn’t sign new players, then I don’t think Manchester United will achieve anything serious, he just has to allow some players to leave the club and then sign some players. It’s obvious that Manchester United's problem is not only the coach, but some players need to leave the club, and Amorim will have to be given time to improve the club’s performance, Manchester United fans shouldn’t just expect changes within a short period of time. When the transfer window is open, I am sure he will sign some players who will be able to play the pattern that he wants.
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A less than satisfactory debut for Amorim with Man Utd, but the draw did seem fair because Ipswich Town played very well at home, they were able to match Man Utd and even had better shots on target. With this result, hopefully Amorim can soon find the right formation that suits his wishes plus quickly adapt to the Premier League.
The 1-1 draw against a team in the bottom flight is of course a negative result for Amorim in his debut match at Manchester United as a coach, but for a team like Ipswich Town to get 1 point from big team as Manchester United is a very happy thing, both teams in the match played quite impressively and even Ipswich Town who lost in terms of player quality was able to make the Manchester United squad  hard work to avoid defeat after the aggressive of their attack, I think Red Devils fans cannot be disappointed with the results they have achieved in that match, because after all Amorim need time to find the right formation and strategy, especially to adapt to the high intensity and style of play of the Premier League compared to the Portuguese league.
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As I predicted before, the Southampton vs Liverpool match will create many goals and 5 goals were scored by both clubs.
Mohammad Salah saved Liverpool from defeat, this victory further strengthened Liverpool at the top of the standings.
Arne Slot's first season at this club was accompanied by inconsistent performances from his competitors, making him have the opportunity to achieve something impressive in his first season,  one title could be Liverpool's.
I was very surprised with the way Southampton played against Liverpool yesterday. I didn't expect Southampton would score two goals against Liverpool in this match and even be a tough opponent for Liverpool to beat. But even with the good performance of Southampton yesterday, Liverpool still shows that they had what it takes to beat Southampton at home, all thanks to Mohammed Salah's late goal that gave Liverpool the lead against Southampton yesterday. Since Arne Slot became Liverpool head coach, he has shown good performance and guided Liverpool to the top of the Premier League table, and if continued with the form, he might achieve great things with Liverpool this season.
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Ipswich did everything very well. They have dominated the game and tried so hard adding another goals. They can't score due to Onana's sensational performance. He's the one who saved United from getting bantered by other clubs fans.

Ipswich rarely wasted their chances. all of their attempts were blocked by Onana. They were not fortunate enough.

I was sure they could score 2 or 3 if Onana was underperform.

He was heavily lambasted and criticized last season after he conceded too many goals that wasn't his fault, right now he is having a top performance in the Premier League competition and not getting the credits he deserves?

Ipswich was the better side the other day, I must say they should have won if they were more clinical when it comes to finishing the chances they had.
All the fans who painted Andrea Onana to he poor are mute right now. He should ne be my MoTM yesterday.
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Actually in that match Ipswich was a better side than Manchester united and they had deserved to win the game but unfortunately had to settle down with a draw. Base on stats they were better at shots on expected goals but they wasted almost all chances. It was really an intensed match especially for the red devils which means the strategy of the new coach and the players haven't blend yet.

But however, I think I have to agree with you on this about the players performance which would really need some changes in the team with some players having to leave the club as one of the remedy for the new coach to start getting progressive results with less struggles on winning matches especially against weak teams.
It was hard to believe that Amorim is capable of achieving any other results without changes. Although a change of coach often leads to the players behaving more enthusiastically on the field. Well, a miracle did not happen, he has a difficult job ahead of him, actually I did not expect anything else, I think that we will be able to see changes after the winter transfer window, when he takes several players from Sporting to Manchester United, and until then he will be looking for which players are suitable for further work with him.
When Amorim came into Manchester united and immediately won 3 or 4 matches in a row, many of us here were praising him and saying finally, Manchester united now have a very good coach who will revive the club, I was of the opinion that he should be given time before we all start praising him, but some of us didn't actually buy into that.


It's like one user said that the draw against ipswich is not actually a draw on Manchester united, but feels more like a lost game on them, and this is because of all, ipswich is still considered a very weak club with not much talented players, it was expected that their game with Manchester united should be an easy win for man united, but unfortunately, even with an early goal, they still could not score another goals, and later on conceded an equalizer goal..

Anyways, I completely with you, lets see the decisions the new coach will be making during the transfer window, and let's see how the man united team will improve afterwards.
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A less than satisfactory debut for Amorim with Man Utd, but the draw did seem fair because Ipswich Town played very well at home, they were able to match Man Utd and even had better shots on target. With this result, hopefully Amorim can soon find the right formation that suits his wishes plus quickly adapt to the Premier League.
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Been the debut match for the new manager most fans would have thought that it was going to be a walk over game for Manchester united as they are playing against not too strong team in the premier league. But this is just a message to Amotim to understand how tough the EPL could be unlike where he is coming from, in the premiership no team is small especially playing at home ground.

It was actually a wonderful performance from Ipswich playing with some resilience forcing the game to a stalemate against a Manchester united side who we thought would have given us a convincing victory with their new coach Amorim.
The first match that did not meet expectations for Amorim because in this match Manchester United faced a team that was at the bottom of the standings but they failed to take advantage of the opportunity to collect 3 points. It was indeed not an easy job for Amorim to immediately bring victory because he needed time to adjust the strategy and find the ideal formation to bring changes to Manchester United's playing style.
Actually in that match Ipswich was a better side than Manchester united and they had deserved to win the game but unfortunately had to settle down with a draw. Base on stats they were better at shots on expected goals but they wasted almost all chances. It was really an intensed match especially for the red devils which means the strategy of the new coach and the players haven't blend yet.


Ipswich did everything very well. They have dominated the game and tried so hard adding another goals. They can't score due to Onana's sensational performance. He's the one who saved United from getting bantered by other clubs fans.

Ipswich rarely wasted their chances. all of their attempts were blocked by Onana. They were not fortunate enough.

I was sure they could score 2 or 3 if Onana was underperform.
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Actually in that match Ipswich was a better side than Manchester united and they had deserved to win the game but unfortunately had to settle down with a draw. Base on stats they were better at shots on expected goals but they wasted almost all chances. It was really an intensed match especially for the red devils which means the strategy of the new coach and the players haven't blend yet.

But however, I think I have to agree with you on this about the players performance which would really need some changes in the team with some players having to leave the club as one of the remedy for the new coach to start getting progressive results with less struggles on winning matches especially against weak teams.
It was hard to believe that Amorim is capable of achieving any other results without changes. Although a change of coach often leads to the players behaving more enthusiastically on the field. Well, a miracle did not happen, he has a difficult job ahead of him, actually I did not expect anything else, I think that we will be able to see changes after the winter transfer window, when he takes several players from Sporting to Manchester United, and until then he will be looking for which players are suitable for further work with him.
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Been the debut match for the new manager most fans would have thought that it was going to be a walk over game for Manchester united as they are playing against not too strong team in the premier league. But this is just a message to Amotim to understand how tough the EPL could be unlike where he is coming from, in the premiership no team is small especially playing at home ground.

It was actually a wonderful performance from Ipswich playing with some resilience forcing the game to a stalemate against a Manchester united side who we thought would have given us a convincing victory with their new coach Amorim.
The first match that did not meet expectations for Amorim because in this match Manchester United faced a team that was at the bottom of the standings but they failed to take advantage of the opportunity to collect 3 points. It was indeed not an easy job for Amorim to immediately bring victory because he needed time to adjust the strategy and find the ideal formation to bring changes to Manchester United's playing style.
Actually in that match Ipswich was a better side than Manchester united and they had deserved to win the game but unfortunately had to settle down with a draw. Base on stats they were better at shots on expected goals but they wasted almost all chances. It was really an intensed match especially for the red devils which means the strategy of the new coach and the players haven't blend yet.

But however, I think I have to agree with you on this about the players performance which would really need some changes in the team with some players having to leave the club as one of the remedy for the new coach to start getting progressive results with less struggles on winning matches especially against weak teams.
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It came as a surprise that Liverpool had such difficulties in beating Southampton. We are talking about an opponent at the bottom of the standings. They really fought back hard.

But Salah is just amazing... He played a big role today with 2 goals as well. 10 goals and 6 assists already in the league. Liverpool would be really sad when they probably lose him next summer.
Initially, Liverpool were predicted to get an easy win over Southampton, but the reality on the field did not match the predictions off the field. Liverpool had to work hard to get the win. They were 2-1 down before finally managed to finish the match with a 2-3 win.
Liverpool are increasingly solid at the top of the standings with an 8-point gap over Man City in second place. Next Match Liverpool will host Man City at Anfield, If Liverpool wins over Man City then they will be 11 points ahead, While Man City will also fight for victory after getting a surprising result of losing in the last 5 matches.
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And how is the result now?  Grin The first fact of Man City defeat must be acknowledged, second 5x is a big blow that Pep Guardiola is not always in a comfortable position as a great coach, third when there is a reason Man City lost because the player was injured is no longer reasonable. Tottenham counter attack is very cool, fast and effective so that Man City players are overwhelmed to deal with it.
Could it be because Pep Guardiola has been at City too long?  Smiley
He was not like that at his previous two clubs, Barcelona and Bayern Munich which he left in good condition if I remember correctly, and he only lasted less than five seasons.
This defeat is not something that City usually gets, especially at the Etihad Stadium, maybe this is a sign for him to leave England to take a break before deciding on a new club to coach.
This is probably right, Pep Guardiola has been playing basically the same strategy for a long time, and because of that many people figured it out. But I also believe that they need to revamp the squad as well. Like for example Kyle Walker had one of the worst games of his career, he wasn't even running for it, he wasn't even attempting to defend, he looked incredibly tired and not willing to play, and when players are playing that way, you end up seeing bad results.

They need to revamp so many of the players, I would start from goalkeeper, ederson is fine but they need someone younger and better, but I would change like half of the starting eleven, they are just not that good anymore, they are not talentless, they just don't want to play that's it. They need to get players with some hunger on their eyes, so that they could do fine. Savinho for example is one of their best. Because he is new, he wants to win, but rest do not look like that, even Haaland isn't playing that great but he is Haaland, so he is still a great player and scoring bunch of goals normally.
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This United game started off well for Amorim and his new team... with an early goal coming from Rashford, but unfortunately when you are playing away from home the fixture turns out to be tough one and Ipswich at the moment are no pushovers as they have settled in after that Manchester City demolition and don't give up easily..
Manchester United played a draw in their match today. I was expecting a win from Manchester United, but all they could get is a draw, even when playing against a weak team. Seriously, this is not really a good start for Amorim. Manchester United is just supposed to let some players leave. Manchester United’s problem is not only the coach, some of the players are also supposed to be blamed.
Manchester United players played like they were 16-year-old children against Ipswich yesterday. Manchester United were very lucky to get a point against Ipswich yesterday because ever since the match started Ipswich dominated the game, and it was as if Ipswich players had more power than Manchester United players in the game, which gave them the upper hand to win the game, but thanks to Onana's great performance yesterday that stopped Ipswich from taking the 3 points home. Amorim tried with his tactics yesterday for Manchester United, but anyone who watches the match will know that it's not Amorim's fault that Manchester United were held to a draw by Ipswich. I will put the blame on Erik Ten Hag because he brought in so many players to Manchester United, which can't help the club compete for anything they involved themselves with. Amorim needs to be patient with the present Manchester United squad till the January transfer window opens so that he can sign some good players who will help him function well at Manchester United.
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You can't control how others think sadly. I also think it's premature to say anything about Amorim. Some people say things like this for banters, but there's no shortage of people who truly believe they can see the future after seeing 1 bad match from a new manager. Heck, some even went as far as saying that Sporting is probably a good squad while Amorim is just an average coach. I can see why some influencers say dumb stuff because they want engagement, not sure about how others think though.

Joniboini, I can't lie you've just written down facts. I try to ignore some but some I'm forced to give a response lol. Pay attention to the previous club he came from and how they played likewise the capacity of those players, you will see that they're different. Having young and energetic players in midfield helped Ipswich against man utd aged midfielders who aren't pacy and energetic. I'm keen to see the next game when Kobbie mainoo, Mason Mount, Ugarte and a much younger defender in place for Johnny Evans.
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I can imagine how frustrating it was for Liverpool defenders to keep up with Southampton's second goal... The counter attack was so fast that the striker lost possession of the ball even before he was able to shoot...
Nevertheless, Salah's first goal was so unconvincing that the commentators had to say it was gonna be ruled as offside, but it wasn't... Who just runs casually and leaps over, controlling the ball on their left foot, barely kicking it into the net? Man, Salah is game!
I can particularly enjoying how Liverpool played especially their attackers. They looked so clinical, fast, and sharp, but i can't do the same with their defenders. Their defense was too shaky, and way too many mistakes that costed them 2 goals, but win still a win.

I hope they're gonna working on their defense. they looked so defense looked so dreadful, and if it continues, they may be in the serious problem.
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I agree that Man City is not really regressing, it's just that with Liverpool back on track and in their most consistent form, so Man City existence looks like it is regressing, when in fact it is not too significant. Regardless I'm quite happy with Liverpool's comeback as a reminder to Man City that they can't hold onto the Premier League forever.
I agree with you. But compared to last season City only got 3 defeats from 38 matches. But this season they have already got 3 defeats from 12 matches. This shows that they have experienced a decline in performance this season compared to last season. But on the other hand Liverpool's improved performance is also the reason why City potentially cannot defend their title this season. Liverpool is really consistent and has only got 1 defeat. I don't know if City has experienced a significant decline in performance or not. But as far as I remember in the last decade their worst result was getting 6 defeats at the end of the season. And if this season they get more than 6 defeats then we can conclude that City is currently having problems in their performance.
It's obvious that City is doing worse than last year, but nothing is over yet, they still have a chance. Obviously a lesser chance there is no denying that and there is a big possibility of them losing, but that doesn't mean that we are going to see this changing anytime soon, we are going to see them still be a good team and will do fine.

I believe the best chance we have right now is having some good return on the current situation. Just focus on what you can do and you should be making a good return without a doubt. City is still the best team and they are going to be fine, they won't be checking anything further with testing, I am pretty sure they are going to just end up doing what they know best and go with Peps tactics.
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You can't control how others think sadly. I also think it's premature to say anything about Amorim. Some people say things like this for banters, but there's no shortage of people who truly believe they can see the future after seeing 1 bad match from a new manager. Heck, some even went as far as saying that Sporting is probably a good squad while Amorim is just an average coach. I can see why some influencers say dumb stuff because they want engagement, not sure about how others think though.
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I agree that Van Nistelrooy did better than Amorim. Van Nistelrooy understands well how Man United squad ability. He didn't force to use unfamiliar formation or unfamiliar strategy. Van Nistelrooy only changed what was necessary, he didn't change all the system. It is different with Amorim, he forced Man United players to play with his ideal tactic and formation.

Considering this result, I agree Van Nistelrooy should be the best choice for Man United coach.  Wink

Fvck! Why do we have people that look at things this way? For goodness sake, some couple players are still recovering who took part of the major training sections which was just two days with them. Stop the comparison with Ruud van Nistelrooy honestly,  I read somethings on here and I dislike the way some people see things. Ruud ain't the best choice for Manchester United,  all he did was go back to the traditional british style of play utilising same formation by Ole Gunner Solskjear.

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