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I agree that Van Nistelrooy did better than Amorim. Van Nistelrooy understands well how Man United squad ability. He didn't force to use unfamiliar formation or unfamiliar strategy. Van Nistelrooy only changed what was necessary, he didn't change all the system. It is different with Amorim, he forced Man United players to play with his ideal tactic and formation.

Considering this result, I agree Van Nistelrooy should be the best choice for Man United coach.  Wink
Maybe it's still the beginning, and Amorim is looking for the right strategy for formation. We all know that Amorim is still adapting to the club. He doesn't know about who is worthy of the position right now. As we look at how he put Rushford as a single attacker, I think it's a bold decision to decide he's there because he had been there before, but it's not so effective. But Amorim did it last night and successfully made a quick goal in 1st half. I think the problem he faces now is the defender because many of their main defenders are injured, so it is conceded on 1st half.

About Van Nistelrooy, I haven't been able to compare it yet when he was a first-time trainer at the club. let's take a look again on the next match.
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As I predicted before, the Southampton vs Liverpool match will create many goals and 5 goals were scored by both clubs.
Mohammad Salah saved Liverpool from defeat, this victory further strengthened Liverpool at the top of the standings.
Arne Slot's first season at this club was accompanied by inconsistent performances from his competitors, making him have the opportunity to achieve something impressive in his first season,  one title could be Liverpool's.

I have honestly thought that this would again be more of a clinical win for Liverpool as Southampton has the worst attacking line in the Premier League and Liverpool is very good at scoring one or two goals and then leave it as that, but maybe they weren't seeing so much resistance coming their way. Good fight by Southampton, but checking the other stats does paint a different picture Smiley Southampton had 7:27 shots that game. I guess they got lucky every now and the to not concede more goals. But they took it to the limit and Liverpool needed the penalty as a decider. It is a tough league no matter whether the opponent is the last or the first or in the midfield of the standings.
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It came as a surprise that Liverpool had such difficulties in beating Southampton. We are talking about an opponent at the bottom of the standings. They really fought back hard.

When Liverpool took the lead, I expected Southampton's performance to go downhill from there, but I was wrong. I was genuinely surprised when they equalised but shocked when they took the lead. They didn't make things easy for Liverpool.
Southampton are Liverpool's favourite opponent that's why I expected Liverpool just to walk through them

But Salah is just amazing... He played a big role today with 2 goals as well. 10 goals and 6 assists already in the league. Liverpool would be really sad when they probably lose him next summer.

Sala has been a very underrated player. He has been very consistent every year since he joined Liverpool but somehow people still debate if he's a world-class player. If he was in a team like Barca or Madrid he could be in ballon d'or conversations. Vinicius didn't do more than him individually and he feels entitled to the Ballon d'Or. I've always rated Salah. Even last season when Liverpool didn't have a good season, individually, Salah had a very good season.
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As I predicted before, the Southampton vs Liverpool match will create many goals and 5 goals were scored by both clubs.
Mohammad Salah saved Liverpool from defeat, this victory further strengthened Liverpool at the top of the standings.
Arne Slot's first season at this club was accompanied by inconsistent performances from his competitors, making him have the opportunity to achieve something impressive in his first season,  one title could be Liverpool's.
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Been the debut match for the new manager most fans would have thought that it was going to be a walk over game for Manchester united as they are playing against not too strong team in the premier league. But this is just a message to Amotim to understand how tough the EPL could be unlike where he is coming from, in the premiership no team is small especially playing at home ground.

It was actually a wonderful performance from Ipswich playing with some resilience forcing the game to a stalemate against a Manchester united side who we thought would have given us a convincing victory with their new coach Amorim.
The first match that did not meet expectations for Amorim because in this match Manchester United faced a team that was at the bottom of the standings but they failed to take advantage of the opportunity to collect 3 points. It was indeed not an easy job for Amorim to immediately bring victory because he needed time to adjust the strategy and find the ideal formation to bring changes to Manchester United's playing style.

From the match statistics, of course IPS was able to keep up with the course of the match by successfully recording 11 attacks and Manchester United also recorded 11 attacks. Yes, the two teams only differed in ball possession and that was very natural because Manchester United's strength was stronger than theirs. Several good opportunities were also obtained by Manchester United but unfortunately they failed to perfect them into goals. A draw was the final result and Manchester United's position was stuck in 12th place below Brentford who was in 11th place.
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Goodnight, ohh Leo!!! 🦅

I can imagine how frustrating it was for Liverpool defenders to keep up with Southampton's second goal... The counter attack was so fast that the striker lost possession of the ball even before he was able to shoot...
Nevertheless, Salah's first goal was so unconvincing that the commentators had to say it was gonna be ruled as offside, but it wasn't... Who just runs casually and leaps over, controlling the ball on their left foot, barely kicking it into the net? Man, Salah is game!
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It came as a surprise that Liverpool had such difficulties in beating Southampton. We are talking about an opponent at the bottom of the standings. They really fought back hard.

But Salah is just amazing... He played a big role today with 2 goals as well. 10 goals and 6 assists already in the league. Liverpool would be really sad when they probably lose him next summer.

By the way Amorim started to play with a 3-defender formation right away.  Grin  He really likes it but today unfortunately it didn't work out. But in the long term maybe his formation start working smoothly.
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Lol, playing against a promoted team and a team in the relegation zone like Ipswich, should have been a great moment for Amorim to get his first win for Manchester United. But anyway, the reality for me is that Manchester United played badly in this match even though they got a draw, but I think it was still a bad result. At least, this is the reason Manchester United shouldkeep Ruud Van Nistelrooy, because I believe Ruud Van Nistelrooy is the right choice to be the headcoach of Manchester United. Because clearly, Ruud Van Nistelrooy as a team legend, of course Ruud Van Nistelrooy has a great love for Manchester United and that can be the basis for an extraordinary effort  to  make improvements to Manchester United.
You're right. Ipswich is only a weak team and they are in the relegation zone. Their stats also look badly, they are one of the teams that conceded the most goals in EPL. In theory, Man United should win the match with many goals because Ipswich has weak defense. Surprisingly, Ipswich played more effectively in the match, they could make more shots on target. TBH, it is funny to see the stats of this match. However, I can understand Man United players playing under performance because they played with unfamiliar formation and with different strategy.

I agree that Van Nistelrooy did better than Amorim. Van Nistelrooy understands well how Man United squad ability. He didn't force to use unfamiliar formation or unfamiliar strategy. Van Nistelrooy only changed what was necessary, he didn't change all the system. It is different with Amorim, he forced Man United players to play with his ideal tactic and formation.

Considering this result, I agree Van Nistelrooy should be the best choice for Man United coach.  Wink

I personally bet on Manchester United to win in this match, because I want to see Amorim succeed in his first match only playing the bottom team in the standings. But, after I watched the match it turned out that Ipswich was not easy and there was no chance for Manchester United to win, so I decided  to cashed out my bet, and that was the right decision  because Manchester United also failed to win. Cheesy
You did the right decision. It's just surprising that you want to bet on Man United match. Most people avoid to bet on Man United matches because Man United performance is very unstable. Betting in Man United matches is riskier than other big teams in EPL. Why don't bet on Liverpool match?  Grin

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]With Liverpool's performance this season I think optimistically Liverpool will repeat the 2019-20 season where they broke Manchester City's dominance which had previously won the title for 2 consecutive seasons if at that time Liverpool had not won the EPL title maybe now Man City has recorded 7 EPL titles without a break, compared to Arsenal actually Liverpool is more convincing to be a competitor for Man City in the title hunt, it seems this season will be Liverpool's successful season again.

It is a fact that things can be very favourable for Liverpool, but remember last season, City came with everything, they swept them off their feet, when they were behind, the one who was in first place at that moment was a Liverpool, also an Arsenal, the fight apparently was between those two, but as it happened that City caught up with them and overtook them, beating them like the champions of the P1 I wouldn't trust anything, suddenly Pep comes out with something that will leave us all with our mouths open, Pep is like that, he's a very strategic coach so we shouldn't trust too much in the performances that we've seen so far, there's still a lot to play for.
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This United game started off well for Amorim and his new team... with an early goal coming from Rashford, but unfortunately when you are playing away from home the fixture turns out to be tough one and Ipswich at the moment are no pushovers as they have settled in after that Manchester City demolition and don't give up easily..

Was really hoping the new manager would get a win today , but both team's settle for a point which isn't bad and just hope he imposes his authority into the team and brings those result's.

They started well with the intensed pressure on the home side as Marcus Rashford sent that one inside goal.to put his side ahead of the home side ipswich.  They couldn't keep up with that same energy though they looked sharp when they started. At some point,  it was no different from.what we sae understand Erik ten Hag. Implementing your style comes with a lot of ins and goodbyes,  I will love to see player who aren't worthy leaving the club.
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This United game started off well for Amorim and his new team... with an early goal coming from Rashford, but unfortunately when you are playing away from home the fixture turns out to be tough one and Ipswich at the moment are no pushovers as they have settled in after that Manchester City demolition and don't give up easily..

Was really hoping the new manager would get a win today , but both team's settle for a point which isn't bad and just hope he imposes his authority into the team and brings those result's.
Been the debut match for the new manager most fans would have thought that it was going to be a walk over game for Manchester united as they are playing against not too strong team in the premier league. But this is just a message to Amotim to understand how tough the EPL could be unlike where he is coming from, in the premiership no team is small especially playing at home ground.

It was actually a wonderful performance from Ipswich playing with some resilience forcing the game to a stalemate against a Manchester united side who we thought would have given us a convincing victory with their new coach Amorim.
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This United game started off well for Amorim and his new team... with an early goal coming from Rashford, but unfortunately when you are playing away from home the fixture turns out to be tough one and Ipswich at the moment are no pushovers as they have settled in after that Manchester City demolition and don't give up easily..
Manchester United played a draw in their match today. I was expecting a win from Manchester United, but all they could get is a draw, even when playing against a weak team. Seriously, this is not really a good start for Amorim. Manchester United is just supposed to let some players leave. Manchester United’s problem is not only the coach, some of the players are also supposed to be blamed.

Southampton played really well today, took a 2-1 lead but couldn't hold on. Liverpool almost missed the opportunity.
Liverpool won the match 3-2. Liverpool increased their points difference to 8 with this victory.
I hope Liverpool will be champions in the Premier League this year.
I never expected such performance from Southampton in the match, I was thinking the match would be an easy win for Liverpool, but it wasn’t so easy for them, even as Liverpool was able to get a win in the match. At least Southampton dragged them in the match. Liverpool was able to secure three points in the match, and their point difference with Manchester City has increased. Liverpool is now ahead of Manchester City with 8 points, which will be kind of difficult for Manchester City to cover up because their performance is just poor currently, and I don’t know how Pep Guardiola will improve it.
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This United game started off well for Amorim and his new team... with an early goal coming from Rashford, but unfortunately when you are playing away from home the fixture turns out to be tough one and Ipswich at the moment are no pushovers as they have settled in after that Manchester City demolition and don't give up easily..

Was really hoping the new manager would get a win today , but both team's settle for a point which isn't bad and just hope he imposes his authority into the team and brings those result's.

Lol, playing against a promoted team and a team in the relegation zone like Ipswich, should have been a great moment for Amorim to get his first win for Manchester United. But anyway, the reality for me is that Manchester United played badly in this match even though they got a draw, but I think it was still a bad result. At least, this is the reason Manchester United shouldkeep Ruud Van Nistelrooy, because I believe Ruud Van Nistelrooy is the right choice to be the headcoach of Manchester United. Because clearly, Ruud Van Nistelrooy as a team legend, of course Ruud Van Nistelrooy has a great love for Manchester United and that can be the basis for an extraordinary effort  to  make improvements to Manchester United.

I personally bet on Manchester United to win in this match, because I want to see Amorim succeed in his first match only playing the bottom team in the standings. But, after I watched the match it turned out that Ipswich was not easy and there was no chance for Manchester United to win, so I decided  to cashed out my bet, and that was the right decision  because Manchester United also failed to win. Cheesy
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Manchester City was very humiliated



At the end of the game, Guardiola's face was clearly irritated. Having suffered 3 consecutive defeats in the Premier League and having conceded 4 goals in today's game, and to make matters worse, they were unable to score at least one goal. It seemed that the entire Manchester City squad had been replaced by a B squad. The guys were making mistakes in defense that were strange mistakes. I say strange because Manchester City is a great team, but it seems to me that this season the squad does not have great motivation because they have won the Premier League many times and consecutively. If you bet on Manchester City to win, then you lost money.
The injured player problem must be fixed immediately if Manchester City still wants to continue to compete in the premier league. This is a crucial thing that is not only fixed by one person (Pep), but all official clubs. As we can see, they play like a club that just learned how to play. Pep really messed up how to fix it and try to replace already time with B squad. Seems like a blunder, James Maddison is look happy to destroy the city defense, The city defender like a kid who just learned how to dampen attackers who enter the penalty are.

Damn, this has never happened before, 5 consecutive lost is the first experience Pep in his coaching the club. This might drive him crazy.


In past seasons, Manchester City had a squad made up of many good players who managed to get good results even when they had many injured players. However, they sold some good players and replaced them with lower-level players. As a result, when good Manchester City players get injured, they lose games. With Liverpool's victory today, Manchester City's situation has become much more complicated in the fight for the title, especially because in the next game Manchester City will play against Liverpool, who are currently the leaders of the table. A defeat against Liverpool in the next game would make the difference in points 11 points. I think that it is unlikely that Manchester City will become champions this season. I see Liverpool as champions.
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I agree with you. But compared to last season City only got 3 defeats from 38 matches. But this season they have already got 3 defeats from 12 matches. This shows that they have experienced a decline in performance this season compared to last season. But on the other hand Liverpool's improved performance is also the reason why City potentially cannot defend their title this season. Liverpool is really consistent and has only got 1 defeat. I don't know if City has experienced a significant decline in performance or not. But as far as I remember in the last decade their worst result was getting 6 defeats at the end of the season. And if this season they get more than 6 defeats then we can conclude that City is currently having problems in their performance.
And how is the result now?  Grin The first fact of Man City defeat must be acknowledged, second 5x is a big blow that Pep Guardiola is not always in a comfortable position as a great coach, third when there is a reason Man City lost because the player was injured is no longer reasonable. Tottenham counter attack is very cool, fast and effective so that Man City players are overwhelmed to deal with it.
If you have been following Tottenham and Manchester city matches for some time now, you will know that it has always been a difficult match for Manchester city to win. We just have to acknowledge that Manchester city is not in a good form this season. They are in a state where they are feeling that they have done it all ans and there is nothing more to play for. Manchester city were playing like a team that has lost it all against Tottenham. Although most of the players were just returning from injuries and they have not been match fit after being out for so long. Manchester city should just turn their full energy to the champions League and make sure they finish among the top 4. They should forget about the premier League this season. With the way they are playing, they will still lose more matches. Tottenham Hotspur has always been a team that has been exploiting Manchester city. And they are always lucky to play Manchester city when they are not always in good form. For Tottenham to score Manchester city that number of goals at away show that Manchester city are far from being their best.
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Southampton played really well today, took a 2-1 lead but couldn't hold on. Liverpool almost missed the opportunity.
Liverpool won the match 3-2. Liverpool increased their points difference to 8 with this victory.
I hope Liverpool will be champions in the Premier League this year.
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This United game started off well for Amorim and his new team... with an early goal coming from Rashford, but unfortunately when you are playing away from home the fixture turns out to be tough one and Ipswich at the moment are no pushovers as they have settled in after that Manchester City demolition and don't give up easily..

I think even though this draw is still good enough for Amorim's debut match but with what van Nistelrooy showed for their debut match maybe this will be a burden for Amorim because it will definitely be a situation where he will be compared to the performance of van Nistelrooy in some time ago which did impress the fans of Manchester United.

They did perform quite well in this match but when compared to Ipswich who despite playing at home but with a squad that seems ordinary, they actually look equal even Ipswich performed better than on target that exceeded Manchester United in today's match.
But this will certainly be a little better for Manchester Untied than they have to lose points in this match although I think there will be a lot of criticism that will occur with this result especially for Amorim even though this is his debut match.

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Ipswich played brilliantly well, concluding with a draw was a nice choice, though they could have done better but onana proved once again the reason for his signing into Manchester United. Well I never expected Manchester United to draw the match. My prediction has alway been a straight win but Ipswich indeed took a home advantage and used it a united.one of the reasons I love premier league is the fact that the games can change their shapes and turn out to be an entirely different outcome other than what you could imagine. Manchester City lost with four goals to Tottenham. I’m still a bit surprised but however this is premier league. I have always anticipated Southampton to be a really stubborn team especially when playing with big team, they did give Liverpool some trouble in wining the game but Liverpool came out victorious as usual.
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This United game started off well for Amorim and his new team... with an early goal coming from Rashford, but unfortunately when you are playing away from home the fixture turns out to be tough one and Ipswich at the moment are no pushovers as they have settled in after that Manchester City demolition and don't give up easily..

Was really hoping the new manager would get a win today , but both team's settle for a point which isn't bad and just hope he imposes his authority into the team and brings those result's.
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What we haven't seen in the last few seasons in Manchester City, is now starting to happen to them, before I never saw Manchester City have a losing streak like this season, so indeed the injury of their key players like Rodri seems very affect the performance of Guardiola squad,the extension of Guardiola contract shows that the management still have full trust in him, so indeed the 5 defeats can't be a reason to fire him after he managed to bring their be champions in 4 consecutive seasons, of course Guardiola needs to focus on strengthening the defence and finding suitable replacements for injured players in the transfer market later, but for now it is very important for them get back to winning ways to improve the mentality of the players after consecutive defeat.
In this season, there is only 1 problem that we can see, namely the case of Rodri absence and logically it is a bit unreasonable to only lose 1 important player but the results are bad. While last season lost KDB who was seriously injured, the results still looked good. So there is something bad that is not known behind all this and we will surely slowly find out why the current bad results are actually Guardiola being maintained. And in my opinion City management not only believes in Guardiola but the coach is one of the coaches who understands what the best conditions are for the team. So Guardiola will still be maintained because Guardiola is always successful in bringing in new players.
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