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Quote from: Silence Scream on October 29, 2024, 06:40:56 AM

Quote from: Woodie on October 28, 2024, 10:11:56 AM

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Amorim is one of the most serious candidates for the new manager position. He is a manager who has achieved great success at Sporting Lisbon. Also, the fact that he is 39 years old and has achieved these successes despite his young age is something that should be appreciated. I think the Manchester United management must have seen this.

I was watching Sky sports news last afternoon and their analysis of who would potentially make it to that position of Utd manager and his name came up of course, but unfortunately I don't see this happening because the presenters said he already has links of going to Manchester City with the sporting director changes happening there...but of course that can only happen when Pep leaves...

Btw with the money going to Erik Ten Hag for termination of his contract and release clause being triggered to bring on Amorim, I don't see this happening tbh... Utd do this coming that's why Van Nistelrooy is there as perfect replacement without more millions being spent👌

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Quote from: Woodie on October 28, 2024, 10:11:56 AM

Finally Erik Ten Hag packs his bags 🎒, which was long over due!!

You know the second he was only scouting for players from his old camp was mistake number 1 & a recipe for disaster, and all managers should learn from this!!! One Two players is okay but going for over 4 players to join United cemented Manchester united to be just an average club, am hoping Ruud will does a better job in transforming this United side that has even forgotten how to win, worse off how to celebrate 🥳 goals Roll Eyes

GG RVN

The Premier League is in mourning especially the giant clubs Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Aston Villa, they lost Erik Ten Hag and there is no more entertainment every week. It is a shame that he left too soon. Now a new coach is being prepared but with limited time left, can they fix Man United to return to the top 8 at the end of the season?

Ronaldo, Sancho, McTominay, and De Gea are celebrating his departure. Grin

Manchester United's entire gameplay was destroyed by the Ten Hag. He applied strange match tactics. And he didn't succeed in that, we also saw a decline in the overall performance of the players. The squad had a lot of talented players. But no player's performance was consistent. And that's only because of Ten Hag's wacky match tactics. We've also heard rumors from time to time that Ten Hag doesn't have a good relationship with the squad's players either.

Ten hag kicked talented players like Ronaldo, Sancho, McTominay, and De Gea out of the squad. And that was one of Ten Hag's worst decisions. Antony and Hojlund were added to the squad as replacements for these players. But the performance of these young players is even weaker.

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Quote from: Woodie on October 28, 2024, 10:11:56 AM

Finally Erik Ten Hag packs his bags 🎒, which was long over due!!

You know the second he was only scouting for players from his old camp was mistake number 1 & a recipe for disaster, and all managers should learn from this!!! One Two players is okay but going for over 4 players to join United cemented Manchester united to be just an average club, am hoping Ruud will does a better job in transforming this United side that has even forgotten how to win, worse off how to celebrate 🥳 goals Roll Eyes

GG RVN

Amorim is one of the most serious candidates for the new manager position. He is a manager who has achieved great success at Sporting Lisbon. Also, the fact that he is 39 years old and has achieved these successes despite his young age is something that should be appreciated. I think the Manchester United management must have seen this. Amorim may have a hard time fixing the ruined team left by the Dutch manager, but after the mid-season transfer period and the changes in the team at the end of the year, they can prepare better for next year. Let's see if an agreement can be reached. For now, the team has been entrusted to Ruud Van Nistelrooy.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on October 28, 2024, 03:27:39 PM

There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea

In the match between Newcastle and Arsenal, I see Arsenal better. But during the match Newcastle can win the match by scoring more goals due to their good performance. So we should not consider Newcastle as weak even though their record is not that special. In the match between Liverpool and Brighton, Liverpool is the stronger team, because of which Brighton will lose. But if Brighton play well and defend yourself, you can draw the match but not win.

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Quote from: Woodie on October 28, 2024, 10:11:56 AM

Finally Erik Ten Hag packs his bags 🎒, which was long over due!!

You know the second he was only scouting for players from his old camp was mistake number 1 & a recipe for disaster, and all managers should learn from this!!! One Two players is okay but going for over 4 players to join United cemented Manchester united to be just an average club, am hoping Ruud will does a better job in transforming this United side that has even forgotten how to win, worse off how to celebrate 🥳 goals Roll Eyes

GG RVN

The Premier League is in mourning especially the giant clubs Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Aston Villa, they lost Erik Ten Hag and there is no more entertainment every week. It is a shame that he left too soon. Now a new coach is being prepared but with limited time left, can they fix Man United to return to the top 8 at the end of the season?

Ronaldo, Sancho, McTominay, and De Gea are celebrating his departure. Grin

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on October 28, 2024, 07:12:02 AM

Breaking News: Erik ten Hag has been sacked as Manchester United manager. A statement later on Monday confirmed the news, which read:

“Erik ten Hag has left his role as Manchester United men’s first-team manager.

“Erik was appointed in April 2022 and led the club to two domestic trophies, winning the Carabao Cup in 2023 and the FA Cup in 2024.

“We are grateful to Erik for everything he has done during his time with us and wish him well for the future.”

It’s finally happening. I have never been this excited about a person losing his job in my entire life. I had to double check the news on Fabrizio Romano and it looks legitimate. This is the beginning of a fresh start for Manchester United, getting a new manager is a step in the right direction. Next step is to overhaul this team of mediocre players that Erik Ten Hag assembled.

Finally what has been awaited has happened, many are waiting for Erik Ten Hag to be fired because many think Erik Ten Hag is not capable of managing a club as big as Manchester United, the club has given him many opportunities but it seems the club's patience has run out after a series of bad results that befell Man United and in the end they made the right decision, hopefully after this Man United can choose a better coach in terms of experience and achievements, the most important thing is that they are not too hasty when they are looking for a coach, it is better to be a little late but right than to be in a hurry and ultimately make the club's performance even worse, Ten Hag's assistant Ruud van Nistelrooy can be the manager temporarily, until Man United appoints a new manager.

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Quote from: Cityhunter34 on October 28, 2024, 05:07:26 PM

Well I think Chelsea are going to find it difficult to win Manchester united in that game. I know that Manchester united haven't been performing well for quite sometimes now but even as that one thing about Manchester united pattern of playing is that any time they are playing with big teams they normally came out with a surprises to their fans. Even though Erik Ten Hag absent from the game would going to make Manchester united players to bring out their minds and play a normal football against Chelsea. However, I think the game will be in favor of Manchester united or at worst a draw we likely be the outcome of the game.

I also think Manchester United even if they didn’t sack Ten Hag would still not be easily beaten by Chelsea because this is a rivalry match. Manchester United were poor than Chelsea last season and they won at home in the first leg and narrowly lost the second game. This is a huge match that this premier league clubs do not take for granted as they do the other matches, with the new manager coming in we all know the euphoria that comes with it and every player will want a starting spot so they will start playing better.

But regardless Chelsea are in a form that they Haven’t been for like four seasons now with the red Hot Palmer scoring in every match possible, with Manchester United defense not having the best time now I think they will have problems containing him

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Quote from: Woodie on October 28, 2024, 10:11:56 AM

Finally Erik Ten Hag packs his bags 🎒, which was long over due!!

You know the second he was only scouting for players from his old camp was mistake number 1 & a recipe for disaster, and all managers should learn from this!!! One Two players is okay but going for over 4 players to join United cemented Manchester united to be just an average club, am hoping Ruud will does a better job in transforming this United side that has even forgotten how to win, worse off how to celebrate 🥳 goals Roll Eyes

GG RVN

His sack came very late because there was nothing he did not try yet no result. He out to have been sacked a long time ago if not that the management of Manchester United were expecting him to perform a miracle. Now that he has been sacked, let's see if things will turn around for United because they desperately need to take a new direction before they slide into an ordinary team which will not go down well with their numerous supporters.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on October 28, 2024, 03:27:39 PM

There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea

Well I think Chelsea are going to find it difficult to win Manchester united in that game. I know that Manchester united haven't been performing well for quite sometimes now but even as that one thing about Manchester united pattern of playing is that any time they are playing with big teams they normally came out with a surprises to their fans. Even though Erik Ten Hag absent from the game would going to make Manchester united players to bring out their minds and play a normal football against Chelsea. However, I think the game will be in favor of Manchester united or at worst a draw we likely be the outcome of the game.

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Strong win also per Chelsea versus Newcasle, with this pace they can go in Chamspion League next year, if we will have one.
Premier should have 5 spots next year probably.

strong win indeed. Newcastle defense wasn't good enough and Chelsea capitalized on it and played really well against them. The mentality and energy is superb and Jackson is currently giving to the team what was missing in the last season of the Chelsea attack. Currently, his attacking style is even better than that of halland because he has the ability to come back and create a lot of chances for his team mates in the midfield whiles still pushing upfront as a neutral attacker. With this current form, anything is possible and you might see them breaking past Aston Villa into the top 4 before the end of the season but even if they ends up fifth witj this kind of performance and depth of team they've built, it's still a good season for them.

Chelsea has been doing great so far, while everyone talks about top teams, they are only one point behind Arsenal right now, and they are very close to top teams as well. Just because there is Villa right in the middle, doesn't mean Chelsea is doing badly and I believe they are going to keep doing great as well, shouldn't really be a shock to anyone to see such a result.

I believe we are going to end up with a good result one way or another, we just need to make sure everything goes as planned for them. If they keep this up then the yare going to do fine, but if they get any worse then it is going to be a problem for them. So their new problem is consistency, they have proven they can be good for the time being, and that is not bad, if they are good the way they are then they are fine.

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There are 4 most awaited matches this weekend, regardless of the results of each team's matches in the previous week. Arsenal will again be tested for strength by Newcastle, while Liverpool will face Brighton. Chelsea and Manchester United are a fierce match, but Chelsea should be able to win the match when Manchester United is in their worst form. The Tottenham vs Aston Villa match will also be fierce, this is about the matches of the top teams at the moment.

Newcastle vs Arsenal
Liverpool vs Brighton
Tottenham vs Aston Villa
Manchester United vs Chelsea

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Quote from: ajanwalker on October 28, 2024, 02:11:25 PM

It was a late decision for Manchester United and they eventually parted ways with Ten Hag.
It was a long awaited situation. Because the football that Ten Hag played was a football that did not suit the Manchester team at all.
The team must have a quality coach.
My guess is that a coach who used to play for Manu will come.
Giggs came to my mind first. I don't know if it will happen or not.

Hiring a new coach for Manchester United would be something to deal with for the board. They need to appoints someone that fits into the category, someone that's different from the rest of these ex managers, someone that's prominent and have long range visions for the club. Manchester United coach, Erik Ten Hag did deserved sack features, because he has overstayed his welcome in the team. This season have been complicated for the entire team because alot of things have become dormant, nothing seems to be working because Erik Ten Hag strategies didn't work out. He tried his best but it was not just good enough for the club. What was the board thinking? A decision they're supposed to take since and now look at their current position, they're not even in the top positions on the EPL table this season.

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Quote from: ajanwalker on October 28, 2024, 02:11:25 PM

It was a late decision for Manchester United and they eventually parted ways with Ten Hag.
It was a long awaited situation. Because the football that Ten Hag played was a football that did not suit the Manchester team at all.
The team must have a quality coach.
My guess is that a coach who used to play for Manu will come.
Giggs came to my mind first. I don't know if it will happen or not.

Manchester United should have sacked ETH earlier before now but they keep giving him the privilege to improve but yet instead of improving they were still going backwards though i didn't see his sack as a late decision because the season hasn't gone far yet, so this is an opportunity for Manchester united's management to scrutinize any coach that would take over the managerial role from where Ten Hag stopped. Manchester united must learn not to repeat same mistakes again in the future because ETH should have been sacked since last season, but they were just so adamant about his sack which led to some of the challenges the club has faced since the season started.

Giggs would have been a better option but i still find the need for the club to search thoroughly for a coach that would suit the team perfectly so that they will end these issues of Coach deficiency and focus on other things. They have quality players so if they get a good coach that will understand their pattern of play, they will become better.

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Quote from: Woodie on October 28, 2024, 10:11:56 AM

Finally Erik Ten Hag packs his bags 🎒, which was long over due!!

You know the second he was only scouting for players from his old camp was mistake number 1 & a recipe for disaster, and all managers should learn from this!!! One Two players is okay but going for over 4 players to join United cemented Manchester united to be just an average club, am hoping Ruud will does a better job in transforming this United side that has even forgotten how to win, worse off how to celebrate 🥳 goals Roll Eyes

GG RVN

It was a late decision for Manchester United and they eventually parted ways with Ten Hag.
It was a long awaited situation. Because the football that Ten Hag played was a football that did not suit the Manchester team at all.
The team must have a quality coach.
My guess is that a coach who used to play for Manu will come.
Giggs came to my mind first. I don't know if it will happen or not.

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Quote from: Woodie on October 28, 2024, 10:11:56 AM

Finally Erik Ten Hag packs his bags 🎒, which was long over due!!

You know the second he was only scouting for players from his old camp was mistake number 1 & a recipe for disaster, and all managers should learn from this!!! One Two players is okay but going for over 4 players to join United cemented Manchester united to be just an average club, am hoping Ruud will does a better job in transforming this United side that has even forgotten how to win, worse off how to celebrate 🥳 goals Roll Eyes

GG RVN

I think the decision to remove Erik Ten Hag is long overdue and there wasn't anytime better to let him go and I commend the management team for finally agreeing to take this path to ensuring that Manchester United get back to winning ways. We all knew how hard it has been for the Dutch man ever since he came to the club as a manager, but most interestingly it was obvious that the Manchester United management didn't want to part ways with the coach despite his short comings but no matter how hard he tried it seemed as if he wasn't he lacked the requisite knowledge to take the club to where they ought to be, so I think it perfect time to say goodbye.

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Quote from: Raflesia on October 28, 2024, 01:46:58 PM

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Their chances before the presence of the second goal were quite large especially with Arsenal who played more carefully making Liverpool a little inconvenient in making a breakthrough but in the end poor concentration at crucial times made this match have to end with a draw score even though this was actually a decent result for both clubs.

In terms of the situation for Liverpool and Arsenal, this draw is not too favorable for them because after all 3 points are the main target considering Liverpool are still trying to maintain the top of the standings and Arsenal who certainly want to continue to force sticking to 3rd place with a point distance that is not too far away, but on the positive side they still have points for big matches because this will be much better than not getting points at all.

Of course, it is better to win 1 point than none, but that is not the main goal of either of them. Since Arsenal led 2-1, I was only sure they would secure victory at home, but Liverpool actually managed to force them to a draw. Obviously this is about concentration at crucial moments, but this is also proof that Liverpool don't want to lose.

In other matches, Aston Villa failed to maximize their match to win over Bournemouth. Aston Villa and Bournemouth both drew 1-1 which then failed to take Arsenal's position in 3rd place. Even though Aston Villa's match against Bournemouth was played earlier than Arsenal vs Liverpool, Aston Villa deserved to feel disappointed because Arsenal and Liverpool also drew. . Aston Villa and Arsenal both have 18 points, while Chelsea follows from behind with a gap of 1 point.

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Haha it seems I have a friend here because in this case I also feel the same way where Manchester United if they don't lose, they must draw so I never bet for them in matches that are carried out even though they face opponents whose level is below them.

Today was the same, they came with confidence but the results didn't match their expectations even though there was a lot of momentum that could have been converted into goals but they couldn't do it.
What I regret in this case is Dalot's chance that when the goal was very empty but because this is Manchester United even though there is no goalkeeper guarding the players it is still difficult to score goals lol.

I want to keep saying for them to sack Ten Hag but it seems like it's useless because it won't work Cheesy

If they sack the manager and maybe get a better manager who can bring in two to three standard players. Could see things turn around for Manchester United.
Who would have though Chelsea with same players will be fighting for tool 4 this season considering how they ended last season. United needs a manager that will bring out the best in this players and also get rid of the ones that aren’t making impact in the team

It depends on the choice of coach too because after all as I have said everything has its own risks in this case so there will definitely be consequences that they will face later when trying to change the coach or keep Ten Hag.

But if in the end the conditions continue to be the same as this then it will clearly be very worth it for Manchester United to find a new coach rather than forcing Ten Hag to be in the head coach's chair. With results that have not even progressed since the start of the season he is not fit to coach Manchester United at the moment because after all, performance is the most important thing for a club and Ten Hag cannot provide that.

Now, Mancehster United already looks like an ordinary club and not like a big club because it is in 14th place with only 3 wins from 9 EPL matches and a draw from 3 Europa League matches it already shows that Manchester United has lost their winning mentality even the title of a big club with a good era is not visible at this time.

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Quote from: skarais on October 28, 2024, 01:14:42 PM

At some moments, I thought Arsenal could win their home game instead of drawing. However, in reality, Arsenal failed to maximize their home advantage to perform better than Liverpool. In difficult situations, the players have to prove that the club's interests are more important than their own interests, meaning they have to get rid of their egoism.

Liverpool ultimately succeeded in forcing Arsenal to draw 2-2, but this was not at all beneficial for Liverpool. With a heavy heart and full of disappointment, Liverpool had to let Manchester City take the top position this week even though the two were only 1 point apart.

Their chances before the presence of the second goal were quite large especially with Arsenal who played more carefully making Liverpool a little inconvenient in making a breakthrough but in the end poor concentration at crucial times made this match have to end with a draw score even though this was actually a decent result for both clubs.

In terms of the situation for Liverpool and Arsenal, this draw is not too favorable for them because after all 3 points are the main target considering Liverpool are still trying to maintain the top of the standings and Arsenal who certainly want to continue to force sticking to 3rd place with a point distance that is not too far away, but on the positive side they still have points for big matches because this will be much better than not getting points at all.

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I missed the opportunity of playing the match on total goal because it does not really require so much analysis to know that both teams are in their top scoring form. Their previous meetings also support the idea that there would be many goals in the match. I even feel it would have been risky to predict a direct win for either of them because they are both at par in terms of rating so playing them on total goals was the most reasonable thing to do. The odd was even big compared to how minor the risk of playing them on total was. Maybe I will try again next with Arsenal against Ipswich.

And you really think there is going to be a lot of goals in Arsenal and ipswich match? And besides, this is a game that is scheduled to be played on the 27th of December, quite a long time if you ask me, and this gives both team the chances of improving in their skills.
What makes you believe that by the time this game will be played, both clubs will still be in their current form? Most especially ipswich which I believe would have tried are much as possible to improve on their game play to give them the chances of attaining a better position In the league table.

Anyways, away from the above, I wasn't actually expecting alot of goals in that Arsenal Liverpool match, I was expecting Arsenal to win, atleast, for the fact they lost their previous game to Bournemouth, but alas, they failed.

And this reminds me, Bournemouth managed to draw against Aston Villa over the weekend, seems the club is improving by the day.

I won't be surprised if Ipswich somehow manages to get a draw against Arsenal. Arsenal plays horribly defensively when they somehow get the lead. And you know Ipswich has the ability to get inside these tight defenses. But yeah it is really hard to get through players like Rice, Merino, and Partey, as Arteta has turned to the Taliban and he plays haram ball Wink

. He plays so defensively that it's disgusting to watch.

But if Gabriel gets injured, Arsenal has a shaky defense for sure. Because the team seems to be too heavy on having Saliba and Gabriel. Without one of them, they seem to struggle every single time. If Ipswich sets up their chances early and keeps Arsenal under pressure, this might be a flashback of how Arsenal played against Luton last season.

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Quote from: len01 on October 27, 2024, 01:37:19 PM

Quote from: skarais on October 27, 2024, 01:21:21 PM

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And the result was 2-2 the match ended in a draw.
Arsenal if they could maintain their winning score and were not too ambitious to want to score again and chose to defend, it could possibly be Liverpool'
defeat. Unfortunately Arsenal were too ambitious and lost concentration and ended up with a draw.
Such a strategy is very easy for Liverpool to read and it is proven that Arne Slot's team managed to hold the match to a draw to share points.

At some moments, I thought Arsenal could win their home game instead of drawing. However, in reality, Arsenal failed to maximize their home advantage to perform better than Liverpool. In difficult situations, the players have to prove that the club's interests are more important than their own interests, meaning they have to get rid of their egoism.

Liverpool ultimately succeeded in forcing Arsenal to draw 2-2, but this was not at all beneficial for Liverpool. With a heavy heart and full of disappointment, Liverpool had to let Manchester City take the top position this week even though the two were only 1 point apart.

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