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Quote from: hilariousetc on June 05, 2020, 12:40:46 PM

Palace game should be easy enough for them but the other two away probably won't be. They only need to win two games I believe to clinch the title. Will they manage it within the first three?

I'm sure they able to secure 6 points in their first two games since Alisson is fit for the games. In otherwise, City would be in more difficult situation since they have to play against Arsenal, Burnley, and Chelsea before meet Liverpool. Must be hard for Pep to prepare his squad and he might lose some point in those games.

Btw, on Sportsbet the odds on Man City vs Arsenal is @1.36 for City, @7.40 for Arsenal, and @5.20 for draw result. Arsenal is rising indeed under Arteta, but not sure they could win over City. The result might be at least draw or win for City.

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Bring it on, it’s only a matter of time until we’re crowned champions. I’ve been waiting a long time for this, just such a shame I can’t be there to see us lift the trophy. I had a ticket for the Chelsea game which is the last home game when we would have been presented with the trophy.

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Liverpool announced their first three fixtures. Scouse derby the first game back then playing City away in the third game:

Palace game should be easy enough for them but the other two away probably won't be. They only need to win two games I believe to clinch the title. Will they manage it within the first three?

Quote from: tokeweed on June 05, 2020, 11:25:31 AM

^ It's better than nothing. I miss watching grown men run the ball around. Lolol. Grin

Anyway you guys think mext season is will start too? I'm not so hopeful tbh. I think these last few fixtures could the last ones we'll enjoy til next year. IMHO.

Last I read the plan is to start the next season as normal, but I guess things could change once this one is completed. Having an entire season behind closed doors could cause a lot of financial difficulties for clubs, but then again not playing also would. Maybe they'll start to televise more games to make up for lost revenues.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 05, 2020, 05:54:04 AM

The world doesnt revolve around him and he cant be on the top everytime. IMO, the only reason why his strategy is not working out nowadays is because he doesnt really change and adapt like most coach. He keep almost the same thing and all other club would be able to counter it after watching most of his game

Yup, totally agree. I'm just saying that with him it was always about more than just tactics. He went for tough men, experienced fighters, had them in all clubs. Footballers like these are rare nowadays, practically non-existent, so it's one more thing that he misses. Klopp and Guardiola will manage with kids, Mourinho will never be able to.

But yeah, that's a part of not changing and adapting as well. I think he will be a solid part-time solution at Spurs, but he's not the right man for a club that's expecting results on a tight budget.

Quote from: Naida_BR on June 05, 2020, 11:27:12 AM

Just read that Timo Werner is going to sign for Chelsea as the deal is almost done.
This is a great signing for Chelsea as their front line is going to be strengthened. Not to mention that this is a good investment as the player is still young and can stay in the club for a lot of years.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52928359

Saw that, I'm not so sure he'll be a right fit for them. Their striker options are truly horrible, but I think Werner is the opposite of what they need.

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Just read that Timo Werner is going to sign for Chelsea as the deal is almost done.
This is a great signing for Chelsea as their front line is going to be strengthened. Not to mention that this is a good investment as the player is still young and can stay in the club for a lot of years.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52928359

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^ It's better than nothing. I miss watching grown men run the ball around. Lolol. Grin

Anyway you guys think mext season is will start too? I'm not so hopeful tbh. I think these last few fixtures could the last ones we'll enjoy til next year. IMHO.

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Quote from: verita1 on June 04, 2020, 05:22:29 PM

Germany has been an inspiration for the EPL to resume. They have made the right decision and now we have a date for the first matches.

Aston Villa vs. Sheffield United and Manchester City vs. Arsenal (June 17 without fans in attendance.)

Without a doubt, the return of football to the field will make us happy again. We must get used to a new normal until we have a cure for the coronavirus.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/28/football/english-premier-league-return-spt-intl/index.html

Sadly no fans in attendance is what we have to accept atm, it sucks but it’s better than no football at all. I’m not even sure if fans will be able to attend for much of next season. Some of the smaller clubs might go bust with the money from gate receipts.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on June 05, 2020, 02:08:51 AM

When he lost the opportunity to create 11 fighters, he lost a lot of his edge. One thing all his teams had was leaders - everywhere on the pitch. Nowadays that's practically impossible and his rudimental old tactics are exploited.

The world doesnt revolve around him and he cant be on the top everytime. IMO, the only reason why his strategy is not working out nowadays is because he doesnt really change and adapt like most coach. He keep almost the same thing and all other club would be able to counter it after watching most of his game

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Quote from: jayce on June 04, 2020, 10:41:44 PM

Nowadays most of club investors aren't that patient to wait few seasons to get their first title for the team they invest. That's why there are many clubs that still want to hire him no matter the last record and reputation he had in his last team.

Yup, agreed. The problem that these owners do not see is that football has moved past Mourinho and has left him behind.
He was a great reactive coach - a master in playing it boring and waiting for a few good counterattacking opportunities. He even played counterattack with Real in Spain.

Why it worked? He said it the best.

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I had to adapt to a new world. To what young players are now,” he told France Football.
I had to understand the difference between working with a boy like Frank Lampard, who, at the age of 23 was already a man, who thought football, work, professionalism, and the new boys who at the age of 23 are kids.
Today I call them ‘boys’ not ‘men’. Because I think that they are brats and that everything that surrounds them does not help them in their life nor in my work.

When he lost the opportunity to create 11 fighters, he lost a lot of his edge. One thing all his teams had was leaders - everywhere on the pitch. Nowadays that's practically impossible and his rudimental old tactics are exploited.

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Quote from: verita1 on June 04, 2020, 05:22:29 PM

Germany has been an inspiration for the EPL to resume. They have made the right decision and now we have a date for the first matches.

Aston Villa vs. Sheffield United and Manchester City vs. Arsenal (June 17 without fans in attendance.)

Without a doubt, the return of football to the field will make us happy again. We must get used to a new normal until we have a cure for the coronavirus.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/28/football/english-premier-league-return-spt-intl/index.html

@verita1 only few days to go before we see the premier league in action, and of course we all are happy that it’s resuming again, but I do hope that the league manages to put artificial fans noise on tv for us otherwise it’ll be really boring watch the league matches.

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 04, 2020, 03:49:38 PM

when they won CL in 2010, it was such a boring football with Milito ahead, just playing on contra attacks, after that other teams recognized that play style, and do not think that he will won much in the future

I think you feel boring at that time because you aren't Inter fans. Cheesy

Personally, I have no problem with the way of Mourinho's football style. Each coach has their own way to win a match, even they must play contra-attacks. You aren't in his position, so you don't feel the pressure on how to be a coach at a big club. I'm sure you probably do the same way if you are Mourinho. To deal with a club playing ball-possession like Barca, contra-attacks is the right choice.

I only have a little problem with the characteristic of Mourinho. He is typically a person with arrogant and too confident nature. Also, he is not really flexible to rotate the player composition. I remembered he was in Real Madrid, he almost set the same players in all matches. And always Benzema as the striker. It is a too rigid strategy for a modern football.

@kawetsriyanto back then Mourinho was the Special one but he’s lost his way since then, and now he has to rebuild his reputation right from the start at Tottenham or he’ll never be appointed by the big clubs like Real Madrid, PSG etc.

Sources:

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/special-one-smiling-one-a-look-jose-mourinhos-unveilings

https://www.ft.com/content/56acdd82-02d2-11e9-99df-6183d3002ee1

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league-project-restart-fifa-20-fake-crowd-noise-a4455766.html#gsc.tab=0

https://onefootball.com/en/news/why-jose-mourinho-is-already-a-failure-at-tottenham-28847534

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Quote from: DeathAngel on June 04, 2020, 02:29:15 PM

Mourinho is usually only a world beater if he has big transfers funds. He did however do it a different way earlier on in his career at Porto. Maybe he can return to those ways at Spurs and win them some trophies.

If you want to rebuild your house, you must need some money right? So does a football team.

Quote from: cryptofrka on June 04, 2020, 02:43:23 PM

Mourinho is a coach who used to take a maximum out of a team in a first season or 2.

He never built for the long term and he left most of the teams in worse condition when he left than they were when he got there.

He was a great coach, don't get me wrong - but he was never for longevity. His only focus was short-term success no matter the cost.

Nowadays most of club investors aren't that patient to wait few seasons to get their first title for the team they invest. That's why there are many clubs that still want to hire him no matter the last record and reputation he had in his last team.

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 04, 2020, 03:49:38 PM

when they won CL in 2010, it was such a boring football with Milito ahead, just playing on contra attacks, after that other teams recognized that play style, and do not think that he will won much in the future

I think you feel boring at that time because you aren't Inter fans. Cheesy

Personally, I have no problem with the way of Mourinho's football style. Each coach has their own way to win a match, even they must play contra-attacks. You aren't in his position, so you don't feel the pressure on how to be a coach at a big club. I'm sure you probably do the same way if you are Mourinho. To deal with a club playing ball-possession like Barca, contra-attacks is the right choice.

I only have a little problem with the characteristic of Mourinho. He is typically a person with arrogant and too confident nature. Also, he is not really flexible to rotate the player composition. I remembered he was in Real Madrid, he almost set the same players in all matches. And always Benzema as the striker. It is a too rigid strategy for a modern football.

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Germany has been an inspiration for the EPL to resume. They have made the right decision and now we have a date for the first matches.

Aston Villa vs. Sheffield United and Manchester City vs. Arsenal (June 17 without fans in attendance.)

Without a doubt, the return of football to the field will make us happy again. We must get used to a new normal until we have a cure for the coronavirus.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/28/football/english-premier-league-return-spt-intl/index.html

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 04, 2020, 03:49:38 PM

agree, i would add that i do not like his way of couching, could not say that he is not a great coach, but football that he exercise is not football that i like to watch, it is too boring, i remember him at Inter Milan, when they won CL in 2010, it was such a boring football with Milito ahead, just playing on contra attacks, after that other teams recognized that play style, and do not think that he will won much in the future

Jose's style is different and I can even call it unattractive, many football fans love pep Guardiola cause of how he builds his teams around the passing game, playing possession football, dominating the opponent and winning trophies, Mourinho wins trophies, even as many as pep, but he does so with a different style. I remember Mou at Madrid, he changed Madrid into something else, they no longer played like footballers, but warriors Grin

, especially in the El classico and they still lost most of the time.

Spurs sacked poch and employed Mou because the white hart lane faithfuls need to start seeing their team win trophies, and imo there may be no man better for the job than Mou, but I fear his tactics are outdated and he may not be able to achieve the success they want him to.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on June 04, 2020, 02:43:23 PM

Mourinho is a coach who used to take a maximum out of a team in a first season or 2.

He never built for the long term and he left most of the teams in worse condition when he left than they were when he got there.

He was a great coach, don't get me wrong - but he was never for longevity. His only focus was short-term success no matter the cost.

agree, i would add that i do not like his way of couching, could not say that he is not a great coach, but football that he exercise is not football that i like to watch, it is too boring, i remember him at Inter Milan, when they won CL in 2010, it was such a boring football with Milito ahead, just playing on contra attacks, after that other teams recognized that play style, and do not think that he will won much in the future

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Mourinho is a coach who used to take a maximum out of a team in a first season or 2.

He never built for the long term and he left most of the teams in worse condition when he left than they were when he got there.

He was a great coach, don't get me wrong - but he was never for longevity. His only focus was short-term success no matter the cost.

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Mourinho is usually only a world beater if he has big transfers funds. He did however do it a different way earlier on in his career at Porto. Maybe he can return to those ways at Spurs and win them some trophies.

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Quote from: leea-1334 on June 04, 2020, 08:54:41 AM

I was not very confident before the lockdown, as we really struggled when we did not have Kane or Son but with only 9 more games and if we can get them both fit, they alone can propel us to Top 4,,, so I still have belief.

The systemic problem we need more than 1 season to fix. If we have no money next season especially!

Tbh, we have to admit that Mou is the right person to fix a team due to statistic record he has. Remember how he built Chelsea from nothing to one of the best club rn and gave the club the first Premier League title. He also succeeded to take Real Madrid qualified from round of 16 for the first time after failed in several years in a row. When he was in Inter, he gave them the treble winner for the first time in Serie A's team history. After no one couldn't be able to replace Fergie, he came and made Man United got 2nd position for the first time, even managed to win both UEL and EFL Cup.

He is one of the best coaches in term of rebuilding a team. But usually he will lose his touch in next seasons. Hopefully he could give something for Tottenham before losing his midas touch.

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Quote from: hd49728 on June 03, 2020, 09:16:58 PM

Players injured before and after the outbreak of pandemic. Life is never totally fair for all. Anyway, with or without Kane, I don't think Spurs has good power to finish the season in top 4 and reserve a slot for next season of Champions League. Son Heung Min also come back but the probelms of Spurs are not only come from their strikers, but it is a systematic problem. Mourinho has not yet solved it and maybe he need one more season with the summer transfer to fix the team.

I was not very confident before the lockdown, as we really struggled when we did not have Kane or Son but with only 9 more games and if we can get them both fit, they alone can propel us to Top 4,,, so I still have belief.

The systemic problem we need more than 1 season to fix. If we have no money next season especially!

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Quote from: slaman29 on June 04, 2020, 03:20:22 AM

Quote from: AakZaki on June 04, 2020, 12:32:57 AM

The Premier League has launched Project Restart and the competition is scheduled to resume on 17 June.

Having previously conducted COVID-19 tests on staff and players, now in the last test conducted on June 1 and 2, as reported by the official Premier League website, they announced a positive case from 1197 tests.

Of course, that is still a concern for everyone in the UK.

reference: https://www.premierleague.com/news/1670563

Yeah I also read that. Only 1 positive, and this is almost the same as last week when it was 0 tests and only a few in the Championship, which is why they allowed everyone to resume contact training. Also EPL clubs are free to start their friendly selections even before the schedule restarts. I think so far all signs are good.

Many leagues in Europe continue from where they left off. Or they are making preparations to continue. I'm sure everything will go smoothly in the Premier League as well. Frankly, I didn't think these leagues would start again. It is good to know that they will come back, especially in England, Spain and Italy, because the outbreak has far more severe consequences.

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